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Six Core AMD Ryzen Processors Might Still Possible
So we have posted a thing or two already about Ryzen being released as 4 and 8 core processors. AMD will release an 4 and 8-core model with and without hyper-threading.
Info comes from Thai based zolkorn indicated that AMD only can release 4- and 8-core models both with and without hyper-threading. The explanations is as follows, the Ryzen processors are build out of partitions that each have 4 physical cores in one module. Traditionally they had a dual-core setup so an 8-core version had four of these which could be activated and disabled per module.
New information now has been posted at io-tech.fi from our good buddy Sampsa. He claims to have confirmed from an extremely reliable source that AMD's Ryzen CPU can be configured as 6-core model.
We have confirmed from our sources that AMD’s upcoming Ryzen processor can be technically configured as 6-core model. It is possible to disable each CPU core separately together with dedicated L2 cache from CCX without affecting shared L3 cache.
Possible L3 cache configurations are 1/1 (8 MB), 1/2 (4 MB) or completely disabled. Basic rule is that both CCXs should have similar CPU core and L3 configuration for example both should have 3 cores and full 8 MB L3 cache enabled (6C & 16 MB L3). We believe AMD will launch 6-core model of Ryzen CPU. If they don’t, it will be due other reasons than technical limitation of CCX.
One thing is certain though, we'll see four and eight core models with SKU differences in HT, clock frequencies and TDPs at launch. Then four core mainstream and higher specced parts will get unlocked multipliers. And sure, perhaps we'll see a six-core / 12-treaded part in there as well.
At the end of this month more info should become available with a launch in early March.
New Six core and fast quad core Phenom II CPUs soon - 08/13/2010 07:03 AM
The colleagues over at X-bit Labs report that AMD will introduce a couple of new processors on September 21st, 2010. This includes a new six-core chip clocked at 3.0GHz and also a muliplier unlocked
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Six Core Phenom II X6 clock speeds unveiled - 03/18/2010 10:59 AM
The web is serving some more info info about the clockspeeds of AMD's upcoming six-core Phenom II X6 "Thuban" processors. Apparently a couple of
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#5387783 Posted on: 02/02/2017 12:10 PM
Good news, that will allow for robust product pricing.
Good news, that will allow for robust product pricing.
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#5387794 Posted on: 02/02/2017 12:53 PM
6C/12T and 8C/8T will be too close with eachothers performance to make them priced differently (if they both come out). If SMT gain is under 33% 8C/8T will be faster, and if it will over 33% 6C/12T will be faster. So basicly most games will have 8C/8T faster, but other applications like blender where SMT gain is close to 50% 6C/12T will be faster.
Kinda makes it hard for pricing and marketing, which one is actually the faster one?
6C/12T and 8C/8T will be too close with eachothers performance to make them priced differently (if they both come out). If SMT gain is under 33% 8C/8T will be faster, and if it will over 33% 6C/12T will be faster. So basicly most games will have 8C/8T faster, but other applications like blender where SMT gain is close to 50% 6C/12T will be faster.
Kinda makes it hard for pricing and marketing, which one is actually the faster one?
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#5387797 Posted on: 02/02/2017 01:02 PM
6C/12T and 8C/8T will be too close with eachothers performance to make them priced differently (if they both come out). If SMT gain is under 33% 8C/8T will be faster, and if it will over 33% 6C/12T will be faster. So basicly most games will have 8C/8T faster, but other applications like blender where SMT gain is close to 50% 6C/12T will be faster.
Kinda makes it hard for pricing and marketing, which one is actually the faster one?
Yes it will be a little bit complicate, anyway in case to case. But theres another factor it seems for the differentiation to take in account... Clock speed.
Actually other site report 3.7ghz for the 6cores, and 4ghz+ for the 8cores ( 16thread ).
The 6cores have a codename “ZD3301BBM6IF4_37/33_Y" ( 6 = cores, 37/33 = turbo / base clock )
6C/12T and 8C/8T will be too close with eachothers performance to make them priced differently (if they both come out). If SMT gain is under 33% 8C/8T will be faster, and if it will over 33% 6C/12T will be faster. So basicly most games will have 8C/8T faster, but other applications like blender where SMT gain is close to 50% 6C/12T will be faster.
Kinda makes it hard for pricing and marketing, which one is actually the faster one?
Yes it will be a little bit complicate, anyway in case to case. But theres another factor it seems for the differentiation to take in account... Clock speed.
Actually other site report 3.7ghz for the 6cores, and 4ghz+ for the 8cores ( 16thread ).
The 6cores have a codename “ZD3301BBM6IF4_37/33_Y" ( 6 = cores, 37/33 = turbo / base clock )
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#5387805 Posted on: 02/02/2017 01:35 PM
6C/12T and 8C/8T will be too close with eachothers performance to make them priced differently (if they both come out). If SMT gain is under 33% 8C/8T will be faster, and if it will over 33% 6C/12T will be faster. So basicly most games will have 8C/8T faster, but other applications like blender where SMT gain is close to 50% 6C/12T will be faster.
