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Samsung sees no future for OLED TVs
Ah bummer, I was kinda hoping for a Samsung OLED UHD TV myself. Samsung sees no future for OLED TVs, according to Kim Hyun-suk who leads the display division of Samsung Electronics there have been too few enhancements while OLED remains to be tricky and expensive to fabricate.
Back in 2013 Samsung already produced OLED TVs, but halted production on 2014. Samsung Electronics president and TV chief Kim Hyun-seok on Tuesday reaffirmed to koreaherald that the company has no immediate plan to produce organic light-emitting diode TVs. But the tone and manner was stronger than ever.
“I have always said it would take two to three years to consider OLED TV. But now when little progress has been made on its tricky production and high costs since our suspension back in 2013, I wouldn’t say OLED is our future direction,” he told reporters at the company’s headquarters in Suwon, Gyeonggi Province.
OLED boasts more accurate and vibrant picture quality compared to conventional liquid-crystal displays. Despite its increasing usage in smartphones and other smaller devices, its TV adoption has been delayed due to the higher costs of production and lower manufacturing yields of the larger panels.
Samsung is a market leader in smaller OLED. It has recently inked a deal with Appel to supply OLED screens for next-generation iPhones.
But when it comes to TVs, Samsung has poured more resources into improving the quality of LCD TVs. Especially its latest SUHD TVs feature the quantum dot technology that uses tiny particles that emit a different color of light depending on size.
“It is also likely that new technology like quantum dot could progress faster than OLED,” he said.
Samsung claims that its quantum dot TV already outpaces current OLED TVs in terms of picture quality and brightness, even though it is still disputable which display is the better display technology.
Currently, its archrival LG Electronics is a market leader in OLED TVs. Last year, Samsung was the biggest TV maker with a market share of 27.5 percent in terms of revenue. But the company now sees less profits as prices continue to fall due to cheaper products from Chinese rivals. The company said it would beef up premium products to restore profits. On its home turf, sales of the latest quantum dot TVs have increased more than 40 percent compared to last year’s models. The company plans to launch the TV models in Europe and Brazil in the coming months in line with the regions’ big sports events such as the Euro 2016 and the Rio Summer Olympics in August.
“Starting this year, the quantum dot TVs are being launched globally. We will become the No. 1 TV maker for the 11th consecutive year,” Kim said.
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#5267103 Posted on: 05/05/2016 02:55 AM
LG's 2016 OLED TVs are actually friggin' great.
Don't know what people are complaining about.
Read the conclusion if you're a TLDR; kind'a guy: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oled55e6-201604274285.htm
LG's 2016 OLED TVs are actually friggin' great.
Don't know what people are complaining about.
Read the conclusion if you're a TLDR; kind'a guy: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oled55e6-201604274285.htm
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#5267115 Posted on: 05/05/2016 03:29 AM
LG's 2016 OLED TVs are actually friggin' great.
Don't know what people are complaining about.
Read the conclusion if you're a TLDR; kind'a guy: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oled55e6-201604274285.htm
The prices and the fact there all huge tv there are no sub 50in that i aware of
LG's 2016 OLED TVs are actually friggin' great.
Don't know what people are complaining about.
Read the conclusion if you're a TLDR; kind'a guy: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oled55e6-201604274285.htm
The prices and the fact there all huge tv there are no sub 50in that i aware of
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#5267127 Posted on: 05/05/2016 04:35 AM
I have the LG 55EA8800 OLED, and all I will say is that I would take it over any LCD any day. Had it Professionally calibrated. Picture quality is stunning. I also have a LG 55LE8500 which was top of the line back in its day and had Full Array Backlit. My OLED blows it away.
I have the LG 55EA8800 OLED, and all I will say is that I would take it over any LCD any day. Had it Professionally calibrated. Picture quality is stunning. I also have a LG 55LE8500 which was top of the line back in its day and had Full Array Backlit. My OLED blows it away.
