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#6079122 Posted on: 12/03/2022 06:01 PM
nope.
they have a greater chance of having 3d cache 1st (but have to pay extra for it unlike AMD who paid 1/2 of the fab).
Nvidia has been playing at a similar game but is way behind AMD and Intel. Intel will have a MCM GPU as soon as they decide to hit the enthusiast market but Nvidia has far more R&D on topic ahead of them. the name of the game is latency and Nvidia is far, far behind as Apple, AMD, and Intel all have some form of MCM on the market today.
and mind you TSMC is doing both Apple and AMD but they are totally different processes
We wouldn't know even if Nvidia had been experimenting with MCM for years now and just decided it wasn't yet ready for this 4000 generation. The general specs of Ada Lovelace must have been written on paper already a couple of years ago. After all, Nvidia has got a whole lot more budget than AMD, so while Jensen loves his money, I don't believe Nvidia would be experiencing as much pressure to get immediate financial results from R&D as AMD (even AMD doesn't, does it?). Unless Nvidia stock owners are really anal, but seeing how Jensen has been behind the wheel since the beginning of Nvidia's incredible journey to the top of the fabless semiconductor business, I bet the stock owners let Mr. Leather Jacket do whatever he wants.
nope.
they have a greater chance of having 3d cache 1st (but have to pay extra for it unlike AMD who paid 1/2 of the fab).
Nvidia has been playing at a similar game but is way behind AMD and Intel. Intel will have a MCM GPU as soon as they decide to hit the enthusiast market but Nvidia has far more R&D on topic ahead of them. the name of the game is latency and Nvidia is far, far behind as Apple, AMD, and Intel all have some form of MCM on the market today.
and mind you TSMC is doing both Apple and AMD but they are totally different processes
We wouldn't know even if Nvidia had been experimenting with MCM for years now and just decided it wasn't yet ready for this 4000 generation. The general specs of Ada Lovelace must have been written on paper already a couple of years ago. After all, Nvidia has got a whole lot more budget than AMD, so while Jensen loves his money, I don't believe Nvidia would be experiencing as much pressure to get immediate financial results from R&D as AMD (even AMD doesn't, does it?). Unless Nvidia stock owners are really anal, but seeing how Jensen has been behind the wheel since the beginning of Nvidia's incredible journey to the top of the fabless semiconductor business, I bet the stock owners let Mr. Leather Jacket do whatever he wants.
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#6079148 Posted on: 12/03/2022 08:06 PM
Nvidia has documented R&D on MCM since (right) before AMD announced it on their roadmap.
however, there is a world of difference between "me too" research and years of ES at different nodes and flavors of substrates.
to be anywhere close in the real world Nvidia would've had to contract custom fab work and they haven't even had more than one prototype.
Intel's MCM isn't as elegant, cost productive, or as high yield as AMD but it's real and they've spent over a billion dollars (incl. fab updates) to be at the point where their CPUs have double the yield of the 10th generation.
Apple of course has the "stitched" together MCM, which makes it the third totally different process to achieve similar goals.
Nvidia has a press release
We wouldn't know even if Nvidia had been experimenting with MCM for years now and just decided it wasn't yet ready for this 4000 generation. The general specs of Ada Lovelace must have been written on paper already a couple of years ago. After all, Nvidia has got a whole lot more budget than AMD, so while Jensen loves his money, I don't believe Nvidia would be experiencing as much pressure to get immediate financial results from R&D as AMD (even AMD doesn't, does it?). Unless Nvidia stock owners are really anal, but seeing how Jensen has been behind the wheel since the beginning of Nvidia's incredible journey to the top of the fabless semiconductor business, I bet the stock owners let Mr. Leather Jacket do whatever he wants.
Nvidia has documented R&D on MCM since (right) before AMD announced it on their roadmap.
however, there is a world of difference between "me too" research and years of ES at different nodes and flavors of substrates.
to be anywhere close in the real world Nvidia would've had to contract custom fab work and they haven't even had more than one prototype.
Intel's MCM isn't as elegant, cost productive, or as high yield as AMD but it's real and they've spent over a billion dollars (incl. fab updates) to be at the point where their CPUs have double the yield of the 10th generation.
Apple of course has the "stitched" together MCM, which makes it the third totally different process to achieve similar goals.
Nvidia has a press release
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#6079154 Posted on: 12/03/2022 08:30 PM
Nvidia has documented R&D on MCM since (right) before AMD announced it on their roadmap.
however, there is a world of difference between "me too" research and years of ES at different nodes and flavors of substrates.
to be anywhere close in the real world Nvidia would've had to contract custom fab work and they haven't even had more than one prototype.
