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Sharp Shows 27-inch 8K 120Hz HDR IGZO monitor
Over at CEATEC (Japanese technology show) Sharp shows something rather special, a 27-inch with an 8K resolution at 120Hz HDR IGZO monitor. It is an incredible achievement PPI wise to get that many pixels on such a small screen.
The IGZO based display offers a pixel density of 326 PPI, next to that it is HDR compatible and offers 1000 nits in brightness. 8K120 with HDR is 7680x4320 at 10 bits per color channel, at 120 times a second you'd need 120 gigabits per second of bandwidth at a minimum (~ 15 GB/sec). As the photo shows to be able to drive such a high bandwidth, the monitor needs eight DP connections. Each DP connection would offer 32 Gb/s (if DP 1.4).
IGZO is a type of transistor used in a display's TFT backplane, which is what controls the display panel (whether that panel is TN, IPS, or even OLED). It uses Indium-Gallium-Zinc-Oxide as a semiconductor instead of Silicon. IGZO just means some power savings especially on mobile devices with ultra-dense displays. There is no difference in image quality, accuracy, or what have you, between aSi-TFT-driven IPS displays and IGZO-TFT-driven IPS displays. The monitor on display obviously is a prototype to showcase IGZO technology from Sharp.
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#5342208 Posted on: 10/06/2016 08:23 AM
I'm throwing money at the screen but nothing's happening! SO. MUCH. WANT.
Mind you, GPU power isn't there yet for 8K. Hell, even the mighty 12GB of a Titan quickly gets overloaded at that resolution in my experience.
Any idea when this will actually become available to us mere mortals?
I'm throwing money at the screen but nothing's happening! SO. MUCH. WANT.
Mind you, GPU power isn't there yet for 8K. Hell, even the mighty 12GB of a Titan quickly gets overloaded at that resolution in my experience.
Any idea when this will actually become available to us mere mortals?
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#5342228 Posted on: 10/06/2016 09:06 AM
Until your SLI Titan Super X Dildo Edition graphics cards at $4000 a piece start weeping while struggling to pump out 10 frames a second in the latest un-optimized clown fiesta of a triple A game.
That's assuming nVidia would have 4 Display Ports per card.
Wow this monitor is amazing. If they start releasing 8K monitors with this refresh rate and variable refresh rate, I'd skip 4K without hesitation.
Until your SLI Titan Super X Dildo Edition graphics cards at $4000 a piece start weeping while struggling to pump out 10 frames a second in the latest un-optimized clown fiesta of a triple A game.
That's assuming nVidia would have 4 Display Ports per card.
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#5342238 Posted on: 10/06/2016 09:25 AM
From the point of technology - well, ok, Sharp, nice one.
From any other point - totally useless. Please don't even start to say how you need so much pixels on 27inch display. You simply don't (need).
From the point of technology - well, ok, Sharp, nice one.
From any other point - totally useless. Please don't even start to say how you need so much pixels on 27inch display. You simply don't (need).
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#5342243 Posted on: 10/06/2016 09:40 AM
This should push the gpu market for more performance
This should push the gpu market for more performance
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#5342249 Posted on: 10/06/2016 10:07 AM
Until your SLI Titan Super X Dildo Edition graphics cards at $4000 a piece start weeping while struggling to pump out 10 frames a second in the latest un-optimized clown fiesta of a triple A game.
That's assuming nVidia would have 4 Display Ports per card.
But in the second part of my post I said I'd use upscaling for heavy games. Upscaling at 300 ppi~ maybe is not a problem at all
Until your SLI Titan Super X Dildo Edition graphics cards at $4000 a piece start weeping while struggling to pump out 10 frames a second in the latest un-optimized clown fiesta of a triple A game.
That's assuming nVidia would have 4 Display Ports per card.
But in the second part of my post I said I'd use upscaling for heavy games. Upscaling at 300 ppi~ maybe is not a problem at all
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#5342251 Posted on: 10/06/2016 10:38 AM
Your generic 5.5" 1080p smartphone sits at ~400ppi.
>500ppi if it's 2560x1440.
According to you both those resolutions wouldn't be required.
If nothing else we presumably can agree upon the fact they look rather crisp, if nothing else, though
From any other point - totally useless. Please don't even start to say how you need so much pixels on 27inch display. You simply don't (need).
Your generic 5.5" 1080p smartphone sits at ~400ppi.
>500ppi if it's 2560x1440.
According to you both those resolutions wouldn't be required.
If nothing else we presumably can agree upon the fact they look rather crisp, if nothing else, though
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#5342253 Posted on: 10/06/2016 10:54 AM
From the point of technology - well, ok, Sharp, nice one.
From any other point - totally useless. Please don't even start to say how you need so much pixels on 27inch display. You simply don't (need).
People can easily distinguish between 4K and 8K on a 27" screen. There are so many other things than just pixel visibility that affects how we perceive our displays. I'd argue that there's no upper limit when it comes to human perception, and also note that these improvements usually translate to better techniques that could be used to manufacture lower resolution displays and consequently make them better and cheaper.
From the point of technology - well, ok, Sharp, nice one.
From any other point - totally useless. Please don't even start to say how you need so much pixels on 27inch display. You simply don't (need).
People can easily distinguish between 4K and 8K on a 27" screen. There are so many other things than just pixel visibility that affects how we perceive our displays. I'd argue that there's no upper limit when it comes to human perception, and also note that these improvements usually translate to better techniques that could be used to manufacture lower resolution displays and consequently make them better and cheaper.
