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Guru3D.com » News » Ryzen 7 5800X3D is gonna be hard to get due to complex production stacked cache

Ryzen 7 5800X3D is gonna be hard to get due to complex production stacked cache

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 01/13/2022 07:08 PM | source: pcgamer | 53 comment(s)
Ryzen 7 5800X3D is gonna be hard to get due to complex production stacked cache

The AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D will be the only consumer-level processor to include an additional stacked 3D V-Cache that sit above the compute dies. And that's difficult and costly, the processor might end up being a limited edition.

According to Digitimes sources, TSMC's 3D SoIC technology is not yet in volume production, and limited capacity is available being allocated to enterprise chips. The Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) is building a new sophisticated packaging plant in Chunan, Taiwan, which is slated to be operational later this year, although it may not be ready in time for volume 5800X3D production prior to the release of Zen 4 later this year. AMD believes that the presence of all of that more L3 cache will result in a significant boost in gaming performance over the standard 5800X, which isn't exactly a slouch in the first place. But with the recent Alder Lake release, it might be enough to grab back the #1 position. The notion is that latency-sensitive applications such as games will benefit from not having to access the DRAM as frequently as they would otherwise have to. Although AMD claims that the technology can provide a 15 percent boost in performance, which is enough to put it ahead of the 12900K, we'll reserve final judgment until we've had a chance to test the 5800X3D for ourselves once we review it.

 

 

The Ryzen 7 5800X3D is scheduled to go on sale in spring 2022, so you'll have to wait a few months longer. If TSMC's limited manufacturing capacity remains until the middle of 2022 or beyond, it is possible that the 5800X3D will continue to be a niche processor. It is expected to be replaced by Zen 4 CPUs in the second half of 2022.



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fry178
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#5983631 Posted on: 01/17/2022 04:17 PM
@cucaulay malkin
and irrelevant as long as it fits the market.
the ppl looking to get a 5xxx series probably have one already, if not, why would you want something older if a new unit is out?


and i love how ppl know that there is bad stock and high prices, when it hasnt been released yet.
guess i need to polish my crystal ball ... :rolleyes:

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#5983835 Posted on: 01/18/2022 12:42 AM
This is a total Intel move. Make something you can't realistically produce, just to not suck in benchmarks that people who can't get your product will see.

It reminds me of that 28-core Intel crap when TR/Epyc was first out, the one that required Chernobyl cooling to boot. At least it doesn't seem so desperate yet and Alder Lake sure likes its coolers well done.
Chernobyl cooling! Priceless 5/5. I needed that laugh even though it makes my lower back absolutely scream in agony when I laugh or otherwise use those muscles. I remember when that came out, needed special motherboards and all that, the price of which combined with the CPU cost more than an entire production-ready COMPLETE server (2r or 4r size) unit. THAT was pretty much just a press stunt, as if to say 'see, we don't completely suck, we still have SOMETHING'. Penguins (not the Linux kind) for the first time could be seen forming long lines for property and life insurance for the first time since the Ford Excursion launched around 98~99.

look folks there's no need for hand-wringing.
the 5800X3D is doing the exact same thing for AMD that Alder Lake is doing for Intel.
which is being a placeholder while generating sales for the next generation cpu arriving within 12 calendar months.
AMD is faring better with TSMC than some of you seem to think. the reality is no one and nothing else are being fabbed at this fab for the 5800X3D and as i said there's no substitute for full production to enhance the node.
AMD knows you get what you paid for, which is the bleeding edge of fabrication. with all of the associated risks as well.
this is a "win" for everyone
5800X-3D is basically just a special-edition 8086K that will give AM4 users one-last-hurrah so to speak, except with some key fundamental differences out there to tie up any loose ends with the process during initial manufacture and market adoption VS just doing-this-with-everything from-the-get-go.... but it's there for one more reason, too. To give investors something to be happy about (as such a Rx 6000 GPU refresh will also do), something that keeps stock prices trending level or at-least anything but falling - and gives folks (hopefully) something to want.
I have x570, has been a great platform (with an Asus board, mind you, not the ASRock board that blew up running stock settings, ugh). I absolutely love that when I wanted 2x the CPU of my 3700x (wanted, not needed) I could plop an 3950x on it with little though and merely just a cursory BIOS update, and be off to the (game-dev) races in minutes VS the intel mentality of throwing the baby out with the bath-water as we're usually used-to.
It is entirely a win, 7nm process is as good as you could get at the time, plus the added bonus of not cooking you alive when you had to get real work done on it.

