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Samsung 860 QVO SSDs 1TB, 2TB and 4TB Spotted At Really Low Prices
Samsung recently announced that they would be releasing QLC NAND based SSDs. TLC writes three bits per cell, QLC writes 4-bits per cell. New products named Samsung 860 QVO are surfacing everywhere right now at etailers in volume sizes of 1TB, 2TB, and 4 TB. And the prices look to be very sweet.
French online store NASexpert, for example, is listing three models, with sizes of Samsung 860 1, 2 and 4 TB QVO (Quality & Value Optimized SSD). The 1 Terabyte SATA-SSD would cost 118 euros, the 2 TB SSD would sell at 226 euros and the 4 TB variant is only 452 euros.
Endurance could be a thing with the new QLC drives, albeit we doubt it. Computerbase writes that the new SSDs can deal with up to 1,440 Terabytes, that most likely is the 4 TB model, so if you half that by size that is 720 TBW for the 2TB model and 360 TBW for the 1 TB model. In pale comparison, the Samsung 860 Evo (4 TB model) has an endurance of 2,400 terabytes written. Overall, the TBW values seem to be half that of the EV. Another difference is the warranty. The 860 Evo has a 5-year warranty, while the 860 QVO has a 3-year warranty. They also mention that random reads are listed at 96,000 IOPS, and random writes ay 89,000 IOPS. The maximum read speed would be 550 MB/second, and the maximum write speed would be 520 MB/s. NASexpert reports that the SSDs will probably be available in December.
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#5609591 Posted on: 11/21/2018 10:09 PM
Good News but i already swap my laptop hdd to WD blue 3d nand
and it’s working great.
Good News but i already swap my laptop hdd to WD blue 3d nand
and it’s working great.
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#5609599 Posted on: 11/21/2018 10:35 PM
Soon the time will come to swap my 3 TB HDDs for SSDs
EDIT:
Did someone of you guys here ever had an SSD that failed due to stated MTBF has been reached? I cannot imagine this happening to a regular consumer after at least 10 years of usage.
Nope never, had one SSD for around 5/6 years and it runs perfectly fine...my other ones are newer just over a year. but at their current rate they might not hit that limit for another 20-30 years XD
Soon the time will come to swap my 3 TB HDDs for SSDs
EDIT:
Did someone of you guys here ever had an SSD that failed due to stated MTBF has been reached? I cannot imagine this happening to a regular consumer after at least 10 years of usage.
Nope never, had one SSD for around 5/6 years and it runs perfectly fine...my other ones are newer just over a year. but at their current rate they might not hit that limit for another 20-30 years XD
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#5609606 Posted on: 11/21/2018 11:28 PM
My Samsung Evo 840 250 GB failed on me. At first I had some issue on Debian accessing some sectors, then after couple of reboots / days it didn't even get detected by BIOS. It was my first SSD, dunno about TBW/MTBF but I did rode that drive (and my new PRO's) hard, with all these libraries with thousands of files etc. also with compiled files etc. written / read / deleted "all the time".
Samsung replaced it with 850 Evo, works fine and still in use today. Doubt that was TBW issue, but I didn't checked status of that drive either. Well it should be under threshold as warranty would be void.
Just for reference my 1.5 year old Samsung 960 Pro 2TB according to spec has: 5 Years or 1200 TBW, drive that I do have 2 OS (Win / Debian) and do still same work / daily compilations / updates large libraries like i.e. Android SDK / NDK etc. has now 12.5 TBW. My Samsung 850 Pro 500 Gig has 14.5 TBW of 300 (and 10 year warranty, dunno why 960 has only 5).
The point that I want to make is that even with QLC I think most users, even those that use drives more intensively, will be fine with them. Initially I was also sceptical but seeing how my current quota / use cases these new 4TB drive will be ideal to replace 2x4TB WD Green and 1x6TB WD Blue, although price, even after "drop", is still high even very. Being able to purchase 4TB for 250-300 euro would be instant buy for me, at least 3 units, because that Blue drive is noisier then Greens and helium Red, with according to the spec supposed to be more quiet then Blue, was actually lauder even on idle.
