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Ryzen Threadripper 2000 Is Sampling (According To AMD slide)
The past few weeks we've talked a lot about the Zen+ update for Ryzen, we all know that Threadripper will be undergoing that same amount of TLC. A public slide from AMD now confirms that Ryzen Threadripper 2900X, 2920X and 2950X are sampling.
Earlier on a document already leaked out, sharing the existence of the three mega-core procs. For Threadripper Gen2 you can expect a refresh of the current line-up; an 8-core Threadripper 2900X, a 12-core Threadripper 2920X and of course a 16-core Threadripper 2950X. AMD will apply the same Zen+ tweaks to the processors; including memory latency optimizations and higher clock speeds. This is going to be huge for Threadripper.
The Threadripper 2000 series is based on the new Ryzen 2nd Gen Pinnacle Ridge dies aka Zen+, and hopefully can achieve the same clocks as the Gen 2 Ryzen counterparts with turbos to the 4200 and 4300 MHz ranges. You should be able to see the same memory improvements on latency as well as higher frequency support. Earlier on it was indicated that Threadripper 2000 will hit the market in Q3, meaning likely at the AMD Computex press conference, they will announce that. BTW, before we begin another long discussion, dates are always a thing with AMD slides, simply put they reuse them all the time ergo, this one mentions 2017. We've verified the slide original, from a media presentation on Ryzen PRO last week.
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#5546788 Posted on: 05/15/2018 06:29 AM
This is only true for the 4-core/8-thread 2700/2700K though (and by extension, any/all of the 4c/8t i7's).
The 4-core/4-thread i5's otoh (even up to the i5-7600K; though obviously these effects are worse the older the chip's gen) already have TERRIBLE all important 1% & .1% fps minimums, with the totally horrid frame-pacing/timing to match; no matter how high you overclock them, how high the overall average fps, or high the display/output resolution is. Having just 4x CPU threads simply isn't enough in this 8-core/thread console world we live in; so for THOSE people, a full system upgrade can make a whole crap-ton of sense. And especially so considering the current prices on used 2nd & 3rd Gen i7's (most esp. for the latter, as if you are gonna go through the process of upgrading your CPU on an old platform, you might as well should get the best chip that your socket can take; aka the i7-3770K).
Also, in unrelated news, for some reason my quotes aren't showing up as such on the main article page. Any idea's why that would be? Hilbert in particular? Is it because they are only partial quotes? (In the meantime I've just added text to said quotes making it explicit, but that doesn't change the oddness).
I have to agree with this. 1st thing I got for new system was 240Hz FS screen. Not that I expected big improvement over 144Hz non-FS, but there was none with my i5@4,5GHz.
As I wrote before, quite a few newer games did feel like 40fps even while they did 80+ fps. From this I came to conclusion that stutter I am experiencing is not caused by fps to screen Hz desync and me becoming drastically more sensitive. I used to limit affected games to 72fps and that did help only a bit.
Moving to 2700X did improve reported fps in games only a bit, but now those games look accordingly. No stutter whatsoever.
There were other people already mentioning happy experience by moving from i7-2600k to something newer with more threads.
From this experience, I can say that graphs comparing fps by CPU are bit misleading. Fps is nothing if CPU has no spare cycles to handle all OS needs to handle & all drivers needs to handle.
I even think that while FX-8350 would deliver lower fps than my i5-2500k, experience would be much better as game would not choke important background processes.
This is only true for the 4-core/8-thread 2700/2700K though (and by extension, any/all of the 4c/8t i7's).
The 4-core/4-thread i5's otoh (even up to the i5-7600K; though obviously these effects are worse the older the chip's gen) already have TERRIBLE all important 1% & .1% fps minimums, with the totally horrid frame-pacing/timing to match; no matter how high you overclock them, how high the overall average fps, or high the display/output resolution is. Having just 4x CPU threads simply isn't enough in this 8-core/thread console world we live in; so for THOSE people, a full system upgrade can make a whole crap-ton of sense. And especially so considering the current prices on used 2nd & 3rd Gen i7's (most esp. for the latter, as if you are gonna go through the process of upgrading your CPU on an old platform, you might as well should get the best chip that your socket can take; aka the i7-3770K).
Also, in unrelated news, for some reason my quotes aren't showing up as such on the main article page. Any idea's why that would be? Hilbert in particular? Is it because they are only partial quotes? (In the meantime I've just added text to said quotes making it explicit, but that doesn't change the oddness).
I have to agree with this. 1st thing I got for new system was 240Hz FS screen. Not that I expected big improvement over 144Hz non-FS, but there was none with my i5@4,5GHz.
