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Samsung and Chinese government likely to sign agreement in effort the lower DRAM prices
It's kind of awkward to see that the Chinese government is involved in this and needs to be involved in this, but hey it's a good thing. The DRAMeXchange reports that Samsung and the Chinese government will be signing a 'memorandum of understanding', to protect dram prices, and to keep them within acceptable ranges pricing wise.
As you guys all know, Dram products like graphics memory, but also DDR4 memory for your PC have sky-rocketed compared to roughly two years ago. in the example below you can see precisely that, it's a Ripjaws DDR4 kit (16GB) which could be purchased for 75 EUR/USD back in 2015. That same kit now sells for almost 190 EUR/USD.
The Chinese government regulated NDRC prior to the new year announced an investigation. The NDRC is responsible, among other things, for macroeconomic management, under the Chinese State Council. Since a lot of stuff with a chip fabbed in it is basically manufactured in China, here is where that dram shortage is felt the most (Chinese companies that require DRAM to fan computer parts), ergo the increased dram prices could have a long-term effect on the Asia region economy.
This is why the NDRC is now proactively intervening. Samsung is one of the bigger dram producing and utilizing companies, so should be signing that memorandum of understanding between the two parties. The agreement covers an increased dram production, with hopefully the effect of lower prices. We can only hope that more parties will join up in this process.
-- DRAMeXchange --
NDRC and Samsung Are Said to Be Signing MOU, which Could Moderate DRAM Price Rises and Accelerate Production Capacity Expansion, Says TrendForce
The climbing prices of DRAM over the past six quarters have added the cost pressures of Chinese smartphone brands. As the result, China’s National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) has expressed concerns to Samsung at the end of 2017. And the intervention is expected to moderate the price increases of mobile DRAM in 1Q18, according to DRAMeXchange, a research division of TrendForce. It is said that Samsung Electronics, backed by the Korean government, is signing a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with NDRC. The MOU is believed to include details of further cooperation in the semiconductor industry, such as expanding the investment in China and technical collaboration.
In recent years, China remains the largest importer of memory chips driven by its domestic and export demands. Therefore, Samsung has to show respect and give a response to the opinions of China. According to Avril Wu, research director of DRAMeXchange, the MOU to be signed may influence the global memory market in the following two aspects.
1. DRAM still faces a tight supply, but the price growth will be moderated
On one hand, for memory products suppliers, current profit of mobile DRAM is much lower than that of other products. Affected by the sluggish demand of smartphones in 1Q18 and the intervention by NDRC, the price growth is expected to be limited. For the future, suppliers may continue to shift their existing production capacity from mobile DRAM to other products with higher gross margin, resulting in fewer price increases of other products as well.
2. Suppliers have a higher possibility to expand production capacity to moderate price increase
On the other hand, in the sector of NAND Flash, the portion of 3D NAND Flash in suppliers’ product mix will continue to increase, which has largely eased the tight supply compared with last year. However, in terms of a DRAM, new bit output has not been available yet, resulting in ongoing undersupply. DRAMeXchange notes that suppliers may be more active in production capacity expansion in the condition that Chinese government intervenes in pricing and suppliers find it hard to lower the costs. Increasing the bit output by production capacity expansion will not only stabilize the price but also allow suppliers to maintain the absolute amount of profit of DRAM products.
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#5518038 Posted on: 02/07/2018 11:10 PM
China->EU->US, 23T$ , 20T$ , 19T$ , from 2017.
China is the second biggest economy giant after the USA, so let's hope this is more than just empty words. It would be great if the USA did something, but I wouldn't personally expect anything from that direction, especially with the billionaire businessman as their president.
China->EU->US, 23T$ , 20T$ , 19T$ , from 2017.
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#5518061 Posted on: 02/08/2018 01:09 AM
CNN called, you're on at 9
China is the second biggest economy giant after the USA, so let's hope this is more than just empty words. It would be great if the USA did something, but I wouldn't personally expect anything from that direction, especially with the billionaire businessman as their president.
CNN called, you're on at 9
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#5518065 Posted on: 02/08/2018 01:36 AM
Fixed Noised called...it's on 24/7
Back on topic....so what is the stick or incentive that China is wielding to get Samsung to do anything?
CNN called, you're on at 9
Fixed Noised called...it's on 24/7
Back on topic....so what is the stick or incentive that China is wielding to get Samsung to do anything?
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#5518067 Posted on: 02/08/2018 02:25 AM
From the article...
