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Sapphire Technology Product Manager Spills Some Beans on AMD NAVI
The actual page with information has been taken offline already but in an interview with a Sapphire Technology Product Manager at AMD 50 Gathering in China Product Manager Leo and Public Relations Director Jenny spilled some info.
The interview with Sapphire Technology Product Manager Leo and Public Relations Director Jenny at AMD 50 Gathering in Chengdu, China as spotted by Eric98k at Reddit. First off, there are no plans for Sapphire for a non-reference Radeon VII, which kinda makes sense so shortly before NAVI, neither was it expected.
However, confirmed to be released for NAVI is a water-cooled Poison Toxic. Toxic for Vega was canceled due to restricted margins. AMD seems to be tackling two price points for NAVI, one is priced at $499 and the other is $399, let's call them PRO and XT GPU versions for now.
The top model NAVI would be competing with and should be stronger than a GTX 2070. In the artciel, they deny the existence of a so-called “Big Navi” with 5120SP. Navi would be presented at Computex on May 27th, and the launch date is July 7th.
Take it all with a grain of salt and some disclaimers, please.
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#5671561 Posted on: 05/21/2019 06:23 PM
We are going offtopic here...btw I will happily give my scores here...or better I can make a video on how rage 2 is doing...please tell me which metrics we want to use, I mean...which fps tool you want me to use and maybe I will shut up the few of you still believing in nvidia sh*t.
Will give a FCAT try this evening and put the results.
What you do wrong is comparing apples to oranges. Stock, to Stock 1080 is around 2060. OC both and not much changes. Except maybe 2060 eating less power.
We are going offtopic here...btw I will happily give my scores here...or better I can make a video on how rage 2 is doing...please tell me which metrics we want to use, I mean...which fps tool you want me to use and maybe I will shut up the few of you still believing in nvidia sh*t.
Will give a FCAT try this evening and put the results.
What you do wrong is comparing apples to oranges. Stock, to Stock 1080 is around 2060. OC both and not much changes. Except maybe 2060 eating less power.
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#5671577 Posted on: 05/21/2019 06:44 PM
5) given the efficiencies and power draw @ 7nm, wc Navi may not actually need wc....my Radeon VII doesn't (even tho' i do have it on a custom loop). i wc the Radeon VII more for noise than the few extra fps i get.
When someone WC's a GPU to keep noise down rather than for performance sake, you know theres an interesting story somewhere
. So how do you like the R7 vs the 1080ti?
5) given the efficiencies and power draw @ 7nm, wc Navi may not actually need wc....my Radeon VII doesn't (even tho' i do have it on a custom loop). i wc the Radeon VII more for noise than the few extra fps i get.
When someone WC's a GPU to keep noise down rather than for performance sake, you know theres an interesting story somewhere
. So how do you like the R7 vs the 1080ti?
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#5671579 Posted on: 05/21/2019 06:45 PM
Are you in the future? Specifically May 27th, 2021?
That's my only assumption i can come up with due to your "5 years old technology" statement. You must be in the future, May 27th 2021 or later, for a GTX 1080 to be 5 years old.
Considering that my oc gtx 1080 is on par with the rtx 2070 I am wondering which the sense should be by releasing something that will be on par with a 5 years old technology...wait...maybe I got the point...cash.
Are you in the future? Specifically May 27th, 2021?
That's my only assumption i can come up with due to your "5 years old technology" statement. You must be in the future, May 27th 2021 or later, for a GTX 1080 to be 5 years old.
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#5671587 Posted on: 05/21/2019 07:08 PM
Aftermarket Navi cards that compete against the RTX 2070 are going to be 350-400 US. This is a water cooled and overpriced edition at 500 US. I am not sure why anyone is surprised by the rip off price. With Nvidia's appalling prices, a water cooled RTX 2070 would cost 650 US.
Aftermarket Navi cards that compete against the RTX 2070 are going to be 350-400 US. This is a water cooled and overpriced edition at 500 US. I am not sure why anyone is surprised by the rip off price. With Nvidia's appalling prices, a water cooled RTX 2070 would cost 650 US.