For now sleeping drive when idle works wonders, kinda headache to wake them up (5-10 sec up time) but silence is worth this inconvenience.
To me these QLC drives are ideal for mass storage media and are something that I was looking forward for long time now (in "affordable price range" of course).
Funny thing is that all this time none of my HDD (all WD's) did actually failed on me, not even single HDD failure, well I did killed one intentionally for RMA but that's different story, SSD did ...
My Samsung Evo 840 250 GB failed on me. At first I had some issue on Debian accessing some sectors, then after couple of reboots / days it didn't even get detected by BIOS. It was my first SSD, dunno about TBW/MTBF but I did rode that drive (and my new PRO's) hard, with all these libraries with thousands of files etc. also with compiled files etc. written / read / deleted "all the time".
Samsung replaced it with 850 Evo, works fine and still in use today. Doubt that was TBW issue, but I didn't checked status of that drive either. Well it should be under threshold as warranty would be void.
Just for reference my 1.5 year old Samsung 960 Pro 2TB according to spec has: 5 Years or 1200 TBW, drive that I do have 2 OS (Win / Debian) and do still same work / daily compilations / updates large libraries like i.e. Android SDK / NDK etc. has now 12.5 TBW. My Samsung 850 Pro 500 Gig has 14.5 TBW of 300 (and 10 year warranty, dunno why 960 has only 5).
The point that I want to make is that even with QLC I think most users, even those that use drives more intensively, will be fine with them. Initially I was also sceptical but seeing how my current quota / use cases these new 4TB drive will be ideal to replace 2x4TB WD Green and 1x6TB WD Blue, although price, even after "drop", is still high even very. Being able to purchase 4TB for 250-300 euro would be instant buy for me, at least 3 units, because that Blue drive is noisier then Greens and helium Red, with according to the spec supposed to be more quiet then Blue, was actually lauder even on idle.
For now sleeping drive when idle works wonders, kinda headache to wake them up (5-10 sec up time) but silence is worth this inconvenience.
To me these QLC drives are ideal for mass storage media and are something that I was looking forward for long time now (in "affordable price range" of course).
Funny thing is that all this time none of my HDD (all WD's) did actually failed on me, not even single HDD failure, well I did killed one intentionally for RMA but that's different story
, SSD did ...
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#5609609 Posted on: 11/21/2018 11:46 PM
Good News but i already swap my laptop hdd to WD blue 3d nand
and it’s working great.
Some time ago I found a Russian site that is doing the most extensive SSD endurance test I have found anywhere - 3DNews.ru SSD Test. They have done one of those drives (near the top of the, google translated page, there is a grey "Content" bar, click it for table of contents for that page):
Western Digital Blue 3D NAND 250 GB
Claimed resource - 100 TB (TBW)
Endurance test scores - 82 TB
It started having errors after just 54 TB written! I'm sorry to say it was one of the worst results they have had.
Please bear in mind that the one they had "could" have been a bit of a lemon, but I'd keep back ups of your data if you do end up doing a lot of writes. Depending on use it would still take a long time to reach even 50TB of writes.
I always check that site before buying a new SSD and they are keeping it updated all the time too
Good News but i already swap my laptop hdd to WD blue 3d nand
and it’s working great.
Some time ago I found a Russian site that is doing the most extensive SSD endurance test I have found anywhere - 3DNews.ru SSD Test. They have done one of those drives (near the top of the, google translated page, there is a grey "Content" bar, click it for table of contents for that page):
Western Digital Blue 3D NAND 250 GB
Claimed resource - 100 TB (TBW)
Endurance test scores - 82 TB
It started having errors after just 54 TB written! I'm sorry to say it was one of the worst results they have had.
Please bear in mind that the one they had "could" have been a bit of a lemon, but I'd keep back ups of your data if you do end up doing a lot of writes. Depending on use it would still take a long time to reach even 50TB of writes.
