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Seagate closes its biggest factory for HDD production
We stated it before, HDDs are a dying breed and will become the dinosaurs of the technology age. They have two things going for them, capacity and price. Other then that it is just a matter of time before NAND and other flash storage technologies will catch up here.
In that mindset, Seagate will close one of its biggest production facilities, leaving 2200 people without a job. The factory based in in Suzhou, China is one of their final assembly locations covering an area of over 100,000 square meters and is a big part of the overall production capacity for Seagate. Seagate will be going from 55-60 million per quarter units made towards 35 to 40 million HDDs.
According to media reports the fab already halted making products and the last employees where laid off on January 18, 2017. Below in the screenshots you can see a letter posted to the employees with the announcement.
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#5382891 Posted on: 01/19/2017 01:55 AM
I take issue with the use of the word "Trusty"////
I take issue with the use of the word "Trusty"////
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#5382934 Posted on: 01/19/2017 07:47 AM
Mechanical hard drives can be very reliable, as long as you get a good one. SSD's are better for fast speed, mechanical drives still have their place for storage. There will be a time when flash drives are not only cheaper than their mechanical alternatives, but also can cope with large write cycles and have reliable data over time (in terms of the drive not powered), but we're not their yet!
I have a preference for Toshiba drives myself.
Mechanical hard drives can be very reliable, as long as you get a good one. SSD's are better for fast speed, mechanical drives still have their place for storage. There will be a time when flash drives are not only cheaper than their mechanical alternatives, but also can cope with large write cycles and have reliable data over time (in terms of the drive not powered), but we're not their yet!
I have a preference for Toshiba drives myself.
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#5382956 Posted on: 01/19/2017 10:56 AM
This will inevitably raise prices. Not good.
This will inevitably raise prices. Not good.
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#5382962 Posted on: 01/19/2017 11:26 AM
As long as WD's drives remain at the same price, I couldn't care less about what these junk peddlers are up to.
Dunno about the shift to SSD's part, most laptops I see on sale and which move the most in units have those awful laptop hdd's and I even saw a Dell XPS 13 with a pathetic 128GB SSD at well over $1000. Why even bother with such a low capacity drive after the whole GB/GiB crap and Windows taking away another 15~GB.
What you say about WD is matter of opinion.
I had every single WD purchased in last 8 years failed because of bad sectors, especially green line is big poo. I had few desktop Seagate fail too, but at least 99.5% of data recoverable compared to less than 85% on WD.
One of reasons I started to use enterprise disks as they tend to last much longer and offer 5years warranty instead of just 2 and as well get much higher read/write performance.
As long as WD's drives remain at the same price, I couldn't care less about what these junk peddlers are up to.
Dunno about the shift to SSD's part, most laptops I see on sale and which move the most in units have those awful laptop hdd's and I even saw a Dell XPS 13 with a pathetic 128GB SSD at well over $1000. Why even bother with such a low capacity drive after the whole GB/GiB crap and Windows taking away another 15~GB.
What you say about WD is matter of opinion.
I had every single WD purchased in last 8 years failed because of bad sectors, especially green line is big poo. I had few desktop Seagate fail too, but at least 99.5% of data recoverable compared to less than 85% on WD.
One of reasons I started to use enterprise disks as they tend to last much longer and offer 5years warranty instead of just 2 and as well get much higher read/write performance.
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#5382995 Posted on: 01/19/2017 02:18 PM
The person who drafted the letter was not competent enough to notice this is 2017.
The person who drafted the letter was not competent enough to notice this is 2017.
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#5383001 Posted on: 01/19/2017 02:34 PM
What you say about WD is matter of opinion.
I had every single WD purchased in last 8 years failed because of bad sectors, especially green line is big poo. I had few desktop Seagate fail too, but at least 99.5% of data recoverable compared to less than 85% on WD.
One of reasons I started to use enterprise disks as they tend to last much longer and offer 5years warranty instead of just 2 and as well get much higher read/write performance.
With WD Green you need to check parking time.
It used to be really low (8 secs), and the disk was spinning on/off.
Change it to 5 minutes and problem solved.
What you say about WD is matter of opinion.
