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Samsung power outage causes up to 60,000 wafers damaged for NAND flash memory
Samsung experiences a power outage, and in the process damaged NAND memory wafers. On the 9th of March this year, the plant in Pyeongtaek, South Korea, lost power for about 30 minutes. Good for a 3.5% of the global NAND flash supply in March.
Taiwanese website TechNews reports that 50,000 to 60,000 wafers have been damaged reports myce, that's 11% of Samsung’s NAND flash memory production for March. Samsung is said to have sufficient inventory of NAND flash chips. The NAND flash memory market suffers from a slight oversupply which means lower memory contract prices for NAND manufacturers, according to DRAMeXchange.
The oversupply is caused by traditional lower demand at the beginning of the year and because NAND manufacturers are getting better in producing 3D NAND chips, which means higher yields.
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#5528375 Posted on: 03/15/2018 07:50 AM
Wheres my tinfoil hat....
Wheres my tinfoil hat....
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#5528377 Posted on: 03/15/2018 07:55 AM
Funny thing is.. That We always need to pay.. for other people mistakes...
Funny thing is.. That We always need to pay.. for other people mistakes...
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#5528407 Posted on: 03/15/2018 10:37 AM
Someone said something about this in previous threads
)) of wafer shortage ! This is just ridiculous
Someone said something about this in previous threads
)) of wafer shortage ! This is just ridiculous
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#5528457 Posted on: 03/15/2018 02:13 PM
just stop buying overpriced crap and prices will fall.
Funny thing is.. That We always need to pay.. for other people mistakes...
just stop buying overpriced crap and prices will fall.
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#5528459 Posted on: 03/15/2018 02:17 PM
Not always.
just stop buying overpriced crap and prices will fall.
Not always.
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#5528483 Posted on: 03/15/2018 03:49 PM
That's because your average consumer doesn't care for price if it needs the good.
But seriously, a top of the art samsung fab doesn't have a backup?
Not always.
That's because your average consumer doesn't care for price if it needs the good.
But seriously, a top of the art samsung fab doesn't have a backup?
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#5528484 Posted on: 03/15/2018 03:49 PM
Meh.... Good thing I'm set for at least 2 years with my current build (likely 4-5 years as I don't play a lot of really demanding games right now).
That's because your average consumer doesn't care for price if it needs the good.
But seriously, a top of the art samsung fab doesn't have a backup?
Depends on the cause of the outage. If the problem happened in the facility then a backup power source like a backup generator would not matter. Plus the switch over to backup could cause the damage as well. Electricity is a fickle mistress.
Meh.... Good thing I'm set for at least 2 years with my current build (likely 4-5 years as I don't play a lot of really demanding games right now).
That's because your average consumer doesn't care for price if it needs the good.
But seriously, a top of the art samsung fab doesn't have a backup?
Depends on the cause of the outage. If the problem happened in the facility then a backup power source like a backup generator would not matter. Plus the switch over to backup could cause the damage as well. Electricity is a fickle mistress.
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#5528499 Posted on: 03/15/2018 04:11 PM
Samsung PR: What can we do to improve NAND sales and profits?
Samsung CEO: Let's damage ours NAND supplies and join cryptocurrency bandwagon. Other companies increased their annual revenue by 200% by selling less. No worries we did similar things in the past, no once will catch us. And if they do it'll be too late or we'll just bribe them
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But seriuosly, don't they have backup generators for critical production lines or insurrence that would cover the loss?
Samsung is said to have sufficient inventory of NAND flash chips. The NAND flash memory market suffers from a slight oversupply which means lower memory contract prices for NAND manufacturers, according to DRAMeXchange.
Samsung PR: What can we do to improve NAND sales and profits?
Samsung CEO: Let's damage ours NAND supplies and join cryptocurrency bandwagon. Other companies increased their annual revenue by 200% by selling less. No worries we did similar things in the past, no once will catch us. And if they do it'll be too late or we'll just bribe them
.But seriuosly, don't they have backup generators for critical production lines or insurrence that would cover the loss?
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#5528503 Posted on: 03/15/2018 04:17 PM
Yup... a very obvious lie to keep prices inflated.
Yup... a very obvious lie to keep prices inflated.
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#5528523 Posted on: 03/15/2018 04:49 PM
Oh they probably got insurance, and as the OP says, they have expected lower demands at the start of the year anyhow, with abundant supplies on store. They are just trying to grab a bit more cash I think
But seriuosly, don't they have backup generators for critical production lines or insurrence that would cover the loss?
Oh they probably got insurance, and as the OP says, they have expected lower demands at the start of the year anyhow, with abundant supplies on store. They are just trying to grab a bit more cash I think
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#5528533 Posted on: 03/15/2018 05:08 PM
soooo, if 3.5% of March total production = 30 minutes, they can satisfy the whole demand in march in less than one day? Good to know. I wonder what they make rest of the time....Crystal Meth?
soooo, if 3.5% of March total production = 30 minutes, they can satisfy the whole demand in march in less than one day? Good to know. I wonder what they make rest of the time....Crystal Meth?
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#5528543 Posted on: 03/15/2018 05:17 PM
Let's have a moment of silence for the 60,000 NAND wafers that died.
Let's have a moment of silence for the 60,000 NAND wafers that died.
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#5528570 Posted on: 03/15/2018 06:04 PM
That's because your average consumer doesn't care for price if it needs the good.
But seriously, a top of the art samsung fab doesn't have a backup?
such power-critical-fabs like that should even have their own power generator
if not redundant with dedicated line from power-company
so i am guessing its more electrical failure at the fabs
probably something shorting causing in fabs electrical break-down
like in your house, when there is eletronic shorting, then circuit breaker drop the power-line
That's because your average consumer doesn't care for price if it needs the good.
But seriously, a top of the art samsung fab doesn't have a backup?
such power-critical-fabs like that should even have their own power generator
if not redundant with dedicated line from power-company
so i am guessing its more electrical failure at the fabs
probably something shorting causing in fabs electrical break-down
like in your house, when there is eletronic shorting, then circuit breaker drop the power-line
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#5528592 Posted on: 03/15/2018 07:15 PM
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.........!!!!
Just when am I going to be able to build another PC for a "decent" price on some new parts....?!?!
Only buy new so as to get that warranty treatment..., but these prices as of late will make mofo's hurt someone for a deal...
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.........!!!!
Just when am I going to be able to build another PC for a "decent" price on some new parts....?!?!
Only buy new so as to get that warranty treatment..., but these prices as of late will make mofo's hurt someone for a deal...
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I got to laugh, just an hour ago in another thread I read this:
GPU shortage due to mining => Increase in price
GPU shortage due to ram modules => Increase in price
RAM shortage due to ram modules => Increase in price
CPU shortage due to wafers => Increase in price
The only thing needed now is for something to happen to nand flash to skyrocket SSD prices as well.
I know they won't sky rocket, but it's amazing...