I always check that site before buying a new SSD and they are keeping it updated all the time too
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#5609610 Posted on: 11/21/2018 11:51 PM
Soon the time will come to swap my 3 TB HDDs for SSDs
EDIT:
Did someone of you guys here ever had an SSD that failed due to stated MTBF has been reached? I cannot imagine this happening to a regular consumer after at least 10 years of usage.
Nope, never had an ssd fail. I still have a 9-10 year old intel X-25M running perfectly, a couple of 5-6 year old intel 520 ssd's still perfect, 2 Crucial bx100's and a whole slew of Samsung 850's and 860's and even a 960. I have never had any data loss or any other issues. I have had 2 hdd's fail in the same time frame though.
Soon the time will come to swap my 3 TB HDDs for SSDs
EDIT:
Did someone of you guys here ever had an SSD that failed due to stated MTBF has been reached? I cannot imagine this happening to a regular consumer after at least 10 years of usage.
Nope, never had an ssd fail. I still have a 9-10 year old intel X-25M running perfectly, a couple of 5-6 year old intel 520 ssd's still perfect, 2 Crucial bx100's and a whole slew of Samsung 850's and 860's and even a 960. I have never had any data loss or any other issues. I have had 2 hdd's fail in the same time frame though.
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#5609612 Posted on: 11/22/2018 12:03 AM
Be warned, when Intel SSDs reach their claimed max TBW, they immediately (and permanently as far as I am aware) switch into a read only state.
I am not sure if that is still the case with newer models though.
Nope, never had an ssd fail. I still have a 9-10 year old intel X-25M running perfectly, a couple of 5-6 year old intel 520 ssd's still perfect, 2 Crucial bx100's and a whole slew of Samsung 850's and 860's and even a 960. I have never had any data loss or any other issues. I have had 2 hdd's fail in the same time frame though.
Be warned, when Intel SSDs reach their claimed max TBW, they immediately (and permanently as far as I am aware) switch into a read only state.
I am not sure if that is still the case with newer models though.
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#5609613 Posted on: 11/22/2018 12:04 AM
$127.98 for 1TB on the egg
$127.98 for 1TB on the egg
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#5609616 Posted on: 11/22/2018 12:14 AM
I'm Really liking these prices I must say.
I ended up buying a Samsung 960 EVO 1TB, but I can see myself buying some of these for data.
Problem is with NAND, it is not usually the amount of TBW that kills them, but rather age, which is rather a big problem for data storage drives...
$127.98 for 1TB on the egg
I'm Really liking these prices I must say.
I ended up buying a Samsung 960 EVO 1TB, but I can see myself buying some of these for data.
Problem is with NAND, it is not usually the amount of TBW that kills them, but rather age, which is rather a big problem for data storage drives...
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#5609641 Posted on: 11/22/2018 03:00 AM
Well just looked around and can't find it anywere.
Well just looked around and can't find it anywere.
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#5609715 Posted on: 11/22/2018 10:48 AM
Soon the time will come to swap my 3 TB HDDs for SSDs
EDIT:
Did someone of you guys here ever had an SSD that failed due to stated MTBF has been reached? I cannot imagine this happening to a regular consumer after at least 10 years of usage.
i'm yet to see a SSD live long enough to reach that goal :p though my evo 860 was doing admirably untill i had to sell it to make room for a 2.5" mechanical drive untill well these ssd's arrived to become my gaming ssd's :p
had 3 vertex 2's (1 for my pc 1 for my moms pc and 1 for my dads) all 3 dead within 3 years.
then had a crucial M5p which died 3 years in.
and then got a evo 860 which showed no signs of stopping.
its the 1 thing i prefer about mechanical drives they usually start making odd noises wile walking towards the light, ssd's work and then they don't >.>
Soon the time will come to swap my 3 TB HDDs for SSDs
EDIT:
Did someone of you guys here ever had an SSD that failed due to stated MTBF has been reached? I cannot imagine this happening to a regular consumer after at least 10 years of usage.