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#5671592 Posted on: 05/21/2019 07:15 PM
I expect better than this. AMD will either quickly lower pricing post launch or these prices are for premium Sapphire cards. You should think logically: Why release products which are dead on arrival? I'm personally expecting at least hundred euros less for both cards from typical partners like Gigabyte. Some analyses don't consider the market space at all, just thinking that maximum profit is what every company is after, when AMD cannot gain that by overpricing.
I expect better than this. AMD will either quickly lower pricing post launch or these prices are for premium Sapphire cards. You should think logically: Why release products which are dead on arrival? I'm personally expecting at least hundred euros less for both cards from typical partners like Gigabyte. Some analyses don't consider the market space at all, just thinking that maximum profit is what every company is after, when AMD cannot gain that by overpricing.
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#5671594 Posted on: 05/21/2019 07:21 PM
Lets just take a moment, to think how they are going to do RT via software, after seeing how well Nvidia can do it via hardware
:p
Lets just take a moment, to think how they are going to do RT via software, after seeing how well Nvidia can do it via hardware
:p
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#5671644 Posted on: 05/21/2019 09:49 PM
Technically very true. As we see from Pascal, software RT can't compare.
But I find that RT has lost most of its interest to me. Shopping right now I'm looking at RTX because compared to a used GTX it's lower power and can be had new with warranty*. Compared to anything Radeon it can be had with higher performance and will hold such a lead for a long time.
RT? I'll run some demos but otherwise that almost doesn't matter.
* A used 1080 TI is still an excellent choice, and I'd go for that in a different use case.
Lets just take a moment, to think how they are going to do RT via software, after seeing how well Nvidia can do it via hardware :p
:pTechnically very true. As we see from Pascal, software RT can't compare.
But I find that RT has lost most of its interest to me. Shopping right now I'm looking at RTX because compared to a used GTX it's lower power and can be had new with warranty*. Compared to anything Radeon it can be had with higher performance and will hold such a lead for a long time.
RT? I'll run some demos but otherwise that almost doesn't matter.
* A used 1080 TI is still an excellent choice, and I'd go for that in a different use case.
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#5671647 Posted on: 05/21/2019 10:00 PM
Technically very true. As we see from Pascal, software RT can't compare.
But I find that RT has lost most of its interest to me. Shopping right now I'm looking at RTX because compared to a used GTX it's lower power and can be had new with warranty. Compared to anything Radeon it can be had with higher performance and will hold such lead for a long time.
RT? I'll run some demos but otherwise that almost doesn't matter.
Pascal has magnitude worse FP16 performance than FP32. Therefore all those operations run on FP32. On other hand Vega has 2:1 FP16 to FP32, this makes it's FP16 twice as good as FP32 of GTX 1080Ti. So, if AMD does it through brute force, you can expect Vega 56 to do about twice as well as GTX 1080Ti. (Still not the best, but that Vega 56 is quite cheaper than lowest RTX enabled 2060.)
Check this and potentially double fps of GTX 1080Ti.
Technically very true. As we see from Pascal, software RT can't compare.
But I find that RT has lost most of its interest to me. Shopping right now I'm looking at RTX because compared to a used GTX it's lower power and can be had new with warranty. Compared to anything Radeon it can be had with higher performance and will hold such lead for a long time.
RT? I'll run some demos but otherwise that almost doesn't matter.
Pascal has magnitude worse FP16 performance than FP32. Therefore all those operations run on FP32. On other hand Vega has 2:1 FP16 to FP32, this makes it's FP16 twice as good as FP32 of GTX 1080Ti. So, if AMD does it through brute force, you can expect Vega 56 to do about twice as well as GTX 1080Ti. (Still not the best, but that Vega 56 is quite cheaper than lowest RTX enabled 2060.)
Check this and potentially double fps of GTX 1080Ti.
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#5671657 Posted on: 05/21/2019 10:15 PM
Guys i think it's $499 Singapur Dollar
(w/7% Tax)
Navi 10 XT = ~330 USD
Navi 10 ("Pro") = ~280 USD
IMhO Hi-End Navi starting price will be at ~299€ (As Polaris was, or maby lower? who knows)
Those are small chips, easy to manufacture with good Yield... So pricing at >400€ do not do any good to ATI/AMD.
