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Single-core performance of Intel's Sunny Cove chips Surface - Shows Big IPC Increase
Funny how these slides always seem to leak right after a competitor announcement ;) Anyhow, we're talking about Intel's new Sunny Cove architecture, which is still out for quite a while. Mind you that Sunny Cove is a four-core series proc baked at 10nm. Intel already made claims that it IPC improvements would be 18% and even 40% in some workloads.
That comparison is against Skylake by the way. Also, that info, however, is from Intel themselves, and in my lifetime I've seen manY official intel figures, and let's call them 'not always accurate'.
However now a list of single-core benchmarks (CPU-Z) has appeared on a Chinese forum for some Sunny Cove and Ryzen 3000 chips. Given that a Ryzen 2700X achieves a score of 488, we can state that (as far as these benchmarks are real) Ryzen 3000 does indeed entail serious IPC improvements. Intel is also doing very well because the benchmark shows that an i7 9700K achieves comparable results with one of the Sunny Cove chips at just 3.7 GHz. We are already adding our salt, but if it is true these figures are impressive.
You need to wonder though, how would an Asia website with an unknown forum member get access to unreleased processors from both sides with, apparently, full support of the procs in CPU-Z?
Salt, grain, lots of it.
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#5681441 Posted on: 06/17/2019 09:26 AM
Any shrink provides efficiency and performance gains. Intel has achieved a lot with their 14nm process, and I'm certain that 10nm and 7nm will provide great increases.
However, the main question here is - WHEN and at what price.
Any shrink provides efficiency and performance gains. Intel has achieved a lot with their 14nm process, and I'm certain that 10nm and 7nm will provide great increases.
However, the main question here is - WHEN and at what price.
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#5681442 Posted on: 06/17/2019 09:30 AM
Intel must show something to slow down the zen2 hype. Release date and pricing unknown. Hah, most of us will already rock a ryzen cpus until these see the light of day.
Intel must show something to slow down the zen2 hype. Release date and pricing unknown. Hah, most of us will already rock a ryzen cpus until these see the light of day.
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#5681443 Posted on: 06/17/2019 09:34 AM
When was the last time Intels pre-release performance didn't match up with the final product? They have a far better record than AMD in this department, yet I can't recall you ever adding a disclaimer to news about their performance numbers. Come to think of it, i also don't recall you making product announcement articles from nV or Intel pinned at the top of the forum either. At least try and show a little objectivity
That comparison is against Skylake by the way. Also, that info, however, is from Intel themselves, and in my lifetime I've seen manY official intel figures, and let's call them 'not always accurate'.
When was the last time Intels pre-release performance didn't match up with the final product? They have a far better record than AMD in this department, yet I can't recall you ever adding a disclaimer to news about their performance numbers. Come to think of it, i also don't recall you making product announcement articles from nV or Intel pinned at the top of the forum either. At least try and show a little objectivity
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#5681444 Posted on: 06/17/2019 09:35 AM
While Hilbert already pointed out the need for salt it's probably important to drive home just how much is needed;
CPU-Z isn't a reliable benchmark. Even if these numbers ended up being correct it may not amount to anything.
At face value this puts Sunny Cove at a 44% higher IPC, compared to Coffe Lake refresh. That's not just similar to AMDs uplift going from Bulldozer to Zen, it's directly contradicting Intel's own (likely optimistic) claims.
I have no doubt Intel will have an answer to Zen 2 but I doubt it'll be as early as next year, and frankly I'd be very surprised to see another 40+% IPC uplift over a single generation on either x86 architecture. Aside from very narrow applications obviously, like another doubling of AVX throughput or dedicated instructions for en/decoding etc.
While Hilbert already pointed out the need for salt it's probably important to drive home just how much is needed;
CPU-Z isn't a reliable benchmark. Even if these numbers ended up being correct it may not amount to anything.
At face value this puts Sunny Cove at a 44% higher IPC, compared to Coffe Lake refresh. That's not just similar to AMDs uplift going from Bulldozer to Zen, it's directly contradicting Intel's own (likely optimistic) claims.
I have no doubt Intel will have an answer to Zen 2 but I doubt it'll be as early as next year, and frankly I'd be very surprised to see another 40+% IPC uplift over a single generation on either x86 architecture. Aside from very narrow applications obviously, like another doubling of AVX throughput or dedicated instructions for en/decoding etc.
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I have no doubt in my mind that Intel will hit back hard when they are leaving the 14nm node soon.
I don't need anything tho. I have Ryzen 1700 @ 3 (underclocked and undervolted) in my server and 9900K @ 5.2 in my gaming rig. I would be surprised if Zen 2 is going to match 9900K - or even 8700K - in gaming anyway, especially CPU bound aka high fps gaming. Would be fun tho. I like competition.
Would be nice to see some competition in the GPU space now. Nvidia is dominating. Especially outside of low to mid-end market.
RTX 2060 "Super" and 2070 "Super" countered Navi 5700 and 5700 XT before they even released... Imagine if Nvidia really wanted to destroy AMD and put out 7nm now, instead of Turing refresh at 12nm again.
I need Ampere 7nm EUV before I buy anything.
I love your mindshare. Vaporware counters unreleased product.
One likely does not exist and you know very little, borderline nothing about other.
And then people are surprised that AMD does not play way they want them to.