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Will it finally happen? Samsung supposedly has been showing prototypes of OLED TVs in of 55 "and 65" sizes. The new OLED screens would use blue OLEDs combined with red and green color filters based on Quantum Dot technology, in essence making this a QD-OLED display.
If you can remember it, Samsung in the past already had offered OLED for TVs screens but halted production due to issues with the technology. They fabbed them with RGB subpixels, however, over time the color balance deteriorated because the subpixels do not degrade equally. Samsungs main competition, LG, bypasses that effect by using white OLEDs and then applying color filters, it's however patented technology so only LG may fab these. That is the main reason why you only see LG OLED TVs, or OLED TVs from other brands based on an LG panel. Samsungs new technology will not make use of a white OLED, but it invokes blue colored OLED with red and green filters. Combined with what is referred to as Quantum Dot Color Filter (QDCF).
The prototypes apparently have been shown at CES, however, they are not yet ready for prime time reports tweakers via reports eetimes. QD-OLED method can potentially produce even thinner and lighter TVs compared to the current Quantum Dot panels that are commercially available. The number of components is reduced, it is also possible to improve the viewing angle and response time, which are a limitation of regular LCD TV. The main thing, of course, would be the exceptional contrast ratio as black is black, an OLED pixel disables itself with the color black). Next, to that, no bleeding or clouding would be present as well. Samsung new screens would be preparing QD-OLED in 55-inch and 65-inch sizes. The product prototype was unveiled at CES 2018 where it showed the new technology in a private room.
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#5521956 Posted on: 02/22/2018 11:42 AM
Lol
I wonder when are they going to release computer screens with that technology.
Lol
I wonder when are they going to release computer screens with that technology.
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#5521980 Posted on: 02/22/2018 12:53 PM
It's great tech, but in its infancy - far too expensive.
I'm sure in 2-3 years it will become more widely available with decent prices and larger variety.
It's great tech, but in its infancy - far too expensive.
I'm sure in 2-3 years it will become more widely available with decent prices and larger variety.
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#5521991 Posted on: 02/22/2018 01:44 PM
Lol
I wonder when are they going to release computer screens with that technology.
Me too. For now it seems like a workaround of LG's tech, and I don't see any reasons why it is superior. I however really like that LG is getting some competition now which should have an effect on pricing. By the time I can finally afford a rig that handles 4K@60fps without problems on the newest titles, it will be interesting to see if the market has made 32" 4K HDR oled monitors affordable yet.
Lol
I wonder when are they going to release computer screens with that technology.
Me too. For now it seems like a workaround of LG's tech, and I don't see any reasons why it is superior. I however really like that LG is getting some competition now which should have an effect on pricing. By the time I can finally afford a rig that handles 4K@60fps without problems on the newest titles, it will be interesting to see if the market has made 32" 4K HDR oled monitors affordable yet.
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#5521998 Posted on: 02/22/2018 02:12 PM
Lol
I wonder when are they going to release computer screens with that technology.
Probably a while still: https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
I know they sell OLED monitors now but I wouldn't buy one. LG's latest TV's (I have a C7 myself) burn in with static content after about 6 weeks. Granted they run the test for roughly 20 hours a day, but still.. if I'm going to spend $1000+ on a monitor I want to know 100% that I'm not going experience burn-in within a reasonable timeframe. Even with my C7 I find myself getting paranoid when I walk away from it when it's on or playing games on it because of experiences I've read people have with HUD's getting burned in.
They would need to prove to me somehow that the burn-in issue is either resolved completely or resolved enough where they could warranty the panel for at least 3+ years.
Lol
I wonder when are they going to release computer screens with that technology.
Probably a while still: https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
I know they sell OLED monitors now but I wouldn't buy one. LG's latest TV's (I have a C7 myself) burn in with static content after about 6 weeks. Granted they run the test for roughly 20 hours a day, but still.. if I'm going to spend $1000+ on a monitor I want to know 100% that I'm not going experience burn-in within a reasonable timeframe. Even with my C7 I find myself getting paranoid when I walk away from it when it's on or playing games on it because of experiences I've read people have with HUD's getting burned in.
They would need to prove to me somehow that the burn-in issue is either resolved completely or resolved enough where they could warranty the panel for at least 3+ years.
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#5521999 Posted on: 02/22/2018 02:13 PM
Lol
I wonder when are they going to release computer screens with that technology.
Maybe if/when OLED burn in problem is resolved. And yes, it is a real problem, despite what some who are trying to sweep it under the rug are claiming. This issue is even more relevant for PC monitors because you have a lot of static elements which might be visible for hours on end.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
EDIT: LOL Denial posted same link at almost exact same moment, what are the odds.
Lol
I wonder when are they going to release computer screens with that technology.
Maybe if/when OLED burn in problem is resolved. And yes, it is a real problem, despite what some who are trying to sweep it under the rug are claiming. This issue is even more relevant for PC monitors because you have a lot of static elements which might be visible for hours on end.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
EDIT: LOL Denial posted same link at almost exact same moment, what are the odds.