"In recent years, China remains the largest importer of memory chips driven by its domestic and export demands."
Would Samsung prefer the Chinese "intervene" in other ways and start pumping out "near identical" silicon (and not just DRAM)?
From the article...
"In recent years, China remains the largest importer of memory chips driven by its domestic and export demands."
Would Samsung prefer the Chinese "intervene" in other ways and start pumping out "near identical" silicon (and not just DRAM)?
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#5518094 Posted on: 02/08/2018 06:37 AM
Ram prices are a joke ATM tho. From 74 $ in May of 2016 to 175-200$ now for 16gb.
Ram prices are a joke ATM tho. From 74 $ in May of 2016 to 175-200$ now for 16gb.
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#5518098 Posted on: 02/08/2018 07:02 AM
Yea^...when you have a htpc sitting beside an xbox one x .....?
keep that $100 ram stick!
Edit: sorry bout the C word.
Ram prices are a joke ATM tho. From 74 $ in May of 2016 to 175-200$ now for 16gb.
Yea^...when you have a htpc sitting beside an xbox one x .....?
keep that $100 ram stick!
Edit: sorry bout the C word.
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#5518099 Posted on: 02/08/2018 07:03 AM
Key phrase here is: "to protect dram prices, and to keep them within acceptable ranges pricing wise."
It should read: "to protect dram prices, and to lower them within acceptable ranges pricing wise."
Oh boy, I hope they aren't trying to "normalize" the current pricing.
Key phrase here is: "to protect dram prices, and to keep them within acceptable ranges pricing wise."
It should read: "to protect dram prices, and to lower them within acceptable ranges pricing wise."
Oh boy, I hope they aren't trying to "normalize" the current pricing.
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#5518103 Posted on: 02/08/2018 07:22 AM
Yea^...when you have a htpc sitting beside an xbox one x .....?
keep that $100 ram stick!
Edit: sorry bout the C word.
Clinton?
Yea^...when you have a htpc sitting beside an xbox one x .....?
keep that $100 ram stick!
Edit: sorry bout the C word.
Clinton?
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#5518106 Posted on: 02/08/2018 07:28 AM
No!...keep guessing.
Clinton?
No!...keep guessing.
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#5518111 Posted on: 02/08/2018 08:02 AM
Yea^...when you have a htpc sitting beside an xbox one x .....?
keep that $100 ram stick!
You were banned from PCMasterRace!
Edit: sorry bout the C word.
You are now moderator of PCMasterRace!
Yea^...when you have a htpc sitting beside an xbox one x .....?
keep that $100 ram stick!
You were banned from PCMasterRace!
Edit: sorry bout the C word.
You are now moderator of PCMasterRace!
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#5518112 Posted on: 02/08/2018 08:03 AM
How on Earth is it related?! Barely hold my laughter at work.
Jesus dude, there should be limit to randomness.
Clinton?
How on Earth is it related?! Barely hold my laughter at work.
Jesus dude, there should be limit to randomness.
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#5518117 Posted on: 02/08/2018 08:24 AM
How on Earth is it related?! Barely hold my laughter at work.
Jesus dude, there should be limit to randomness.
hehe funny how that also works with current hardware prices. Not just C...lintons.
Anyone seeing the next iPhone coming up with just another 100 or 200$ on top for... "matching the rising market prices of supplied internal components"?
How on Earth is it related?! Barely hold my laughter at work.
Jesus dude, there should be limit to randomness.
hehe funny how that also works with current hardware prices. Not just C...lintons.
Anyone seeing the next iPhone coming up with just another 100 or 200$ on top for... "matching the rising market prices of supplied internal components"?
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#5518119 Posted on: 02/08/2018 08:50 AM
How on Earth is it related?! Barely hold my laughter at work.
Jesus dude, there should be limit to randomness.
He said 'sorry about the c word' . I know he's a Hillary hater (who isn't) twas a joke...oh well.
How on Earth is it related?! Barely hold my laughter at work.
Jesus dude, there should be limit to randomness.
He said 'sorry about the c word' . I know he's a Hillary hater (who isn't) twas a joke...oh well.
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#5518120 Posted on: 02/08/2018 08:51 AM
You guys are beer buddies?
He said 'sorry about the c word' . I know he's a Hillary hater (who isn't) twas a joke...oh well.
You guys are beer buddies?
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China is the second biggest economy giant after the USA, so let's hope this is more than just empty words. It would be great if the USA did something, but I wouldn't personally expect anything from that direction, especially with the billionaire businessman as their president.