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#5342305 Posted on: 10/06/2016 01:07 PM
BS. Your proof? Just because they make it? The market for all sorts of products is fool driven.. with the 'moar is better' principle. Its already happening with 5.5" 4k phones. If they made 16k 24" displays some fools would say wowza and buy them.
People can easily distinguish between 4K and 8K on a 27" screen.
BS. Your proof? Just because they make it? The market for all sorts of products is fool driven.. with the 'moar is better' principle. Its already happening with 5.5" 4k phones. If they made 16k 24" displays some fools would say wowza and buy them.
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#5342322 Posted on: 10/06/2016 01:42 PM
Theres an excuse for Titan XP quad SLI!
Theres an excuse for Titan XP quad SLI!
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#5342325 Posted on: 10/06/2016 01:51 PM
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7743/the-pixel-density-race-and-its-technical-merits
It would ultimately depend on the scene and there are obviously diminishing returns when going that high - but yeah, human eye pretty strong at noticing aliasing.
Also the higher resolution on phones is mostly to overcome lower sub-pixel resolutions on like AMOLED and it's also useful for VR, which is becoming increasingly popular on mobile.
BS. Your proof? Just because they make it? The market for all sorts of products is fool driven.. with the 'moar is better' principle. Its already happening with 5.5" 4k phones. If they made 16k 24" displays some fools would say wowza and buy them.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7743/the-pixel-density-race-and-its-technical-merits
For example, human vision systems are able to determine whether two lines are aligned extremely well, with a resolution around two arcseconds. This translates into an effective 1800 PPD. For reference, a 5” display with a 2560x1440 resolution would only have 123 PPD.
It would ultimately depend on the scene and there are obviously diminishing returns when going that high - but yeah, human eye pretty strong at noticing aliasing.
Also the higher resolution on phones is mostly to overcome lower sub-pixel resolutions on like AMOLED and it's also useful for VR, which is becoming increasingly popular on mobile.
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#5342329 Posted on: 10/06/2016 01:57 PM
Until your SLI Titan Super X Dildo Edition graphics cards at $4000 a piece start weeping while struggling to pump out 10 frames a second in the latest un-optimized clown fiesta of a triple A game.
That's assuming nVidia would have 4 Display Ports per card.
Ha Ha Ha that one ----> latest un-optimized clown fiesta of a triple A game
Yeah, you make my day
Until your SLI Titan Super X Dildo Edition graphics cards at $4000 a piece start weeping while struggling to pump out 10 frames a second in the latest un-optimized clown fiesta of a triple A game.
That's assuming nVidia would have 4 Display Ports per card.
Ha Ha Ha that one ----> latest un-optimized clown fiesta of a triple A game
Yeah, you make my day
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#5342331 Posted on: 10/06/2016 02:00 PM
Very impressive from technological point of view. Not so much from practical.
It can be usable for profesional graphical or movie studios (right now). Some studios mastering 4K movies in 5K.
But I think its more technology experiment for now.
That need alot time, till whole market can adjust.
TV technologys proving once again, they going far forward in tech.
BTW. For today, 4K is still fresh and new, not only coz its demanding for gamming.
We see pixel or not.. that is just theory. Practice can show completly other.
I talk about removing alising completly, no motion artifacts (can happen on 4K) - especialy with high brightness and sharpness.
8K should give sharp and smooth picture, which make it looks more natural isnt..?
IMO we see pixels or not thats dosen't matter.
But to be honest.. In 2019 I like to see OLED 8K + 120Hz + HDR in 65" with 700+ nits.
Then I retired 4K ;D
Very impressive from technological point of view. Not so much from practical.
It can be usable for profesional graphical or movie studios (right now). Some studios mastering 4K movies in 5K.
But I think its more technology experiment for now.
That need alot time, till whole market can adjust.
TV technologys proving once again, they going far forward in tech.
BTW. For today, 4K is still fresh and new, not only coz its demanding for gamming.
We see pixel or not.. that is just theory. Practice can show completly other.
I talk about removing alising completly, no motion artifacts (can happen on 4K) - especialy with high brightness and sharpness.
8K should give sharp and smooth picture, which make it looks more natural isnt..?
IMO we see pixels or not thats dosen't matter.
But to be honest.. In 2019 I like to see OLED 8K + 120Hz + HDR in 65" with 700+ nits.
Then I retired 4K ;D
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#5342339 Posted on: 10/06/2016 02:09 PM
We shouldn't complain about companies advancing technology even if it feels too early. These same conversations happened when 4k was a distant thought. They need to create the manufacturing methods if we want them to be priced in the realm of reality when it comes a time that we actually can drive them. Not to mention in the world of VR we need 8k/16k displays and with eye tracking and foveated rendering you could potentially drive an 8k display at the requirements of a 4-6k display.
We shouldn't complain about companies advancing technology even if it feels too early. These same conversations happened when 4k was a distant thought. They need to create the manufacturing methods if we want them to be priced in the realm of reality when it comes a time that we actually can drive them. Not to mention in the world of VR we need 8k/16k displays and with eye tracking and foveated rendering you could potentially drive an 8k display at the requirements of a 4-6k display.
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#5342345 Posted on: 10/06/2016 02:22 PM
Soon a microscope will be needed to see the pixels on future panels ;-)
Soon a microscope will be needed to see the pixels on future panels ;-)
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Wow this monitor is amazing. If they start releasing 8K monitors with this refresh rate and variable refresh rate, I'd skip 4K without hesitation.
I think you can play 1080p or 2160p (4k) in this monitor without a problem from a regular vision distance, it has more than 300 ppi! While keeping native res for Desktop and light games.