I had every single WD purchased in last 8 years failed because of bad sectors, especially green line is big poo. I had few desktop Seagate fail too, but at least 99.5% of data recoverable compared to less than 85% on WD.
One of reasons I started to use enterprise disks as they tend to last much longer and offer 5years warranty instead of just 2 and as well get much higher read/write performance.
With WD Green you need to check parking time.
It used to be really low (8 secs), and the disk was spinning on/off.
Change it to 5 minutes and problem solved.
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#5383007 Posted on: 01/19/2017 02:47 PM
If this raises prices of HDDs, then HDD makers are simply digging their own grave faster. As for Seagate, words are not enough to express my gratitude to them for all of their disks I've ever known (more than six), eventually breaking down.
If this raises prices of HDDs, then HDD makers are simply digging their own grave faster. As for Seagate, words are not enough to express my gratitude to them for all of their disks I've ever known (more than six), eventually breaking down.
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#5383013 Posted on: 01/19/2017 03:04 PM
What you say about WD is matter of opinion.
I had every single WD purchased in last 8 years failed because of bad sectors, especially green line is big poo. I had few desktop Seagate fail too, but at least 99.5% of data recoverable compared to less than 85% on WD.
One of reasons I started to use enterprise disks as they tend to last much longer and offer 5years warranty instead of just 2 and as well get much higher read/write performance.
every person have their own experience and opinion for hdd and hdd maker
you saying 99.5% data recoverable from how many seagate hdd ? if less than 100 its means nothing
also enterprise drives isnt more durable to consumer hdd
higher io usually that for SAS hdd that have higher rpm 15k
enterprise drive like seagate ES series dont have big performance difference compared to consumer drive, other than equipped with head stabilator
btw wd black also offering 5years warranty, heard its basically same to enterprise drive except different firmware...
can't say much about hdd parts between consumer and enterprise as i never dissect hdd parts myself
but based what i read, and google-backblaze server report, basically they saying enterprise drive isnt worthed the price either durability over consumer drive, thus they prefer to use consumer hdd over enterprise hdd and saving quite sum of money
What you say about WD is matter of opinion.
I had every single WD purchased in last 8 years failed because of bad sectors, especially green line is big poo. I had few desktop Seagate fail too, but at least 99.5% of data recoverable compared to less than 85% on WD.
One of reasons I started to use enterprise disks as they tend to last much longer and offer 5years warranty instead of just 2 and as well get much higher read/write performance.
every person have their own experience and opinion for hdd and hdd maker
you saying 99.5% data recoverable from how many seagate hdd ? if less than 100 its means nothing
also enterprise drives isnt more durable to consumer hdd
higher io usually that for SAS hdd that have higher rpm 15k
enterprise drive like seagate ES series dont have big performance difference compared to consumer drive, other than equipped with head stabilator
btw wd black also offering 5years warranty, heard its basically same to enterprise drive except different firmware...
can't say much about hdd parts between consumer and enterprise as i never dissect hdd parts myself
but based what i read, and google-backblaze server report, basically they saying enterprise drive isnt worthed the price either durability over consumer drive, thus they prefer to use consumer hdd over enterprise hdd and saving quite sum of money
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#5383019 Posted on: 01/19/2017 03:33 PM
Last time i owned a Seagate was in the early 00's.
I then went with Samsung Spinpoint (R.I.P.) and now i have x 2,5 Inch WD HDDs cuz they're silent ^^
Last time i owned a Seagate was in the early 00's.
I then went with Samsung Spinpoint (R.I.P.) and now i have x 2,5 Inch WD HDDs cuz they're silent ^^
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#5383021 Posted on: 01/19/2017 03:36 PM
HDD reliability experience varies a lot from person to person and the way they stress it. Some people only browse the internet, some upload/download 100+ torrents, some have heavy workloads or keep their system always on with HDD autosleep deactivated. In my personal view the most reliable HDDs were made by Hitachi (which was acquired by WD few years ago but still sell some types under the HGST name). As for Seagate, i had 2 bad experiences with them as i had with Samsung, so i moved on to Hitachi and WD.
This is not the death of the HDDs, as they are pretty reliable and will continue to dominate the market-share well after 2020. From the SSD p.o.v I'm looking forward to NVMe and M.2 improvements over the aging SATA.