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#5267136 Posted on: 05/05/2016 04:58 AM
man I'm just so tired of LCD, and they just keep milking it with new brand names and crap, every time I look at my phone with my monitor or tv behind I just wanna throw that grey thing away and put like 6 oled tablets in eyefinity instead lol
burn-in seems to be no problem unless you have retarded software, so I don't see that as an excuse, just look at lumias and their glance feature, I've yet to find any burn in with it running 24-7, the w10 taskbar could do some color shifting from time to time to avoid burn ins too
Damn, I guess this means my next monitor will still be an LCD...
man I'm just so tired of LCD, and they just keep milking it with new brand names and crap, every time I look at my phone with my monitor or tv behind I just wanna throw that grey thing away and put like 6 oled tablets in eyefinity instead lol
burn-in seems to be no problem unless you have retarded software, so I don't see that as an excuse, just look at lumias and their glance feature, I've yet to find any burn in with it running 24-7, the w10 taskbar could do some color shifting from time to time to avoid burn ins too
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#5267156 Posted on: 05/05/2016 07:22 AM
I said Spyder because I own a Spyder from long time ago and it just happens to be the device I use to calibrate with. And I know what DispCAL is. Rtings show pre and post calibrated results for their reviews. The precalibrated results for LG's OLED TV's are definitely over-saturated. And yes, I know that contrast boosts the perceived saturation values of colors.
My knowledge of OLED's come from last years models, which at 50% ABL had a brightness of 250 -- my 8500 is 365 by comparison. I don't pretend to be a resident expert, but I do think I know a little bit more then the average person, who just comes in here and says "I want a OLED Monitor" not knowing anything about the drawbacks of OLED, especially with static images.
250 nits is 2.5x higher than what a calibration targets and is still as bright or brighter than 95% of LCD's that have been made. It does not have issues in a bright room unless you have a flood light pointed at it. Also, when youre 8500 is set to a backlight level that actually does 365 nits, your blacks at at more 1/10th of a nit. I'll take 250 nits with excellent blacks anyday, dark room or not.
Also, rtings posts pre-calibration and post calibration reports. And guess what? the 2015 OLED's weren't oversaturated in either case, and were actually under a dE of 3 even prior to calibration.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/ef9500
Stop spreading misinformation. We know you like your Samsung LCD, but pretending like it's even in the same league as an OLED is a total joke.
I said Spyder because I own a Spyder from long time ago and it just happens to be the device I use to calibrate with. And I know what DispCAL is. Rtings show pre and post calibrated results for their reviews. The precalibrated results for LG's OLED TV's are definitely over-saturated. And yes, I know that contrast boosts the perceived saturation values of colors.
My knowledge of OLED's come from last years models, which at 50% ABL had a brightness of 250 -- my 8500 is 365 by comparison. I don't pretend to be a resident expert, but I do think I know a little bit more then the average person, who just comes in here and says "I want a OLED Monitor" not knowing anything about the drawbacks of OLED, especially with static images.
250 nits is 2.5x higher than what a calibration targets and is still as bright or brighter than 95% of LCD's that have been made. It does not have issues in a bright room unless you have a flood light pointed at it. Also, when youre 8500 is set to a backlight level that actually does 365 nits, your blacks at at more 1/10th of a nit. I'll take 250 nits with excellent blacks anyday, dark room or not.
Also, rtings posts pre-calibration and post calibration reports. And guess what? the 2015 OLED's weren't oversaturated in either case, and were actually under a dE of 3 even prior to calibration.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/ef9500
Stop spreading misinformation. We know you like your Samsung LCD, but pretending like it's even in the same league as an OLED is a total joke.
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#5267167 Posted on: 05/05/2016 08:29 AM
I love OLED. When I demo a unit at a shop against LCD, it simply blows everything else away and I get that inch to dip into the emergency fund for a curved 4k screen!
Even if consumers says there is burning within 5 years, I think it is still worth it. I have my PC hooked up to my 8 year old HD LCD TV and use it everyday. It now has a screen issue with backlighting thanks to kids tossing all kinds of objects at it but even if I had OLED, I would enjoy every second of a glorious panel vs one that lasts longer but does not look as good.
I personally do NOT watch TV. I watch movies, game and use my TV as a monitor so perhaps I am in a different market segment. Same for kids. Stream cartoons since we do have to pay for cartoon network here which costs more for that channel than internet access! Could really care less how the quality of how NEWS looks on OLED vs LCD since we mostly listen to it. If I want QHD, I just stream that video off the internet instead. If we wanted in depth stories, we read books instead since today's media is mainly propaganda and trash news.
Kids do their homework on my game PC and use the big old HDTV as their monitor. Less eyestrain just based on size alone and when they draw, I rather have them do their art homework on beautiful screen they would enjoy vs a lower price one. They do photo searches to put together stories so it would even look better on OLED with QHD content. That little artist in training enjoys their work more on a capable device.
I am super tight on money - low income, family, but as something that I and family would use everyday, I feel a superior quality TV would be worth it in the long run. Games would look brilliant and my kids thinks they are watching a movie ... horror movie with all the guns blazing and guts flying out.