Guys i think it's $499 Singapur Dollar
(w/7% Tax)Navi 10 XT = ~330 USD
Navi 10 ("Pro") = ~280 USD
IMhO Hi-End Navi starting price will be at ~299€ (As Polaris was, or maby lower? who knows)
Those are small chips, easy to manufacture with good Yield... So pricing at >400€ do not do any good to ATI/AMD.
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#5671670 Posted on: 05/21/2019 11:09 PM
Here we go.
I am getting tired of repeating that Nvidia is trolling the real performance of Pascal gpus.
The Gtx 1080 is a little monster, especially when oc'ed. It gets so close to the gtx 1080ti that the difference is something between 10-15%.
And not less it kicks the rtx 2070 ass.
My Rig:
Asus X470-I ROG Strix
16 gb ddr4 3200 mhz
Ryzen 2700x (stock clock)
Watercooled and oc gtx 1080 fe with 399.24 drivers (the last good ones for Pascal gpus)
Rage 2 has been run in 4k on ultra settings with soft vsync, txaa+fxaa
As for the fps capturing I did use the awesome OCAT piece of software:
https://github.com/GPUOpen-Tools/OCAT/releases
Here you can grab my video showing the magic - this is a Rage 2 gameplay session that I have recorded for the misbelievings
https://drive.google.com/open?id=17eg-Np8bBrgSs2VR8xjgzuuIUX3btr2r
I know, the word is: unbelievable
Undying, I can not say anything more cause I may offend you and the last thing that I want is to be banned - cheers!
2070 is faster than 1080 in every new game, especially ones using Vulkan. Same goes for 2080 vs 1080ti.
Here we go.
I am getting tired of repeating that Nvidia is trolling the real performance of Pascal gpus.
The Gtx 1080 is a little monster, especially when oc'ed. It gets so close to the gtx 1080ti that the difference is something between 10-15%.
And not less it kicks the rtx 2070 ass.
My Rig:
Asus X470-I ROG Strix
16 gb ddr4 3200 mhz
Ryzen 2700x (stock clock)
Watercooled and oc gtx 1080 fe with 399.24 drivers (the last good ones for Pascal gpus)
Rage 2 has been run in 4k on ultra settings with soft vsync, txaa+fxaa
As for the fps capturing I did use the awesome OCAT piece of software:
https://github.com/GPUOpen-Tools/OCAT/releases
Here you can grab my video showing the magic - this is a Rage 2 gameplay session that I have recorded for the misbelievings
https://drive.google.com/open?id=17eg-Np8bBrgSs2VR8xjgzuuIUX3btr2r
I know, the word is: unbelievable
Undying, I can not say anything more cause I may offend you and the last thing that I want is to be banned - cheers!
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#5671674 Posted on: 05/21/2019 11:28 PM
Here we go.
I am getting tired of repeating that Nvidia is trolling the real performance of Pascal gpus.
The Gtx 1080 is a little monster, especially when oc'ed. It gets so close to the gtx 1080ti that the difference is something between 10-15%.
And not less it kicks the rtx 2070 ass.
My Rig:
Asus X470-I ROG Strix
16 gb ddr4 3200 mhz
Ryzen 2700x (stock clock)
Watercooled and oc gtx 1080 fe with 399.24 drivers (the last good ones for Pascal gpus)
Rage 2 has been run in 4k on ultra settings with soft vsync, txaa+fxaa
As for the fps capturing I did use the awesome OCAT piece of software:
https://github.com/GPUOpen-Tools/OCAT/releases
Here you can grab my video showing the magic - this is a Rage 2 gameplay session that I have recorded for the misbelievings
https://drive.google.com/open?id=17eg-Np8bBrgSs2VR8xjgzuuIUX3btr2r
I know, the word is: unbelievable
Undying, I can not say anything more cause I may offend you and the last thing that I want is to be banned - cheers!
Nah man i wont get offended we are just talking. Im glad you are happy with the peformance of the 1080 and i didnt said its slow by any means just that newer games favor turing.
Cheers and nice video.
Here we go.
I am getting tired of repeating that Nvidia is trolling the real performance of Pascal gpus.