That bit of favoritism aside (not really, but who ISN'T a fan of saving money in the grand scheme of things?), while this will be good for gamers who are still using a 1700x, 2700x, 3600/3700x, to get a little boost to keep the GPU pushing out max frames and not measurably lagging behind and feeling left out; I personally will be awaiting the 16-core (real cores mind you! not neutered ones mucking up performance) 6000 or 7000 series chip to upgrade to when it's finally worth giving this dev machine an appreciable boost. However, it's nice too, knowing there's a reasonably good 17~20% boost I can get if I want to pony up for a 5950x in here in the mean-time over the existing 3950x.

For those users who do varied tasks, I cannot laud enough what having gobs of real cores does for the workflow, while not breaking the bank (or killing parts availability) having to go full HEDT.

Intel's 2% yearly upgrades (if that) in it's-still-a-quad-core performance in the years leading up to Ryzen giving them a good shake, really stagnated the PC industry. It was to the point where it didn't look good for PC gaming as a whole, even to us enthusiasts - who even after almost 5 years, barely had much of an upgrade to look forward to. I wasn't enjoying that one bit. I wanted to replace my Haswell 4790k (read: PIG) before I was well-done, but even 4+ years into things, there wasn't much until Ryzen 3000 series hit. Not having the upgrades out there calling your name, really took a lot of fun out of it.
So maybe I am partial to AMD, not entirely; but I am partial to one thing: COMPETITION. Without that, we won't have the industry we LOVE to get lost in.
In-fact to cement this; there was so much pent up demand, that for months Ryzen 3000 series had spotty availability issues, plus the mining boom on-top of that has made some parts worth their weight in pure gold such as GPU's and occasionally parts associated with them such as higher-end power supplies (at one time anyway, though that was very short-lived and wasn't nearly as bad for PSU's the 2nd time around).
For years - such as the late 90's, you couldn't make the money fast enough. Even working 2 jobs and still helping my father with the family business at 16~17 back in 98~99, you couldn't upgrade fast enough - and even the absolute cream of the crop machine, was cream of the crap after only 12 months.
So yes, competition, I cheer on anything that keeps the dream alive. When one gets a strangle-hold / monopoly on the market, we won't have such a good time without all the progress competition gives.
It's not as if we don't care who has the lead, but we should just care that it gets swapped back and forth in a healthy manner to keep all companies striving for innovation. This way we can all feel good about wasting way too much money on this stupid technology, because we'll actually get a lot better mileage out of our money this way!

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#5984895 Posted on: 01/20/2022 04:34 AM
Asking more money for a CPU that's slower,lower core count and older pcie version.
Instead of less,you know.
If people are still willing to pay the asking price, it's not overpriced. It's funny seeing people defending the insane prices of graphics cards in 1 thread, but attacking AMD for CPU prices in another..... IF $1200 for a card with an MSRP of $600 is just fine, then $300 for a CPU should be just fine. Especially considering that no computer can function to any extent without a CPU, while you can build a perfectly functional PC without a dedicated GPU.

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#5984915 Posted on: 01/20/2022 07:32 AM
If people are still willing to pay the asking price, it's not overpriced.

weird criteria

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#5985199 Posted on: 01/20/2022 06:08 PM
weird criteria

Supply/demand. This is how the free market works. If things are to expensive, people don't buy it.

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