No one I know says they enjoy lower quality due to pricing after they have made a purchase. They would complain it didn't work or not meet exceptions more than price.
Not saying the Samsungs are bad. My family members owns 3 but when I see the LG OLED next to any Samsung, it really looks a level better.
I need to win the lottery for one or keep saving.
I love OLED. When I demo a unit at a shop against LCD, it simply blows everything else away and I get that inch to dip into the emergency fund for a curved 4k screen!
Even if consumers says there is burning within 5 years, I think it is still worth it. I have my PC hooked up to my 8 year old HD LCD TV and use it everyday. It now has a screen issue with backlighting thanks to kids tossing all kinds of objects at it but even if I had OLED, I would enjoy every second of a glorious panel vs one that lasts longer but does not look as good.
I personally do NOT watch TV. I watch movies, game and use my TV as a monitor so perhaps I am in a different market segment. Same for kids. Stream cartoons since we do have to pay for cartoon network here which costs more for that channel than internet access! Could really care less how the quality of how NEWS looks on OLED vs LCD since we mostly listen to it. If I want QHD, I just stream that video off the internet instead. If we wanted in depth stories, we read books instead since today's media is mainly propaganda and trash news.
Kids do their homework on my game PC and use the big old HDTV as their monitor. Less eyestrain just based on size alone and when they draw, I rather have them do their art homework on beautiful screen they would enjoy vs a lower price one. They do photo searches to put together stories so it would even look better on OLED with QHD content. That little artist in training enjoys their work more on a capable device.
I am super tight on money - low income, family, but as something that I and family would use everyday, I feel a superior quality TV would be worth it in the long run. Games would look brilliant and my kids thinks they are watching a movie ... horror movie with all the guns blazing and guts flying out.
No one I know says they enjoy lower quality due to pricing after they have made a purchase. They would complain it didn't work or not meet exceptions more than price.
Not saying the Samsungs are bad. My family members owns 3 but when I see the LG OLED next to any Samsung, it really looks a level better.
I need to win the lottery for one or keep saving.
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#5267205 Posted on: 05/05/2016 10:57 AM
Even on phones it is very common to see panel uniformity issue, the vast majority if units ive seen from S2 all the way to the current S7 have uniformity issues. May it be retail or demo units.
Even on phones it is very common to see panel uniformity issue, the vast majority if units ive seen from S2 all the way to the current S7 have uniformity issues. May it be retail or demo units.
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#5267266 Posted on: 05/05/2016 01:51 PM
250 nits is 2.5x higher than what a calibration targets and is still as bright or brighter than 95% of LCD's that have been made. It does not have issues in a bright room unless you have a flood light pointed at it. Also, when youre 8500 is set to a backlight level that actually does 365 nits, your blacks at at more 1/10th of a nit. I'll take 250 nits with excellent blacks anyday, dark room or not.
Also, rtings posts pre-calibration and post calibration reports. And guess what? the 2015 OLED's weren't oversaturated in either case, and were actually under a dE of 3 even prior to calibration.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/ef9500
Stop spreading misinformation. We know you like your Samsung LCD, but pretending like it's even in the same league as an OLED is a total joke.
I actually don't like my Samsung. I hate the silver bezel, I hate the software, and I have slight clouding in the lower left corner. That being said, I still think it's better than the LG OLED I looked at, for the reasons I mentioned. It's just an opinion man, you don't gotta get all bent over it.
Even on phones it is very common to see panel uniformity issue, the vast majority if units ive seen from S2 all the way to the current S7 have uniformity issues. May it be retail or demo units.
I had to go through two N6P's until I found one that didn't have green/pink hue to it. The tolerances on the Samsung units seem to be a little more strict, I guess they sell their lower level panels to other OEMs.
But yeah, I still see mura/uniformity issues in current gen amoled panels, it's not as bad as it used to be though.
250 nits is 2.5x higher than what a calibration targets and is still as bright or brighter than 95% of LCD's that have been made. It does not have issues in a bright room unless you have a flood light pointed at it. Also, when youre 8500 is set to a backlight level that actually does 365 nits, your blacks at at more 1/10th of a nit. I'll take 250 nits with excellent blacks anyday, dark room or not.
Also, rtings posts pre-calibration and post calibration reports. And guess what? the 2015 OLED's weren't oversaturated in either case, and were actually under a dE of 3 even prior to calibration.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/ef9500
Stop spreading misinformation. We know you like your Samsung LCD, but pretending like it's even in the same league as an OLED is a total joke.
