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Rumor: Ryzen 7000 processors all get integrated graphics
The rumor mill the past years has been in 6th gear, and apparently, we're now already talking Ryzen series 7000/ ZEN4. It's a fresh rumor though. See One difference between Intel and AMD is that all their processors have an integrated GPU (iGPU), activated or not.
At the end that is more profitable for intel, as they only have one product to fabricate. AMD has two lines, their APUs, and separated the desktop processors. Basically, that's two different architectures, and this a lot of overhead. Well, that might change with the start of the Ryzen series 7000. Several roadmaps now indicate some of the plans that AMD has, and a Reddit user collected information from multiple sources of the internet and put it together in the image seen below. Although this roadmap has similarities with statements already officially made by AMD, it still a lot of speculation.
But here's how that shapes up to be:
Ryzen 6000 would be based on 6000 Rembrandt architecture (Zen 3+) and Barcelo (Zen 3). New is the (apparent) addition of Navi graphics to Raphael, the Zen 4-based Ryzen 7000 desktop chips. According to users on ChipHell, AMD will switch to an I/O die fabricated at 6 nm with this generation. There would be n IGP in every AMD processor. Phoenix, the Ryzen mobile Ryzen 7000 chip, coming to the desktop as well, would contain a stronger, newer graphic piece based on RDNA 3. It is reported that AMD has internally set the target to achieve 50 percent better performance per watt with RDNA 3 compared to RDNA 2. The step to DDR5 memory may mean that this computing power can also be performed well in an APU.
| Product name | Code name | Architecture | Process | Graphics | Memory | PCI-e |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ryzen 5000 | Vermeer | Zen 3 | 7 nm | - | ddr4 | 4.0 |
| Ryzen 5000G | Cezanne | Zen 3 | 7 nm | Vega | ddr4 | 3.0 |
| Lucienne | Zen 2 | 7 nm | Vega | ddr4 | 3.0 | |
| Ryzen 6000 | Warhol | Zen 3+ | 6 nm | - | ddr4 | 4.0 |
| Ryzen 6000G | Rembrandt | Zen 3+ | 6 nm | RDNA 2 | ddr5 | 4.0 |
| Barcelo | Zen 3 | 7 nm | Vega | ddr4 | 3.0 | |
| Ryzen 7000 | Raphael | Zen 4 | 5 nm | RDNA 2? | ddr5 | 5.0 |
| Ryzen 7000G | Phoenix | Zen 4 | 5 nm | RDNA 3? | ddr5 | 5.0 |
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#5902562 Posted on: 04/06/2021 02:23 PM
Excellent news!
Back when I had R9 290 and when not playing demanding 3d games, I used to switch to Intel HD Graphics 4600, shaving up to 40 watts depending on the task. Like I was human Nvidia Optimus duh,..
Also iGPU saved my butt more than a few times.
This firmly puts AMD on my purchase list. I am not going anywhere without iGPU.
paying $20 extra for a igpu sku was probably the best value you're gonna get these days out of any piece of hardware.
totally
Excellent news!
Back when I had R9 290 and when not playing demanding 3d games, I used to switch to Intel HD Graphics 4600, shaving up to 40 watts depending on the task. Like I was human Nvidia Optimus duh,..
Also iGPU saved my butt more than a few times.
This firmly puts AMD on my purchase list. I am not going anywhere without iGPU.
paying $20 extra for a igpu sku was probably the best value you're gonna get these days out of any piece of hardware.
totally
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#5902575 Posted on: 04/06/2021 02:42 PM
I disagree - GPUs tend to have larger dies than CPUs (yes, I'm including iGPUs here too) and there's already a massive shortage. Considering a pretty significant percentage of the market doesn't need an iGPU, that's a lot of wasted product that we're all paying extra for. The shortage isn't going to end any time soon.
good.they're stupid for not putting it on their chips earilier.
I disagree - GPUs tend to have larger dies than CPUs (yes, I'm including iGPUs here too) and there's already a massive shortage. Considering a pretty significant percentage of the market doesn't need an iGPU, that's a lot of wasted product that we're all paying extra for. The shortage isn't going to end any time soon.
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#5902576 Posted on: 04/06/2021 02:44 PM
depends on the office work but if you are talking about general every day office work then sure Intel has got this market in the palm of their hand. But it's not like AMD hasn't had plenty of APU's on offer that would be perfectly fine doing the same tasks.
The A-series APU's for the time were great for what they offered, then we have the Athlon GE, and now Ryzen APU's have had the 2000, 3000, and currently 4000 (OEM) series.
It's not like AMD hasn't had something on offer at the lower end that would work perfectly fine within a general office environment, its like I said in my previous post AMD have virtually zero marketing when it comes to day to day people. Intel have their signature bing bong tune and their logo at the end of every DELL tv/radio advert. Here in the UK we have stores called CURRYS/PCWORLD and every advert from them I see has the Intel branding. Other than online and some social media I never see any AMD adverts or branding outside of youtube videos and tech forums like this one.
This is something AMD has too address, I think them making the 4000 series OEM only was an attempt to please system sellers.
wrong.not to mention the whole office/work branch that amd just let intel take cause they got a basic video output on their celerons/pentiums/i3s
depends on the office work but if you are talking about general every day office work then sure Intel has got this market in the palm of their hand. But it's not like AMD hasn't had plenty of APU's on offer that would be perfectly fine doing the same tasks.
The A-series APU's for the time were great for what they offered, then we have the Athlon GE, and now Ryzen APU's have had the 2000, 3000, and currently 4000 (OEM) series.
It's not like AMD hasn't had something on offer at the lower end that would work perfectly fine within a general office environment, its like I said in my previous post AMD have virtually zero marketing when it comes to day to day people. Intel have their signature bing bong tune and their logo at the end of every DELL tv/radio advert. Here in the UK we have stores called CURRYS/PCWORLD and every advert from them I see has the Intel branding. Other than online and some social media I never see any AMD adverts or branding outside of youtube videos and tech forums like this one.
This is something AMD has too address, I think them making the 4000 series OEM only was an attempt to please system sellers.
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#5902578 Posted on: 04/06/2021 02:45 PM
Price is only going to rise if there was a igpu in every cpu. Just look at 4750g and 5700g is way overpriced for what it is. You can actually get stronger desktop cpu without igpu aka 5800x.
Price is only going to rise if there was a igpu in every cpu. Just look at 4750g and 5700g is way overpriced for what it is. You can actually get stronger desktop cpu without igpu aka 5800x.
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yes, all the G and GE produced on AM4 are like that, they use 8 PCIe lane to communicate with the CPU part, so whenever you use it or not there is 8 missing for the physical PCIe x16 port and so it work at X8.
Same logic for the Athlon G or GE but this time with half of the PCIe lane as base, so the integrated graphic use 4 PCIe, and it left only 4 to the physical PCIe x16 that work in this case at X4, (and the M2 X4 that work at X2 in this case).
Also as said, AMD really chunk cache in 6 and 8 core with APU to make space on the die for the graphic part...
BTW hilbert will you test the Ryzen 3 4000G in box line?