Kinda makes it hard for pricing and marketing, which one is actually the faster one?
At first thought I was thinking the same thing, however now I actually believe the 6core part would actually make marketing easier. Having more and different modes (unlike intel with basically 3 models) makes it easier, 4c4t < 4c8t < 6c6t < 6c8t < 8c8t < 8c16t, and if they make the price of the 4c4t slightly lower than the i3s and then the price of the 8c16t slightly higher than the i7 then this would mean starting from 120$ and reaching 400$ then this would allow them to have a different product within 50$ of the next. Now add in slightly higher clocked and different binned so that you have either 2 or 3 of each of the mentioned models above and then you have a full range of CPUs from 100-400$ each within 20$. Basically you'd cover the whole market.
6C/12T and 8C/8T will be too close with eachothers performance to make them priced differently (if they both come out). If SMT gain is under 33% 8C/8T will be faster, and if it will over 33% 6C/12T will be faster. So basicly most games will have 8C/8T faster, but other applications like blender where SMT gain is close to 50% 6C/12T will be faster.
Kinda makes it hard for pricing and marketing, which one is actually the faster one?
At first thought I was thinking the same thing, however now I actually believe the 6core part would actually make marketing easier. Having more and different modes (unlike intel with basically 3 models) makes it easier, 4c4t < 4c8t < 6c6t < 6c8t < 8c8t < 8c16t, and if they make the price of the 4c4t slightly lower than the i3s and then the price of the 8c16t slightly higher than the i7 then this would mean starting from 120$ and reaching 400$ then this would allow them to have a different product within 50$ of the next. Now add in slightly higher clocked and different binned so that you have either 2 or 3 of each of the mentioned models above and then you have a full range of CPUs from 100-400$ each within 20$. Basically you'd cover the whole market.
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#5387821 Posted on: 02/02/2017 02:37 PM
6/12 could be a potential contender against intel if the $ is right.I am interested in that and the 8/16 Just waiting on prices and some Benchmarks from actuall users. This is good news.
6/12 could be a potential contender against intel if the $ is right.I am interested in that and the 8/16 Just waiting on prices and some Benchmarks from actuall users. This is good news.
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#5387828 Posted on: 02/02/2017 03:04 PM
6C/12T and 8C/8T will be too close with eachothers performance to make them priced differently (if they both come out). If SMT gain is under 33% 8C/8T will be faster, and if it will over 33% 6C/12T will be faster. So basicly most games will have 8C/8T faster, but other applications like blender where SMT gain is close to 50% 6C/12T will be faster.
Kinda makes it hard for pricing and marketing, which one is actually the faster one?
This isn't Intel, and it isn't literally Hyper Threading. From what I heard, what AMD is doing is a different approach. Don't forget, even the "8-core" FX CPUs were actually 4c/8t. The only difference is the additional 4 threads were still based on physical hardware and truly worked in parallel, whereas Intel's HT basically "re-uses" the same hardware and worked in serial.
Regardless, even if this was Intel we were talking about and what you said were true, then why does Intel have Xeon chips that are 6c/12t and 8c/8t?
Anyway, I'm not surprised about the release of 6-core chips. Just as I said in the other article, it would be an economically horrible choice to only do 4 and 8 core models, when you consider the inevitable errors in the manufacturing process.
6C/12T and 8C/8T will be too close with eachothers performance to make them priced differently (if they both come out). If SMT gain is under 33% 8C/8T will be faster, and if it will over 33% 6C/12T will be faster. So basicly most games will have 8C/8T faster, but other applications like blender where SMT gain is close to 50% 6C/12T will be faster.
Kinda makes it hard for pricing and marketing, which one is actually the faster one?
This isn't Intel, and it isn't literally Hyper Threading. From what I heard, what AMD is doing is a different approach. Don't forget, even the "8-core" FX CPUs were actually 4c/8t. The only difference is the additional 4 threads were still based on physical hardware and truly worked in parallel, whereas Intel's HT basically "re-uses" the same hardware and worked in serial.
Regardless, even if this was Intel we were talking about and what you said were true, then why does Intel have Xeon chips that are 6c/12t and 8c/8t?
Anyway, I'm not surprised about the release of 6-core chips. Just as I said in the other article, it would be an economically horrible choice to only do 4 and 8 core models, when you consider the inevitable errors in the manufacturing process.
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#5387831 Posted on: 02/02/2017 03:09 PM
I somehow can't see AMD disabling HT or any other processor feature.
I somehow can't see AMD disabling HT or any other processor feature.