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#5522020 Posted on: 02/22/2018 04:06 PM
Probably a while still: https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
I know they sell OLED monitors now but I wouldn't buy one. LG's latest TV's (I have a C7 myself) burn in with static content after about 6 weeks. Granted they run the test for roughly 20 hours a day, but still.. if I'm going to spend $1000+ on a monitor I want to know 100% that I'm not going experience burn-in within a reasonable timeframe. Even with my C7 I find myself getting paranoid when I walk away from it when it's on or playing games on it because of experiences I've read people have with HUD's getting burned in.
They would need to prove to me somehow that the burn-in issue is either resolved completely or resolved enough where they could warranty the panel for at least 3+ years.
I suppose this could be a return for screen savers!
Probably a while still: https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
I know they sell OLED monitors now but I wouldn't buy one. LG's latest TV's (I have a C7 myself) burn in with static content after about 6 weeks. Granted they run the test for roughly 20 hours a day, but still.. if I'm going to spend $1000+ on a monitor I want to know 100% that I'm not going experience burn-in within a reasonable timeframe. Even with my C7 I find myself getting paranoid when I walk away from it when it's on or playing games on it because of experiences I've read people have with HUD's getting burned in.
They would need to prove to me somehow that the burn-in issue is either resolved completely or resolved enough where they could warranty the panel for at least 3+ years.
I suppose this could be a return for screen savers!
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#5522039 Posted on: 02/22/2018 05:54 PM
Samsung is using their own QD technology with OLED and that's somehow a workaround to LG's solution? Dafuq?
Not only does Samsung's QDCF tech differ from LG's own filters, you also have a blue instead of white backlight meaning you can rely on the backlight itself to produce the blue hues. That's a significant difference as they'll be using 2 filters to simulate the entire colour spectrum, not 3.
If you wanna play the workaround game, point your finger towards both panels; they merely have a single-color OLED backlight as opposed to the RGB OLEDs we have in our phones.
Me too. For now it seems like a workaround of LG's tech, and I don't see any reasons why it is superior.
Samsung is using their own QD technology with OLED and that's somehow a workaround to LG's solution? Dafuq?
Not only does Samsung's QDCF tech differ from LG's own filters, you also have a blue instead of white backlight meaning you can rely on the backlight itself to produce the blue hues. That's a significant difference as they'll be using 2 filters to simulate the entire colour spectrum, not 3.
If you wanna play the workaround game, point your finger towards both panels; they merely have a single-color OLED backlight as opposed to the RGB OLEDs we have in our phones.
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#5522042 Posted on: 02/22/2018 05:57 PM
i think this is desperate and ill-advised. ill-advised because of the overabundance of high frequency light (blue), people are already finding it necessary to wear yellow filter glasses for computer monitors. add to the fact that most households to purhase will have children with far more sensitive eyes. we will go back in time to when CRT tv's emitted microwaves, forcing people to sit at least six feet away.
this is desperate because of the other players in the field being more advanced.
i think this is desperate and ill-advised. ill-advised because of the overabundance of high frequency light (blue), people are already finding it necessary to wear yellow filter glasses for computer monitors. add to the fact that most households to purhase will have children with far more sensitive eyes. we will go back in time to when CRT tv's emitted microwaves, forcing people to sit at least six feet away.
this is desperate because of the other players in the field being more advanced.
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#5522048 Posted on: 02/22/2018 06:26 PM
Lol, no doubt.
Honestly, they gave up on Oled because LG wrecked them big time with life span. Seems that this sort of Filtering thing is a gimmick so Sammy can say they have Oled TV's too since quantum dot isn't taking off.
Myself as a consumer just wants SUHD tv's that are not in the premium price bracket, oh ya and standard 120Hz or adaptive refresh rates. It's unfortunate that TV's lack innovation such that those options are mostly with held, not due to accessibility, but just to form a pricing hierarchy.
Is it too much to give the consume what they want so they can spend their money instead of more of the same .... gimmicks?
.....along with a Quantum hole in consumers wallets. :p
Lol, no doubt.
Honestly, they gave up on Oled because LG wrecked them big time with life span. Seems that this sort of Filtering thing is a gimmick so Sammy can say they have Oled TV's too since quantum dot isn't taking off.
Myself as a consumer just wants SUHD tv's that are not in the premium price bracket, oh ya and standard 120Hz or adaptive refresh rates. It's unfortunate that TV's lack innovation such that those options are mostly with held, not due to accessibility, but just to form a pricing hierarchy.
Is it too much to give the consume what they want so they can spend their money instead of more of the same .... gimmicks?
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#5522050 Posted on: 02/22/2018 06:35 PM
Lol, no doubt.
Honestly, they gave up on Oled because LG wrecked them big time with life span. Seems that this sort of Filtering thing is a gimmick so Sammy can say they have Oled TV's too since quantum dot isn't taking off.
Myself as a consumer just wants SUHD tv's that are not in the premium price bracket, oh ya and standard 120Hz or adaptive refresh rates. It's unfortunate that TV's lack innovation such that those options are mostly with held, not due to accessibility, but just to form a pricing hierarchy.
Is it too much to give the consume what they want so they can spend their money instead of more of the same .... gimmicks?
