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Ryzen 3000: AMD deliberately limited Boost behavior in favor of longevity, says Asus staff
An Asus employee gas mentioned that AMD has reduced the boost behavior of the Ryzen 3000 processors to a more moderate level as it was too aggressive and now is a bit more limited in favor of longevity.
It has been a bit of a discussion as to why motherboard differs in Boost frequencies with Ryzen 3000 on different motherboards. Now it is said by shamino (Asus employee) that AMD has limited the boost behavior in newer AGESA versions.
The motivation for this step would be that AMD apparently wants to ensure a longer life. As it says at least in the contribution of "shamino1978" in forums (via reddit.com).
"every new bios i get asked the boost question all over again, i have not tested a newer version of AGESA that changes the current state of 1003 boost, not even 1004. if i do know of changes, i will specifically state this. They were being too aggressive with the boost previously, the current boost behavior is more in line with their confidence in long term reliability and i have not heard of any changes to this stance, tho i have heard of a 'more customizable' version in the future"
As for the controversy surrounding the boost frequencies of the current Ryzen 3000 processors, have a peek here.
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#5704632 Posted on: 08/27/2019 02:44 PM
Man i feel bad for everyone affected by this issue.
And i agree with Denial, AMD should be called by this type of "issues" the same way we call other companies when they pull silly stunts like this.
Man i feel bad for everyone affected by this issue.
And i agree with Denial, AMD should be called by this type of "issues" the same way we call other companies when they pull silly stunts like this.
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#5704637 Posted on: 08/27/2019 02:51 PM
3900x and I've yet to see boost clocks or even similar clocks to what the reviewers were getting on initial bios.
Do I care that much? Not really - chip still performs well and better than my 7820x - should AMD be called out on it though? Absolutely. The larger point here is exactly what loophole said - if any other company had done this people would be losing their crap but AMD does it and half the community just handwaves it away, some people trying to make it out as a good thing. As I said in the other thread it sets a precedent for AMD to get away with things like this as they have for years now.
Care to share some of your results?
I'm happy with my 3800X.
I also believe that we are still a way away from the Final Bios versions, for any AM4 Motherboard.
What we have today, is still not the final clocks etc.
As for the "Review Bios", you'd have to prove that they deliberately held back the "proper" Bios, and I don't think that is going to be done either.
I suppose when you don't have the deep pockets of Intel, you can't have the same sort of CPU launch.
So am I, it mostly boosts to 4325MHz in games and the maximum single core boost I've seen is 4550MHz (if iCUE is disabled). I could also run an all-core OC @ 4400MHz to get an even boost in games.
3900x and I've yet to see boost clocks or even similar clocks to what the reviewers were getting on initial bios.
Do I care that much? Not really - chip still performs well and better than my 7820x - should AMD be called out on it though? Absolutely. The larger point here is exactly what loophole said - if any other company had done this people would be losing their crap but AMD does it and half the community just handwaves it away, some people trying to make it out as a good thing. As I said in the other thread it sets a precedent for AMD to get away with things like this as they have for years now.
Care to share some of your results?
I'm happy with my 3800X.
I also believe that we are still a way away from the Final Bios versions, for any AM4 Motherboard.
What we have today, is still not the final clocks etc.
As for the "Review Bios", you'd have to prove that they deliberately held back the "proper" Bios, and I don't think that is going to be done either.
I suppose when you don't have the deep pockets of Intel, you can't have the same sort of CPU launch.
So am I, it mostly boosts to 4325MHz in games and the maximum single core boost I've seen is 4550MHz (if iCUE is disabled). I could also run an all-core OC @ 4400MHz to get an even boost in games.
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#5704659 Posted on: 08/27/2019 03:27 PM
Care to share some of your results?
We don't need his results.
Something like 96% of 3900x's don't hit their advertised boost.
As long as it says "Up to" that's it.
Internet bandwidth from ISP's. "Up to 100Mbit Internet".
They guarantee the base clock, and then the boost clock is "Up to".
No one would have a leg to stand on.
I'm happy with my 3800X.
I also believe that we are still a way away from the Final Bios versions, for any AM4 Motherboard.
What we have today, is still not the final clocks etc.
As for the "Review Bios", you'd have to prove that they deliberately held back the "proper" Bios, and I don't think that is going to be done either.
I suppose when you don't have the deep pockets of Intel, you can't have the same sort of CPU launch.
If your defense is, "Hey, the ISPs do it," you've already lost.
Care to share some of your results?
We don't need his results.
Something like 96% of 3900x's don't hit their advertised boost.
As long as it says "Up to" that's it.
Internet bandwidth from ISP's. "Up to 100Mbit Internet".
They guarantee the base clock, and then the boost clock is "Up to".
No one would have a leg to stand on.
I'm happy with my 3800X.
I also believe that we are still a way away from the Final Bios versions, for any AM4 Motherboard.
What we have today, is still not the final clocks etc.
As for the "Review Bios", you'd have to prove that they deliberately held back the "proper" Bios, and I don't think that is going to be done either.
I suppose when you don't have the deep pockets of Intel, you can't have the same sort of CPU launch.
If your defense is, "Hey, the ISPs do it," you've already lost.
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#5704678 Posted on: 08/27/2019 03:59 PM
We don't need his results.
Something like 96% of 3900x's don't hit their advertised boost.
Oh, it's that bad...
We don't need his results.
Something like 96% of 3900x's don't hit their advertised boost.
Oh, it's that bad...
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As long as it says "Up to" that's it.
Internet bandwidth from ISP's. "Up to 100Mbit Internet".
They guarantee the base clock, and then the boost clock is "Up to".
No one would have a leg to stand on.
I'm happy with my 3800X.
I also believe that we are still a way away from the Final Bios versions, for any AM4 Motherboard.
What we have today, is still not the final clocks etc.
As for the "Review Bios", you'd have to prove that they deliberately held back the "proper" Bios, and I don't think that is going to be done either.
I suppose when you don't have the deep pockets of Intel, you can't have the same sort of CPU launch.
https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-3700x#product-specs
There is no mention of up to on this page at all and even the "max boost clock" the "max" part was added 15 days ago:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/cp9zug/amd-has-updated-the-ryzen-product-pages-to-be/
AMD posted a video where they say you should be able to do 200mhz+ beyond the highest clock printed on the box. As it currently stands I can't even hit the box speed, I'm capped nearly 100mhz below it on a $380 motherboard with liquid cooling. Couple all that with every single board getting lower clocks on newer bios's compared to review/release ones and ASUS saying this and I don't really see how you can take it any other way.
Again, it doesn't make the processor bad - but it needs to be called out so they stop doing it in the future.