Intel's MCM isn't as elegant, cost productive, or as high yield as AMD but it's real and they've spent over a billion dollars (incl. fab updates) to be at the point where their CPUs have double the yield of the 10th generation.
Apple of course has the "stitched" together MCM, which makes it the third totally different process to achieve similar goals.
Nvidia has a press release
To be fair chiplets design is an old story with IBM being the first who played with it - 3081 mainframe. Nvidia played with chiplets at least the same as AMD if not more because they have a problem: their AI engine doesn't do well with chiplets and Nvidia wants to keep their tensor cores because unlike AMD they built an entire universe of applications based on it: neural networks, AI "smart" cars, etc. AMD has nothing to offer in this field so for them the transition was easy. I use a 3090Ti for deep learning and it is amazing: my own in house learning network! - after 3 months training it has a precision of 68% in image recognition and this with just a consumer card! I also use CUDA accelerated applications at work - AMD has nothing in this field - they didn't had to think about this. I like the fact that Nvidia was supportive of science (and of course their profit) - there is more to GPU than games - AMD failed to recognize that.
An very interesting scientific article published by some universities in collaboration with Nvidia in 2017: https://research.nvidia.com/sites/default/files/publications/ISCA-2017-MCMGPU.pdf
Nvidia has documented R&D on MCM since (right) before AMD announced it on their roadmap.
however, there is a world of difference between "me too" research and years of ES at different nodes and flavors of substrates.
to be anywhere close in the real world Nvidia would've had to contract custom fab work and they haven't even had more than one prototype.
Intel's MCM isn't as elegant, cost productive, or as high yield as AMD but it's real and they've spent over a billion dollars (incl. fab updates) to be at the point where their CPUs have double the yield of the 10th generation.
Apple of course has the "stitched" together MCM, which makes it the third totally different process to achieve similar goals.
Nvidia has a press release
To be fair chiplets design is an old story with IBM being the first who played with it - 3081 mainframe. Nvidia played with chiplets at least the same as AMD if not more because they have a problem: their AI engine doesn't do well with chiplets and Nvidia wants to keep their tensor cores because unlike AMD they built an entire universe of applications based on it: neural networks, AI "smart" cars, etc. AMD has nothing to offer in this field so for them the transition was easy. I use a 3090Ti for deep learning and it is amazing: my own in house learning network! - after 3 months training it has a precision of 68% in image recognition and this with just a consumer card! I also use CUDA accelerated applications at work - AMD has nothing in this field - they didn't had to think about this. I like the fact that Nvidia was supportive of science (and of course their profit) - there is more to GPU than games - AMD failed to recognize that.
An very interesting scientific article published by some universities in collaboration with Nvidia in 2017: https://research.nvidia.com/sites/default/files/publications/ISCA-2017-MCMGPU.pdf
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#6079166 Posted on: 12/03/2022 09:05 PM
I think they got subdued because the RTX 4000 series ended up being a lot more efficient than most had expected. AMD knew they weren't going to beat the 4090 in performance and they most likely know they're still going to under-perform in raytracing, but they could eat least compete against the 4080 in terms of performance-per- and performance-per-watt. Well, the value proposition doesn't really matter when you're still paying 4 figures, and AMD was most likely targeting Nvidia's overestimated wattage. So, now they got a product that's not quite as special as they originally anticipated. I think it'll still be good, and I'm still feeling pretty confident I'll be getting a 7700 if the price is right, but this is likely another round where Nvidia is the overall winner.
Let's hope so. I have felt like AMD has been quite subdued ever since 4090 and 4080 got released. That has made me worried, considering earlier AMD seemed to be very proud of the MCM technology being applied to GPUs. I reckon chances are high that the next Nvidia GPU generation will also be MCM.
I think they got subdued because the RTX 4000 series ended up being a lot more efficient than most had expected. AMD knew they weren't going to beat the 4090 in performance and they most likely know they're still going to under-perform in raytracing, but they could eat least compete against the 4080 in terms of performance-per-
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nope.
they have a greater chance of having 3d cache 1st (but have to pay extra for it unlike AMD who paid 1/2 of the fab).
Nvidia has been playing at a similar game but is way behind AMD and Intel. Intel will have a MCM GPU as soon as they decide to hit the enthusiast market but Nvidia has far more R&D on topic ahead of them. the name of the game is latency and Nvidia is far, far behind as Apple, AMD, and Intel all have some form of MCM on the market today.
and mind you TSMC is doing both Apple and AMD but they are totally different processes