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Ryzen 3000: Asus opens up PCIe 4.0 support for selected X470 and B450 boards

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 07/12/2019 07:44 AM | source: mydrivers.com | 50 comment(s)
Ryzen 3000: Asus opens up PCIe 4.0 support for selected X470 and B450 boards

Despite earlier rumors, it seems that even motherboards without X570 chipset can offer PCIe 4.0 on the Ryzen 3000 CPUs. AMD denied this during computex bit, Asus has now published a list of various X470 and B450 motherboards that should at least offer partially PCIe 4.0.

Remember that the option for PCIe Gen 4.0 popped up in several BIOSes on X470. Well, here it the thing, and as explained in our reviews the motherboard chipset chip and IO chip in the Ryzen 3000 processor, are the same thing. Yes, that's two  'chipset' chips. The one in the proc, thus is PCIe 4.0 and if you use X470 or another series 400 chipset, the interlinks are PCIe Gen 2.0. But that does mean that the CPU IO chip still can offer PCIe Gen 4.0 lanes to selected slots (graphics cards (x16) and one M2 slot (x4). 

So basically ASUS has outed a series of BIOS/firmware updates in the past few weeks, and that PCIe Gen 4.0 option is back. In Asia, some people have been trying to enable it, and it works on selected motherboards it seems. After enablement, the processors themselves provide 16 PCIe 4.0 lanes for graphics cards and four more lanes for M.2 NVMe SSDs. Remember, due to the chipset chip an X570 platform has PCIe 4.0 everywhere; X470 and B450 even use the old standard PCIe 2.0 with whatever runs over the chipset.

X470 and B450 boards that provide PCIe 4.0 from the CPU
The PCIe 4.0 lines of the CPUs should be at least partially usable with a new BIOS on various Asus motherboards with X470 and B450 chipset. In Asia, the manufacturer has lists of published BIOS updates and models (see thumbnail). These show that a whole range of the older boards with PCIe 4.0 x16 (graphics card) and PCIe 4.0 x4 (M.2-SSD) can even use PCIe 4.0 on the Ryzen 3000 proc.

 

 

All this is even true for the cheaper B450 motherboards. Some folks have been actively testing, and while it is a bit of hit and miss, out of 13 models, 10 offer the full PCIe 4.0 package from Ryzen; three Strix models did not offer full PCIe 4.0 for graphics cards but did support PCIe Gen 4.0 on the primary M2 unit. Interestingly enough for the more expensive X470 motherboards none of the six listed models worked with PCIe Gen 4.0. For these, the graphics card slot was PCIe 4.0 but running x8 or had no PCIe 4.0 available. The option on PCIe 4.0 in the listed Asus motherboards gets enabled through a BIOS update. Whether this already applies to all BIOS updates distributed at the end of June is not clear just yet.

Mydrivers reports that a PCIe 4.0 SSD on the TUF B450M-PRO gaming is said to reach full performance of around 5.0 GB/s reading and 4.2 GB/s writing. With the PCIe 4.0 option, the older X470 and B450 boards could be even more attractive as a cheaper alternative.

 



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asturur
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#5690559 Posted on: 07/12/2019 12:12 PM
:D
I'm sad because if i had bought a x470 prime pro, mid tier motherboard i would have saved something, probably got the same xfr frequencies and now i would had a better pciex4 surprise.

I n the motherboard lottery i chose bad.

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#5690560 Posted on: 07/12/2019 12:13 PM
So maybe is not sadness is envy for who got the other motherboards.

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#5690574 Posted on: 07/12/2019 01:14 PM
Wow, the first time in years I have gotten lucky with one of these "added features" situations.

I initially only picked the X470 Prime Pro because it was one of the rare mid-range to higher-end board with no "GAMER" branding plastered over it :p

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#5690583 Posted on: 07/12/2019 01:35 PM
Okay so with this news can someone kindly explain the higher TDP of the X570's then, and cost for that matter.

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#5690587 Posted on: 07/12/2019 01:45 PM
Okay so with this news can someone kindly explain the higher TDP of the X570's then, and cost for that matter.

Its not a standard chipset, its the IO chip from the Ryzen CPU's.
Its on a 12nm process, which I would have thought would have brought down the TDP, but since it was designed with massive throughput and low latency (being a CPU IO chip) it might not have much in the way of efficiency.
I mean, its meant to be cooled with a CPU cooler, along with the CPU itself, but a large cooler nonetheless.

edit : Cost would be the 12nm node i expect, much higher than the previous chipsets.
Also, the fact AMD has to have them made, maybe in a bit of a rush, due to ASMedia's not being ready yet ? (New substrate fabbed just for the sole IO chip, validation and testing, putting the IO chip on the specific substrate...)

edit2: The pinout is probably completely different from the previous chipsets also, so previous mobo designs can't be used.....
It must have been a right clusterf**k for AMD when they found out the ASMedia chipsets weren't going to be ready in time.

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