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Shortage Intel Processor on the Rise - Price Hike Expected
We've talked a number of times already about the fact that the demand for processors is high and that Intel does not have enough production capacity, especially on the 14nm node. This creates an unbalance in the market, driving prices up.
It seems to be happening again as shortages of Intel processors are rising again. DigiTimes mentions it in a news article. The forecast is that the new high on shortage will be in the second quarter. A side note is that the impact this round will be bigger as it is expected due to an increasing demand for Chromebooks and light laptops. So the Core i5s was the worst available last year, according to DigiTimes, there would now be a shift to cheaper chips. The Core i3.
Digitimes Research expects Intel CPUs' supply gap to shrink to 2-3% in the first quarter with Core i3 taking over Core i5 as the series hit hardest by shortages. In the first quarter of 2019, the Core i5 processors featuring Coffee Lake architecture are now having the worst supply shortfall. Some of the demand for Intel's entry-level Atom processors has turned to AMD, while some others have opted for Core i3 processors. The rising demand for Core i3 processors has also started creating tight supply in the market. With demand for Chromebooks to pick up and brand vendors to begin mass shipping their new models all using processors that are in tight supply, Intel CPUs' supply gap is expected to grow 1-2pp sequentially in the second quarter of 2019, with the overall shipments unlikely to see much growth. Intel is expected to have new 14nm capacity join production in the second half of 2019. Intel's existing 14nm fabs are mainly located in the US and Ireland and the newly expanded capacity in Arizona, the US is expected to begin volume production in July or August, to boost Intel's overall 14nm capacity by 25% and completely resolve the shortage problem. Although Intel has announced its 10nm Ice Lake will begin mass production in the second half of 2019, Digitimes Research's sources from the upstream supply chain has revealed that there are still many issues with the CPU giant's mass production schedule for 10nm process.
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#5649004 Posted on: 03/12/2019 06:42 PM
I prefer the M.2 form factor - much smaller and no cables. There's an awful lot of wasted space inside a typical SATA SSD and managing the SATA and power cables are always a headache (if you care about good cable management
).
regular sata SSD is as fast for "everyday use" as is m.2 SSD. Cooler too! I'd go as far to say that m.2 SSD is useless in most scenarios.
I prefer the M.2 form factor - much smaller and no cables. There's an awful lot of wasted space inside a typical SATA SSD and managing the SATA and power cables are always a headache (if you care about good cable management
).
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#5649005 Posted on: 03/12/2019 06:44 PM
Name one.
edit: why does AMD now include game mode for threadrippers as an option that disables threads if having more threads/cores is THE way to go?
In gaming. In everyday use other than gaming, FX6xxx is good enough so explain it to me, why do I need Ryzen (or new intel) to do browsing and watching netflix or whatever the hell is "your" definition of "everyday use" ?
Game mode exists simply because most game engines choke, sputter, and even die when faced with more than eight cores in the host cpu. There's your answer...
Name one.
edit: why does AMD now include game mode for threadrippers as an option that disables threads if having more threads/cores is THE way to go?
In gaming. In everyday use other than gaming, FX6xxx is good enough so explain it to me, why do I need Ryzen (or new intel) to do browsing and watching netflix or whatever the hell is "your" definition of "everyday use" ?
Game mode exists simply because most game engines choke, sputter, and even die when faced with more than eight cores in the host cpu. There's your answer...
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#5649011 Posted on: 03/12/2019 06:53 PM
I think you should quite your BS
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Intel has was notified of the problem on December 1st. According to the researchers, a solution via a software update is virtually impossible and can only be remedied with an adjustment in architecture. If this is done, it will undoubtedly lead to lower performance. Whether there is a solution is very doubtful.
Arm and AMD processors are not vulnerable to this attack.
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Taken from https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-procs-again-hit-by-massive-vulnerability-called-spoler.html
Thats nice. They found a flaw on Intel, and then figured, hey, lets test it on AMD, and it didn't work. This means nothing, because they started researching with Intel in the first place. If they started with AMD, they might find flaws that exist on AMD CPUs that Intel isn't susceptible to.
I think you should quite your BS
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Intel has was notified of the problem on December 1st. According to the researchers, a solution via a software update is virtually impossible and can only be remedied with an adjustment in architecture. If this is done, it will undoubtedly lead to lower performance. Whether there is a solution is very doubtful.
Arm and AMD processors are not vulnerable to this attack.
"
Taken from https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-procs-again-hit-by-massive-vulnerability-called-spoler.html
Thats nice. They found a flaw on Intel, and then figured, hey, lets test it on AMD, and it didn't work. This means nothing, because they started researching with Intel in the first place. If they started with AMD, they might find flaws that exist on AMD CPUs that Intel isn't susceptible to.
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#5649012 Posted on: 03/12/2019 06:53 PM
Name one.
edit: why does AMD now include game mode for threadrippers as an option that disables threads if having more threads/cores is THE way to go?