Uh, all LG OLED TV's do color filtering... also their advantage isn't lifespan, it's owning the patent on the white OLED - which they bought from Kodak. AMOLED tech doesn't scale to TV sizes so Samsung is stuck coming up with a different solution.
Lol, no doubt.
Honestly, they gave up on Oled because LG wrecked them big time with life span. Seems that this sort of Filtering thing is a gimmick so Sammy can say they have Oled TV's too since quantum dot isn't taking off.
Myself as a consumer just wants SUHD tv's that are not in the premium price bracket, oh ya and standard 120Hz or adaptive refresh rates. It's unfortunate that TV's lack innovation such that those options are mostly with held, not due to accessibility, but just to form a pricing hierarchy.
Is it too much to give the consume what they want so they can spend their money instead of more of the same .... gimmicks?
Uh, all LG OLED TV's do color filtering... also their advantage isn't lifespan, it's owning the patent on the white OLED - which they bought from Kodak. AMOLED tech doesn't scale to TV sizes so Samsung is stuck coming up with a different solution.
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#5522051 Posted on: 02/22/2018 06:41 PM
i think this is desperate and ill-advised. ill-advised because of the overabundance of high frequency light (blue), people are already finding it necessary to wear yellow filter glasses for computer monitors. add to the fact that most households to purhase will have children with far more sensitive eyes. we will go back in time to when CRT tv's emitted microwaves, forcing people to sit at least six feet away.
this is desperate because of the other players in the field being more advanced.
What.. Why does the base light frequency matter, you're filtering it to create other frequencies (colours) anyway..?
Desperate? Having more competition in the OLED market is desperate, considering how few players there are? Good lord.
Literally nothing you said makes any sense.
Is it too much to give the consume what they want so they can spend their money instead of more of the same .... gimmicks?
Gimmicks? Have you ever seen an OLED screen?
i think this is desperate and ill-advised. ill-advised because of the overabundance of high frequency light (blue), people are already finding it necessary to wear yellow filter glasses for computer monitors. add to the fact that most households to purhase will have children with far more sensitive eyes. we will go back in time to when CRT tv's emitted microwaves, forcing people to sit at least six feet away.
this is desperate because of the other players in the field being more advanced.
What.. Why does the base light frequency matter, you're filtering it to create other frequencies (colours) anyway..?
Desperate? Having more competition in the OLED market is desperate, considering how few players there are? Good lord.
Literally nothing you said makes any sense.
Is it too much to give the consume what they want so they can spend their money instead of more of the same .... gimmicks?
Gimmicks? Have you ever seen an OLED screen?
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#5522169 Posted on: 02/23/2018 01:25 AM
It should cut costs as LG won't be the only option on the market.
.....along with a Quantum hole in consumers wallets. :p
It should cut costs as LG won't be the only option on the market.
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#5522443 Posted on: 02/23/2018 09:20 PM
What.. Why does the base light frequency matter, you're filtering it to create other frequencies (colours) anyway..?
Desperate? Having more competition in the OLED market is desperate, considering how few players there are? Good lord.
Literally nothing you said makes any sense.
Gimmicks? Have you ever seen an OLED screen?
yes i have an oled screen from LG.
it is the best tv i've ever owned.
red and green filters do little to block the overdriven (if Samsung's history is noticed) blue.
period
if you're going to throw darts at least be accurate and knowledgeable about the topic. i've built CRT monitors from parts and worked for the company that made the best reviewed TV ever made for over 16 years.
but ok, knock yourself out
What.. Why does the base light frequency matter, you're filtering it to create other frequencies (colours) anyway..?
Desperate? Having more competition in the OLED market is desperate, considering how few players there are? Good lord.
Literally nothing you said makes any sense.
Gimmicks? Have you ever seen an OLED screen?
yes i have an oled screen from LG.
it is the best tv i've ever owned.
red and green filters do little to block the overdriven (if Samsung's history is noticed) blue.
period
if you're going to throw darts at least be accurate and knowledgeable about the topic. i've built CRT monitors from parts and worked for the company that made the best reviewed TV ever made for over 16 years.
but ok, knock yourself out
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#5522454 Posted on: 02/23/2018 09:55 PM
oled and plasma *panels* are *the only* technologies with 100% light transmission and control *per pixel*.
LCD panels are *screens* by definition.
whatever light that is not filtered through *is greater* than what gel/color/paint on the inside can absorb and results in "bleeding", "prismatic effects", terrible color balance - universally too fake white with no control over pitch - even in "local dimming" lcds.
think of it as light pollution...like why there are no cutting edge observatories within hundreds of miles from cities.
oled and plasma *panels* are *the only* technologies with 100% light transmission and control *per pixel*.
LCD panels are *screens* by definition.
whatever light that is not filtered through *is greater* than what gel/color/paint on the inside can absorb and results in "bleeding", "prismatic effects", terrible color balance - universally too fake white with no control over pitch - even in "local dimming" lcds.
think of it as light pollution...like why there are no cutting edge observatories within hundreds of miles from cities.
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.....along with a Quantum hole in consumers wallets. :p