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Ryzen 3000: Asus opens up PCIe 4.0 support for selected X470 and B450 boards

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 07/12/2019 07:44 AM | source: mydrivers.com | 50 comment(s)
Ryzen 3000: Asus opens up PCIe 4.0 support for selected X470 and B450 boards

Despite earlier rumors, it seems that even motherboards without X570 chipset can offer PCIe 4.0 on the Ryzen 3000 CPUs. AMD denied this during computex bit, Asus has now published a list of various X470 and B450 motherboards that should at least offer partially PCIe 4.0.

Remember that the option for PCIe Gen 4.0 popped up in several BIOSes on X470. Well, here it the thing, and as explained in our reviews the motherboard chipset chip and IO chip in the Ryzen 3000 processor, are the same thing. Yes, that's two  'chipset' chips. The one in the proc, thus is PCIe 4.0 and if you use X470 or another series 400 chipset, the interlinks are PCIe Gen 2.0. But that does mean that the CPU IO chip still can offer PCIe Gen 4.0 lanes to selected slots (graphics cards (x16) and one M2 slot (x4). 

So basically ASUS has outed a series of BIOS/firmware updates in the past few weeks, and that PCIe Gen 4.0 option is back. In Asia, some people have been trying to enable it, and it works on selected motherboards it seems. After enablement, the processors themselves provide 16 PCIe 4.0 lanes for graphics cards and four more lanes for M.2 NVMe SSDs. Remember, due to the chipset chip an X570 platform has PCIe 4.0 everywhere; X470 and B450 even use the old standard PCIe 2.0 with whatever runs over the chipset.

X470 and B450 boards that provide PCIe 4.0 from the CPU
The PCIe 4.0 lines of the CPUs should be at least partially usable with a new BIOS on various Asus motherboards with X470 and B450 chipset. In Asia, the manufacturer has lists of published BIOS updates and models (see thumbnail). These show that a whole range of the older boards with PCIe 4.0 x16 (graphics card) and PCIe 4.0 x4 (M.2-SSD) can even use PCIe 4.0 on the Ryzen 3000 proc.

 

 

All this is even true for the cheaper B450 motherboards. Some folks have been actively testing, and while it is a bit of hit and miss, out of 13 models, 10 offer the full PCIe 4.0 package from Ryzen; three Strix models did not offer full PCIe 4.0 for graphics cards but did support PCIe Gen 4.0 on the primary M2 unit. Interestingly enough for the more expensive X470 motherboards none of the six listed models worked with PCIe Gen 4.0. For these, the graphics card slot was PCIe 4.0 but running x8 or had no PCIe 4.0 available. The option on PCIe 4.0 in the listed Asus motherboards gets enabled through a BIOS update. Whether this already applies to all BIOS updates distributed at the end of June is not clear just yet.

Mydrivers reports that a PCIe 4.0 SSD on the TUF B450M-PRO gaming is said to reach full performance of around 5.0 GB/s reading and 4.2 GB/s writing. With the PCIe 4.0 option, the older X470 and B450 boards could be even more attractive as a cheaper alternative.

 



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nevcairiel
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#5690590 Posted on: 07/12/2019 01:48 PM

Regular Copy operations may happen to be limited if one goes crazy on parallel copying, but that's not usual case and not something that one will cry over.

But you can make the exact same argument for PCIe 4.0 on anything else right now. Graphics sees no benefit yet, and SSDs - if anywhere, in sequential speed only, ie. copy operations.

On AMD specifically, devices connected to the chipset were also only PCIe 2.0 in X470 - on X570 they are 4.0 (or 3.0 with backwards compat, of course), so the secondary M.2 SSD would benefit far more moving from 2.0 to 3.0. At least for me, this would be worth more then getting 4.0 on the primary PCIe slot.

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#5690591 Posted on: 07/12/2019 01:48 PM
Okay so with this news can someone kindly explain the higher TDP of the X570's then, and cost for that matter.

You are using the CPU lines here.

on the X570 you pay and cool the X570 that adds more pciex v4 lanes, and that comunicate with the cpu with pciex v4.

On the 400 series, everything apart the main pciex16 slot and the nvme stays at pci version 3.

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#5690593 Posted on: 07/12/2019 01:57 PM
That's really cool for them to offer this, though, I would never use this for anything important. I'd gladly sacrifice the minuscule real-world performance gain in an M.2 drive for better data integrity, and stick with PCIe 3.0. For the GPU, as long as it isn't doing any compute tasks, I'd probably try it out.

Of course, all of this is assuming I have one of these motherboards, a Zen2 CPU, and PCIe 4.0 devices (of which I have none of the above lol).

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#5690605 Posted on: 07/12/2019 02:25 PM
I'm still hanging on the the Gigabyte Bios that enabled PCIe 4.0 on my Aorus Gaming X470 board. Can't seem to get a 3900X in stock to order one but I'm patient. Hopefully soon I can test the theory but if it doesn't work I'm not going to worry about it.

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#5690711 Posted on: 07/12/2019 08:19 PM
The x470 Prime-Pro is nothing special. reason being that PCIe 4.0 x8 is the same as 3.0x16. Other than that is the same as the other boards that only support the 4.0 connection to one M2 drive. The boards to have would be the B450 boards.

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