HDD reliability experience varies a lot from person to person and the way they stress it. Some people only browse the internet, some upload/download 100+ torrents, some have heavy workloads or keep their system always on with HDD autosleep deactivated. In my personal view the most reliable HDDs were made by Hitachi (which was acquired by WD few years ago but still sell some types under the HGST name). As for Seagate, i had 2 bad experiences with them as i had with Samsung, so i moved on to Hitachi and WD.
This is not the death of the HDDs, as they are pretty reliable and will continue to dominate the market-share well after 2020. From the SSD p.o.v I'm looking forward to NVMe and M.2 improvements over the aging SATA.
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#5383034 Posted on: 01/19/2017 04:19 PM
can someone share for free seagate disk firmware cc92-cc96 for Barracuda LP 5900.2 ? I lost overlay when doing terminal formating, it is not big deal, but can not clear p,g-list now
can someone share for free seagate disk firmware cc92-cc96 for Barracuda LP 5900.2 ? I lost overlay when doing terminal formating, it is not big deal, but can not clear p,g-list now
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#5383044 Posted on: 01/19/2017 04:48 PM
There will always be a place for bigger and bigger capacity HDDs, dinosaurs or not...
The day I can buy affordable SSDs at 4+TB capacity might change that, but that's still a long way off sadly.
There will always be a place for bigger and bigger capacity HDDs, dinosaurs or not...
The day I can buy affordable SSDs at 4+TB capacity might change that, but that's still a long way off sadly.
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#5383045 Posted on: 01/19/2017 04:51 PM
Even that will do you no good just because*it moving forward to NVMe, U.2 and M.2 it still cost arm and leg just get a 1TB drive will set you back $270 vs a pair 4TB with changes left over.
The down side with SSD is when it goes it gone for good there is usually no hope of recovery where mechanical hard drives can be*more reliable at recovery the*data even you have sent it in to have it done when software tools don't work*ware with SSD they can be even more difficult and expensive to recover data from if software tools don't work.
Oh SATA not dead what do you think M.2 is an implementation of the SATA Express interface
This is not the death of the HDDs, as they are pretty reliable and will continue to dominate the market-share well after 2020. From the SSD p.o.v I'm looking forward to NVMe and M.2 improvements over the aging SATA.
Even that will do you no good just because*it moving forward to NVMe, U.2 and M.2 it still cost arm and leg just get a 1TB drive will set you back $270 vs a pair 4TB with changes left over.
The down side with SSD is when it goes it gone for good there is usually no hope of recovery where mechanical hard drives can be*more reliable at recovery the*data even you have sent it in to have it done when software tools don't work*ware with SSD they can be even more difficult and expensive to recover data from if software tools don't work.
Oh SATA not dead what do you think M.2 is an implementation of the SATA Express interface
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#5383057 Posted on: 01/19/2017 05:24 PM
I don't see how this would raise prices. It's simple economics - supply and demand. The reason HDDs are getting so cheap is because the demand is low. The reason Seagate is making this move in the first place is because the demand is so low. Most of what you're paying for is the brand name, materials, and shipping. This is why you can get a 250GB drive for the same price as a 750GB drive.
As long as the supply keeps up (which according to their graphs it looks like it might), I suspect this move will lower prices. Closing a large factory and laying off that many employees is an easy way to save a lot of cash when competing factories can keep up just fine.
I don't see how this would raise prices. It's simple economics - supply and demand. The reason HDDs are getting so cheap is because the demand is low. The reason Seagate is making this move in the first place is because the demand is so low. Most of what you're paying for is the brand name, materials, and shipping. This is why you can get a 250GB drive for the same price as a 750GB drive.
As long as the supply keeps up (which according to their graphs it looks like it might), I suspect this move will lower prices. Closing a large factory and laying off that many employees is an easy way to save a lot of cash when competing factories can keep up just fine.
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As long as WD's drives remain at the same price, I couldn't care less about what these junk peddlers are up to.
Dunno about the shift to SSD's part, most laptops I see on sale and which move the most in units have those awful laptop hdd's and I even saw a Dell XPS 13 with a pathetic 128GB SSD at well over $1000. Why even bother with such a low capacity drive after the whole GB/GiB crap and Windows taking away another 15~GB.