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#5387962 Posted on: 02/02/2017 07:15 PM
we are almost sure that amd will release 8c/16c 8c/8t 4c/4t 4c/8t .... a cpu 6c/12t would be really close to the performance of 8c/8t no ? on a multi-thread applications that is ... and the 6c/6t would be a bit over 4c/4t no ?
we are almost sure that amd will release 8c/16c 8c/8t 4c/4t 4c/8t .... a cpu 6c/12t would be really close to the performance of 8c/8t no ? on a multi-thread applications that is ... and the 6c/6t would be a bit over 4c/4t no ?
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#5387979 Posted on: 02/02/2017 07:47 PM
Yeah, for AMD (or any manufacturer) a situation of a "with just a bit more money you can get a better model" is the best. If the steps are too big, more people will simply go for the lower/cheaper model because the budgets of normal people aren't infinite (no matter what Intel believes).
Anyway, I'm not surprised about the release of 6-core chips. Just as I said in the other article, it would be an economically horrible choice to only do 4 and 8 core models, when you consider the inevitable errors in the manufacturing process.
Yeah, for AMD (or any manufacturer) a situation of a "with just a bit more money you can get a better model" is the best. If the steps are too big, more people will simply go for the lower/cheaper model because the budgets of normal people aren't infinite (no matter what Intel believes).
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#5388158 Posted on: 02/03/2017 06:07 AM
Hope these rumors are true but regardless i'm really excited to see more news about these chips, everyone has been waiting!!!!
Hope these rumors are true but regardless i'm really excited to see more news about these chips, everyone has been waiting!!!!
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#5388160 Posted on: 02/03/2017 06:25 AM
This isn't Intel, and it isn't literally Hyper Threading. From what I heard, what AMD is doing is a different approach. Don't forget, even the "8-core" FX CPUs were actually 4c/8t. The only difference is the additional 4 threads were still based on physical hardware and truly worked in parallel, whereas Intel's HT basically "re-uses" the same hardware and worked in serial.
Regardless, even if this was Intel we were talking about and what you said were true, then
Anyway, I'm not surprised about the release of 6-core chips. Just as I said in the other article, it would be an economically horrible choice to only do 4 and 8 core models, when you consider the inevitable errors in the manufacturing process.
I'd say, assuming your question is rhetorical,
that suitability would depend upon how efficiently HT utilized. There are use examples were an 8/8 is more efficient than using 6/12HT.
This isn't Intel, and it isn't literally Hyper Threading. From what I heard, what AMD is doing is a different approach. Don't forget, even the "8-core" FX CPUs were actually 4c/8t. The only difference is the additional 4 threads were still based on physical hardware and truly worked in parallel, whereas Intel's HT basically "re-uses" the same hardware and worked in serial.
Regardless, even if this was Intel we were talking about and what you said were true, then
why does Intel have Xeon chips that are 6c/12t and 8c/8t?
Anyway, I'm not surprised about the release of 6-core chips. Just as I said in the other article, it would be an economically horrible choice to only do 4 and 8 core models, when you consider the inevitable errors in the manufacturing process.
I'd say, assuming your question is rhetorical,
that suitability would depend upon how efficiently HT utilized. There are use examples were an 8/8 is more efficient than using 6/12HT.
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#5388177 Posted on: 02/03/2017 08:32 AM
I think that 4/4 (cheapest)-> 4/8 (still cheap, hopefully) -> 6/12 (midrange) -> 8/16 (beast) would make sense.
Personally what I'm really really looking for is for low powered APUs so that I can upgrade my aging slow as a turtle AMD E-450
Sadly I'm probably gonna have to wait until Christmas or something like that, because I'm sure that the first APUs to come out are going to be the desktop ones, or mid to high powered laptop ones.
I somehow can't see AMD disabling HT or any other processor feature.
I think that 4/4 (cheapest)-> 4/8 (still cheap, hopefully) -> 6/12 (midrange) -> 8/16 (beast) would make sense.
Personally what I'm really really looking for is for low powered APUs so that I can upgrade my aging slow as a turtle AMD E-450
Sadly I'm probably gonna have to wait until Christmas or something like that, because I'm sure that the first APUs to come out are going to be the desktop ones, or mid to high powered laptop ones.
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#5388461 Posted on: 02/03/2017 10:19 PM
Well looks like that early chart was spot on..
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu-mainboard/amd-s-ryzen-cpu-lineup-has-been-leaked/1
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Well looks like that early chart was spot on..
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu-mainboard/amd-s-ryzen-cpu-lineup-has-been-leaked/1
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#5388512 Posted on: 02/04/2017 12:45 AM
Chart is weird, 6800k is much faster than 7700k an extra couple hundred mhz makes it comparable to 6900k?
Chart is weird, 6800k is much faster than 7700k an extra couple hundred mhz makes it comparable to 6900k?
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Maybe the 6-core can be pencil modded into an 8-core...