The Gtx 1080 is a little monster, especially when oc'ed. It gets so close to the gtx 1080ti that the difference is something between 10-15%.
And not less it kicks the rtx 2070 ass.
My Rig:
Asus X470-I ROG Strix
16 gb ddr4 3200 mhz
Ryzen 2700x (stock clock)
Watercooled and oc gtx 1080 fe with 399.24 drivers (the last good ones for Pascal gpus)
Rage 2 has been run in 4k on ultra settings with soft vsync, txaa+fxaa
As for the fps capturing I did use the awesome OCAT piece of software:
https://github.com/GPUOpen-Tools/OCAT/releases
Here you can grab my video showing the magic - this is a Rage 2 gameplay session that I have recorded for the misbelievings
https://drive.google.com/open?id=17eg-Np8bBrgSs2VR8xjgzuuIUX3btr2r
I know, the word is: unbelievable
Undying, I can not say anything more cause I may offend you and the last thing that I want is to be banned - cheers!
Nah man i wont get offended we are just talking. Im glad you are happy with the peformance of the 1080 and i didnt said its slow by any means just that newer games favor turing.
Cheers and nice video.
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#5671677 Posted on: 05/21/2019 11:38 PM
Nah man i wont get offended we are just talking. Im glad you are happy with the peformance of the 1080 and i didnt said its slow by any means just that newer games favor turing.
Cheers and nice video. :p
Thanks
Nah man i wont get offended we are just talking. Im glad you are happy with the peformance of the 1080 and i didnt said its slow by any means just that newer games favor turing.
Cheers and nice video. :p
Thanks
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#5671683 Posted on: 05/22/2019 12:06 AM
5870 was a hell of a card back in the day. I rocked that card for years. It was my last AMD card and I've been NVIDIA ever since. Hoping they make a comeback in the GPU world for the top shelf stuff. I'm not interested in the budget baller cards they excel at.
I like pulling for AMD but if they don't push the GPU market forward then Im likely getting whatever Nvidia puts out on 7nm. Still holding onto my GTX 1070 and my 2k monitor which is actually doing pretty well. I did have an ati 9700 pro and an ATI 5870 which at the time they were better than anything Nvidia offered albeit the 5870's dominance was very short lived. Hopefully next week we can get some details on big Navi or whatever they will call it.
5870 was a hell of a card back in the day. I rocked that card for years. It was my last AMD card and I've been NVIDIA ever since. Hoping they make a comeback in the GPU world for the top shelf stuff. I'm not interested in the budget baller cards they excel at.
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#5671686 Posted on: 05/22/2019 12:13 AM
Who bought a 1080ti at launch price definitely bought the most longeve card i heard of.
indeed, its the q6600/920/2500k of the GPU world, for a while i thought that would never happen
Who bought a 1080ti at launch price definitely bought the most longeve card i heard of.
indeed, its the q6600/920/2500k of the GPU world, for a while i thought that would never happen
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I hear ya. I could never justify buying a 2080Ti. A 2080 is 4K-ready if you just turn off AA. Depending on the size of your display, you probably wouldn't notice AA being off anyway, though, I'm sure some purists here will vehemently disagree.
I too would hope the post-GCN cards will be what we're looking for but knowing their development rate, that's just way too far away, and that includes mature drivers.
On the note of those chiplet-based GPUs, I'd like to see if that breathes new life into mGPU setups, where you can basically just keep adding as many core clusters as you want and it will scale appropriately. So to start with, you could have AIBs where their performance is basically determined by how many core clusters they have and how much VRAM they have. Then, there could be absurd Crossfire setups where you've got PCIe x1 or M.2 cards with only a single core cluster that act as a mini performance boost. I'm not keeping my hopes up that will happen, but I think it'd be pretty cool to be able to incrementally add performance like that.
Certainly brings some interesting possibilities, really looking forward to see what comes. Certainly more cores and more speed just like the new Ryzen chips we have coming all so Soon ^^
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I don't know, perhaps the heavy demands of ray tracing will see a resurgence of multicard setups?
Though the chiplet design and reduced cost of no longer needing monolithic GPU design may make multi card setups defunct for enough performance from a gaming perspective with decent quality..