i'm yet to see a SSD live long enough to reach that goal :p though my evo 860 was doing admirably untill i had to sell it to make room for a 2.5" mechanical drive untill well these ssd's arrived to become my gaming ssd's :p
had 3 vertex 2's (1 for my pc 1 for my moms pc and 1 for my dads) all 3 dead within 3 years.
then had a crucial M5p which died 3 years in.
and then got a evo 860 which showed no signs of stopping.
its the 1 thing i prefer about mechanical drives they usually start making odd noises wile walking towards the light, ssd's work and then they don't >.>
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#5609728 Posted on: 11/22/2018 12:08 PM
Picked up a 1TB 970 EVO M2 on Tuesday from Amazon for £175 ($225) absolute bargain
Picked up a 1TB 970 EVO M2 on Tuesday from Amazon for £175 ($225) absolute bargain
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#5609748 Posted on: 11/22/2018 01:48 PM
That is a Good price!
I paid about £245 ($315) 8 months back I think it was, for my 1TB EVO 960 M2 and felt I had found an exceptional deal ^^
These sticks have fantastic performance + durability, Love It <3
Picked up a 1TB 970 EVO M2 on Tuesday from Amazon for £175 ($225) absolute bargain
That is a Good price!
I paid about £245 ($315) 8 months back I think it was, for my 1TB EVO 960 M2 and felt I had found an exceptional deal ^^
These sticks have fantastic performance + durability, Love It <3
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#5609751 Posted on: 11/22/2018 01:53 PM
probably this good replacement for storage drive
although need some feedback for people usage with these SSD
people that reporting SSD 5+years still fine
SSD back 5years or older is much better quality as the NAND using SLC/MLC
SLC and MLC endurance is far more higher than TLC/QLC
but as the capacity is much bigger nowdays, it help with write amplification
much lower write on same cell... but still i bet it wont last as good as MLC SSD
probably this good replacement for storage drive
although need some feedback for people usage with these SSD
people that reporting SSD 5+years still fine
SSD back 5years or older is much better quality as the NAND using SLC/MLC
SLC and MLC endurance is far more higher than TLC/QLC
but as the capacity is much bigger nowdays, it help with write amplification
much lower write on same cell... but still i bet it wont last as good as MLC SSD
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#5609766 Posted on: 11/22/2018 02:49 PM
@
Problem is with NAND, it is not usually the amount of TBW that kills them, but rather age..
+1
i've been saying this for a while, as backblaze data was showing the same thing (after 2-3y roughly 25% of drives had chip failure from age, not writes).
i keep replacing them after about 2-3y with newer/bigger drives, but did have no issues with the "big names" i used (crucial/ocz/kingston/toshiba),
but had a "myssd" were the controller failed within a year. was the OS drive at the time, so no data loss as i use trueimage.
i will go back to drives with mlc chips, as the qlc drive i just got is terribly slow (even with slc/dram cache),
and i dont like them cranking up bits per cell every year and no real long term data showing the chips last.
@
Humanoid_1
Problem is with NAND, it is not usually the amount of TBW that kills them, but rather age..
+1
i've been saying this for a while, as backblaze data was showing the same thing (after 2-3y roughly 25% of drives had chip failure from age, not writes).
i keep replacing them after about 2-3y with newer/bigger drives, but did have no issues with the "big names" i used (crucial/ocz/kingston/toshiba),
but had a "myssd" were the controller failed within a year. was the OS drive at the time, so no data loss as i use trueimage.
i will go back to drives with mlc chips, as the qlc drive i just got is terribly slow (even with slc/dram cache),
and i dont like them cranking up bits per cell every year and no real long term data showing the chips last.
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Soon the time will come to swap my 3 TB HDDs for SSDs
EDIT:
Did someone of you guys here ever had an SSD that failed due to stated MTBF has been reached? I cannot imagine this happening to a regular consumer after at least 10 years of usage.