In gaming. In everyday use other than gaming, FX6xxx is good enough so explain it to me, why do I need Ryzen (or new intel) to do browsing and watching netflix or whatever the hell is "your" definition of "everyday use" ?
AC odyssey, Hitman2, COD Black Ops 4,Anthem and Battlefield 5 Multiplayer all struggle with 4 cores, having stutter issues and maxing out at 100%.
Name one.
edit: why does AMD now include game mode for threadrippers as an option that disables threads if having more threads/cores is THE way to go?
In gaming. In everyday use other than gaming, FX6xxx is good enough so explain it to me, why do I need Ryzen (or new intel) to do browsing and watching netflix or whatever the hell is "your" definition of "everyday use" ?
AC odyssey, Hitman2, COD Black Ops 4,Anthem and Battlefield 5 Multiplayer all struggle with 4 cores, having stutter issues and maxing out at 100%.
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#5649013 Posted on: 03/12/2019 06:56 PM
Look at it this way: If I'm a security researcher (or a hacker) with limited time and money, and I have to pick something to target, what am I going to pick? 90% of the desktop/server market, or 10%? That answer should be obvious.
AMD CPUs are facing far less scrutiny due to their significantly smaller marketshare, thus less issues are discovered. Less researchers looking at it usually means less things are discovered.
These vulnerabilities have absolutely nothing to do with marketshare--they are not software viruses, etc. They have everything to do with processor design. The Intel architectures are generally much older than the new AMD architectures--hence the much greater number of vulnerabilities.
Look at it this way: If I'm a security researcher (or a hacker) with limited time and money, and I have to pick something to target, what am I going to pick? 90% of the desktop/server market, or 10%? That answer should be obvious.
AMD CPUs are facing far less scrutiny due to their significantly smaller marketshare, thus less issues are discovered. Less researchers looking at it usually means less things are discovered.
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#5649014 Posted on: 03/12/2019 06:58 PM
single thread performance isnt as relevant anymore as it use too be atlest not for new games, I passed up more cores for better stp simply for 1 game which was Swtor, which i no longer play, those extra cores would be of much more use to me then that single thread performance, and STP on AMD is no where near as lacking as it once was, last I looked most new Ryzen cpu ater 2000+ stp now https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
Yes Intel STP still destroys AMD STP, but is it really worth it to trade that multi-core performance for single these days? for me that answer is no special when MTP to price AMD wins, Then again AMD has always prioritizes MTP over STP even before Intel did which untill recently was why I stayed with Intel and was willing to pay more, but going forward its gona be more core over STP, unless the industy goes back in time and starts to ignore cores in there programs again
single thread performance isnt as relevant anymore as it use too be atlest not for new games, I passed up more cores for better stp simply for 1 game which was Swtor, which i no longer play, those extra cores would be of much more use to me then that single thread performance, and STP on AMD is no where near as lacking as it once was, last I looked most new Ryzen cpu ater 2000+ stp now https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
Yes Intel STP still destroys AMD STP, but is it really worth it to trade that multi-core performance for single these days? for me that answer is no special when MTP to price AMD wins, Then again AMD has always prioritizes MTP over STP even before Intel did which untill recently was why I stayed with Intel and was willing to pay more, but going forward its gona be more core over STP, unless the industy goes back in time and starts to ignore cores in there programs again
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#5649015 Posted on: 03/12/2019 07:03 PM
They are maxing out even 4c8t cpu's. I would say 6c12t cpu is a sweet spot today even if you have only gaming in mind.
AC odyssey, Hitman2, COD Black Ops 4,Anthem and Battlefield 5 Multiplayer all struggle with 4 cores, having stutter issues and maxing out at 100%.
They are maxing out even 4c8t cpu's. I would say 6c12t cpu is a sweet spot today even if you have only gaming in mind.
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#5649020 Posted on: 03/12/2019 07:11 PM
Well it highly depends on what games you play & what is the rest of your system.... a 4 core processor is enough for a GTX 1050Ti simply because u're going to get bottlenecked by it way before the cpu.
but going for a 120$ 4 core CPU when you can get a 12 thread part for 150$ is lunacy and the single threaded boost is better on the 2600 over the 8100...
They are maxing out even 4c8t cpu's. I would say 6c12t cpu is a sweet spot today even if you have only gaming in mind.
Well it highly depends on what games you play & what is the rest of your system.... a 4 core processor is enough for a GTX 1050Ti simply because u're going to get bottlenecked by it way before the cpu.
but going for a 120$ 4 core CPU when you can get a 12 thread part for 150$ is lunacy and the single threaded boost is better on the 2600 over the 8100...
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#5649022 Posted on: 03/12/2019 07:19 PM
In addition to what @HardwareCaps said, if you lock your frame rate to 60FPS, a 4c/8t CPU with a decent overclock will be plenty sufficient for nearly all games out there.
Manage your background processes well and there shouldn't be a bottleneck in such a scenario.