I actually don't like my Samsung. I hate the silver bezel, I hate the software, and I have slight clouding in the lower left corner. That being said, I still think it's better than the LG OLED I looked at, for the reasons I mentioned. It's just an opinion man, you don't gotta get all bent over it.
Even on phones it is very common to see panel uniformity issue, the vast majority if units ive seen from S2 all the way to the current S7 have uniformity issues. May it be retail or demo units.
I had to go through two N6P's until I found one that didn't have green/pink hue to it. The tolerances on the Samsung units seem to be a little more strict, I guess they sell their lower level panels to other OEMs.
But yeah, I still see mura/uniformity issues in current gen amoled panels, it's not as bad as it used to be though.
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#5267297 Posted on: 05/05/2016 03:23 PM
I don't believe these story's , when Samsung and LG where throwing law suits at each other back in 2013 over LCD and OLED patents, Samsung all of a sudden stopped large screen OLED production. Samsung is not the kind of company to hold off on alternate models of technology. Anything that can make a profit. It's a fact that if Samsung was selling OLED tv's that would be making a profit on that division.
This is all down to patents and Samsung not wanting to pay loyalties, much bigger story at play behind the scenes as to why Samsung pulled its OLED tv's from the market. OLED has its issues yes, but it is the future.
Don't expect to hear the truth from a company like Samsung
http://www.cnet.com/news/lg-says-white-oled-gives-it-ten-years-on-tv-competition
I don't believe these story's , when Samsung and LG where throwing law suits at each other back in 2013 over LCD and OLED patents, Samsung all of a sudden stopped large screen OLED production. Samsung is not the kind of company to hold off on alternate models of technology. Anything that can make a profit. It's a fact that if Samsung was selling OLED tv's that would be making a profit on that division.
This is all down to patents and Samsung not wanting to pay loyalties, much bigger story at play behind the scenes as to why Samsung pulled its OLED tv's from the market. OLED has its issues yes, but it is the future.
Don't expect to hear the truth from a company like Samsung
http://www.cnet.com/news/lg-says-white-oled-gives-it-ten-years-on-tv-competition
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#5267428 Posted on: 05/05/2016 07:19 PM
That's 6 years old 1080p TV (original MSRP $2700). How can that compete with TV with original MSRP $8500? LG had that 85" 4k OLED at $17000 MSRP.
That kind of investment... You can as well build yourself Ultra-Wide Projector room with six 1080p projectors doing 6480x1920 pixels at fraction of those sums. Or 360° projection room at some crazy high resolution.
Proper questions for competition are:
What's best non-OLED TV in price of OLED TV?
What percentage of TVs are sold in price range of OLEDs?
LG's 55EG910V goes for ~$2000, it is 1080p at 55".
At that price you can have 4k passive 3D, 1800Hz interpolation and all stuff that OLED has + 65".
I have the LG 55EA8800 OLED, and all I will say is that I would take it over any LCD any day. Had it Professionally calibrated. Picture quality is stunning. I also have a LG 55LE8500 which was top of the line back in its day and had Full Array Backlit. My OLED blows it away.
That's 6 years old 1080p TV (original MSRP $2700). How can that compete with TV with original MSRP $8500? LG had that 85" 4k OLED at $17000 MSRP.
That kind of investment... You can as well build yourself Ultra-Wide Projector room with six 1080p projectors doing 6480x1920 pixels at fraction of those sums. Or 360° projection room at some crazy high resolution.
Proper questions for competition are:
What's best non-OLED TV in price of OLED TV?
What percentage of TVs are sold in price range of OLEDs?
LG's 55EG910V goes for ~$2000, it is 1080p at 55".
At that price you can have 4k passive 3D, 1800Hz interpolation and all stuff that OLED has + 65".
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#5267757 Posted on: 05/06/2016 10:11 AM
Sounds like we a plum screwed. LCD technology really hasn't improved all that much either.
They keep adding gimmicks and features to make it seem better or new. Pushing new things to try and reinvigorate sales of TV sets (4K, HDR).
Sounds like we a plum screwed. LCD technology really hasn't improved all that much either.
They keep adding gimmicks and features to make it seem better or new. Pushing new things to try and reinvigorate sales of TV sets (4K, HDR).
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>< the Oled wait continues?
Does this mean Samsung is gona go quantum dot technology on all the TV's or just there "S" series?
Less the fiqure out how to stop motion blur to the point of were it MATCHES CRT's with out using the fake hz ****, I still want OLED's