As I wrote before, quite a few newer games did feel like 40fps even while they did 80+ fps. From this I came to conclusion that stutter I am experiencing is not caused by fps to screen Hz desync and me becoming drastically more sensitive. I used to limit affected games to 72fps and that did help only a bit.
Moving to 2700X did improve reported fps in games only a bit, but now those games look accordingly. No stutter whatsoever.
There were other people already mentioning happy experience by moving from i7-2600k to something newer with more threads.
From this experience, I can say that graphs comparing fps by CPU are bit misleading. Fps is nothing if CPU has no spare cycles to handle all OS needs to handle & all drivers needs to handle.
I even think that while FX-8350 would deliver lower fps than my i5-2500k, experience would be much better as game would not choke important background processes.
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#5546954 Posted on: 05/15/2018 04:12 PM
There's always people who will buy if the performance is there. I just don't have deep pockets, and a conscience for spending too much money.
As you have already proved yourself, it doesn't matter if they give people a reason to upgrade since RAM (and GPU) prices are still too high. SSD prices could be better, too, but at least they're not unreasonable.
There's always people who will buy if the performance is there. I just don't have deep pockets, and a conscience for spending too much money.
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#5546976 Posted on: 05/15/2018 05:07 PM
That is definitely true, though AMD doesn't tend cater to people who buy "just because". Though, Threadripper does seem to be on the verge of breaking that mold.
There's always people who will buy if the performance is there. I just don't have deep pockets, and a conscience for spending too much money.
That is definitely true, though AMD doesn't tend cater to people who buy "just because". Though, Threadripper does seem to be on the verge of breaking that mold.
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#5547060 Posted on: 05/15/2018 09:33 PM
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And I want to give it more work as well if the power is available, like video encoding (which I do on my main gaming PC), so I don't block my gaming and other activities during the encode. (I used to do that at night while sleeping, but those 4K's take a damn long time!)
I'd also like to start running some VM's on the new server, to give two of my colleagues"
Ta for sharing. Sound like you will make it grunt in notime
IMO, a fast nvme raid 0 array would be a powerful resource to add. Even a small, ultrafast storage resource, which sits between expensive ram and cheap slow regular storage, could act as a ram extender for windows swapping, and temp files during processing runs..
It may defer your next ram upgrade.
We know swapping is not nice, but the fact is, it can and increasingly does happen, and when it does, an 8GB/s+ resource can make it far more tolerable.
A fast scratch space, custom formatted for bulk transfers of data, could be used to good effect.
wavetrex
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And I want to give it more work as well if the power is available, like video encoding (which I do on my main gaming PC), so I don't block my gaming and other activities during the encode. (I used to do that at night while sleeping, but those 4K's take a damn long time!)
I'd also like to start running some VM's on the new server, to give two of my colleagues"
Ta for sharing. Sound like you will make it grunt in notime
IMO, a fast nvme raid 0 array would be a powerful resource to add. Even a small, ultrafast storage resource, which sits between expensive ram and cheap slow regular storage, could act as a ram extender for windows swapping, and temp files during processing runs..
It may defer your next ram upgrade.
We know swapping is not nice, but the fact is, it can and increasingly does happen, and when it does, an 8GB/s+ resource can make it far more tolerable.
A fast scratch space, custom formatted for bulk transfers of data, could be used to good effect.
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"Quote from airbud7" Totally agree... from a "gamers standpoint" a 1080ti and 1440p monitor will go a lot further than an entire system upgrade
This is only true for the 4-core/8-thread 2700/2700K though (and by extension, any/all of the 4c/8t i7's).
The 4-core/4-thread i5's otoh (even up to the i5-7600K; though obviously these effects are worse the older the chip's gen) already have TERRIBLE all important 1% & .1% fps minimums, with the totally horrid frame-pacing/timing to match; no matter how high you overclock them, how high the overall average fps, or high the display/output resolution is. Having just 4x CPU threads simply isn't enough in this 8-core/thread console world we live in; so for THOSE people, a full system upgrade can make a whole crap-ton of sense. And especially so considering the current prices on used 2nd & 3rd Gen i7's (most esp. for the latter, as if you are gonna go through the process of upgrading your CPU on an old platform, you might as well should get the best chip that your socket can take; aka the i7-3770K).
Also, in unrelated news, for some reason my quotes aren't showing up as such on the main article page. Any idea's why that would be? Hilbert in particular? Is it because they are only partial quotes? (In the meantime I've just added text to said quotes making it explicit, but that doesn't change the oddness).