They are maxing out even 4c8t cpu's. I would say 6c12t cpu is a sweet spot today even if you have only gaming in mind.
In addition to what @HardwareCaps said, if you lock your frame rate to 60FPS, a 4c/8t CPU with a decent overclock will be plenty sufficient for nearly all games out there.
Manage your background processes well and there shouldn't be a bottleneck in such a scenario.
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#5649043 Posted on: 03/12/2019 08:00 PM
Look at it this way: If I'm a security researcher (or a hacker) with limited time and money, and I have to pick something to target, what am I going to pick? 90% of the desktop/server market, or 10%? That answer should be obvious.
AMD CPUs are facing far less scrutiny due to their significantly smaller marketshare, thus less issues are discovered. Less researchers looking at it usually means less things are discovered.
These researchers aren't looking at a particular CPU, they're looking at features that most modern CPUs have (e.g., speculative execution). The difference comes down to how these processors implement these features, and it's been found that Intel CPUs tend to do things in ways that are less secure compared to the competition.
Also, as @craycray already mentioned, ARM CPUs are by far the most popular type of CPU. By your own reasoning, they would target ARM, not Intel.
Look at it this way: If I'm a security researcher (or a hacker) with limited time and money, and I have to pick something to target, what am I going to pick? 90% of the desktop/server market, or 10%? That answer should be obvious.
AMD CPUs are facing far less scrutiny due to their significantly smaller marketshare, thus less issues are discovered. Less researchers looking at it usually means less things are discovered.
These researchers aren't looking at a particular CPU, they're looking at features that most modern CPUs have (e.g., speculative execution). The difference comes down to how these processors implement these features, and it's been found that Intel CPUs tend to do things in ways that are less secure compared to the competition.
Also, as @craycray already mentioned, ARM CPUs are by far the most popular type of CPU. By your own reasoning, they would target ARM, not Intel.
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#5649048 Posted on: 03/12/2019 08:10 PM
True, but more importantly: "Not everybody buys intel's -K chips."
On that note, most of those chips sold are likely locked and ST performance difference is quite small.
Not everybody buys CPUs for multi thread performance.
True, but more importantly: "Not everybody buys intel's -K chips."
On that note, most of those chips sold are likely locked and ST performance difference is quite small.
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#5649051 Posted on: 03/12/2019 08:14 PM
slower though
1. 10% difference for 50-100% more price?
2. 99,9% of the gamers who use a high end GPU do not use them on 1080p resolution, but 1440p or 4K. On 1440p, difference converges to 0, on 4K it is zero.
slower though
1. 10% difference for 50-100% more price?
2. 99,9% of the gamers who use a high end GPU do not use them on 1080p resolution, but 1440p or 4K. On 1440p, difference converges to 0, on 4K it is zero.
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#5649056 Posted on: 03/12/2019 08:24 PM
Really? Even when most games today make use of at least four cores? Hmmmm....
True, but more importantly: "Not everybody buys intel's -K chips."
On that note, most of those chips sold are likely locked and ST performance difference is quite small.
Both of you are right. I merely played the devil's advocate here, as emotionless as possible, mentioning there's people out there who want to buy something else.
I personally am waiting for Ryzen 3xxx CPUs.
Really? Even when most games today make use of at least four cores? Hmmmm....
True, but more importantly: "Not everybody buys intel's -K chips."
On that note, most of those chips sold are likely locked and ST performance difference is quite small.
Both of you are right. I merely played the devil's advocate here, as emotionless as possible, mentioning there's people out there who want to buy something else.
I personally am waiting for Ryzen 3xxx CPUs.
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#5649084 Posted on: 03/12/2019 09:00 PM
1. 10% difference for 50-100% more price?
2. 99,9% of the gamers who use a high end GPU do not use them on 1080p resolution, but 1440p or 4K. On 1440p, difference converges to 0, on 4K it is zero.
the resolution argument is pointless, please stop using it...
1. 10% difference for 50-100% more price?
2. 99,9% of the gamers who use a high end GPU do not use them on 1080p resolution, but 1440p or 4K. On 1440p, difference converges to 0, on 4K it is zero.
the resolution argument is pointless, please stop using it...
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You're just being naive, though. Intel gets hit by all these security holes, because they have a 90% market share or thereabouts. So any security research is done against Intel, since thats by far the largest group of systems that would be affected.
If the same amount of research would be focused against AMD, they would find things as well. The current class of attacks is very unpredictable, as side-channel and timing attacks are not something people even thought about when these CPUs were originally developed years and years ago.
AMD is not inherently more secure. They just don't get analyzed the same amount, not even close. If the market share should suddenly tilt, then the entire picture may also change.
These vulnerabilities have absolutely nothing to do with marketshare--they are not software viruses, etc. They have everything to do with processor design. The Intel architectures are generally much older than the new AMD architectures--hence the much greater number of vulnerabilities.