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The rumor mill the past years has been in 6th gear, and apparently, we're now already talking Ryzen series 7000/ ZEN4. It's a fresh rumor though. See One difference between Intel and AMD is that all their processors have an integrated GPU (iGPU), activated or not.
At the end that is more profitable for intel, as they only have one product to fabricate. AMD has two lines, their APUs, and separated the desktop processors. Basically, that's two different architectures, and this a lot of overhead. Well, that might change with the start of the Ryzen series 7000. Several roadmaps now indicate some of the plans that AMD has, and a Reddit user collected information from multiple sources of the internet and put it together in the image seen below. Although this roadmap has similarities with statements already officially made by AMD, it still a lot of speculation.
But here's how that shapes up to be:
Ryzen 6000 would be based on 6000 Rembrandt architecture (Zen 3+) and Barcelo (Zen 3). New is the (apparent) addition of Navi graphics to Raphael, the Zen 4-based Ryzen 7000 desktop chips. According to users on ChipHell, AMD will switch to an I/O die fabricated at 6 nm with this generation. There would be n IGP in every AMD processor. Phoenix, the Ryzen mobile Ryzen 7000 chip, coming to the desktop as well, would contain a stronger, newer graphic piece based on RDNA 3. It is reported that AMD has internally set the target to achieve 50 percent better performance per watt with RDNA 3 compared to RDNA 2. The step to DDR5 memory may mean that this computing power can also be performed well in an APU.
| Product name | Code name | Architecture | Process | Graphics | Memory | PCI-e |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ryzen 5000 | Vermeer | Zen 3 | 7 nm | - | ddr4 | 4.0 |
| Ryzen 5000G | Cezanne | Zen 3 | 7 nm | Vega | ddr4 | 3.0 |
| Lucienne | Zen 2 | 7 nm | Vega | ddr4 | 3.0 | |
| Ryzen 6000 | Warhol | Zen 3+ | 6 nm | - | ddr4 | 4.0 |
| Ryzen 6000G | Rembrandt | Zen 3+ | 6 nm | RDNA 2 | ddr5 | 4.0 |
| Barcelo | Zen 3 | 7 nm | Vega | ddr4 | 3.0 | |
| Ryzen 7000 | Raphael | Zen 4 | 5 nm | RDNA 2? | ddr5 | 5.0 |
| Ryzen 7000G | Phoenix | Zen 4 | 5 nm | RDNA 3? | ddr5 | 5.0 |
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#5902515 Posted on: 04/06/2021 10:25 AM
To me this would only be a good idea if they were actually capable iGPU parts. Something more in line with an RX570/580/GTX1060, and DDR5 will bring a huge bandwidth boost for any iGPU that can access it.
I think removing the iGPU in the first place on Ryzen was a good idea, it allowed them more space on the substrate for more chiplets and didn't bring the headache of having to include an iGPU chiplet that more than likely barely anyone would use on such high end CPU's.
If you are buying a 5950X are you also going to be using the iGPU? More than likely not your going to have a dedicated GPU in your system.
Sure they are ideal to have in troubleshooting dedicated GPU issues. And AMD could of done a better job of naming/marketing their lower end APU chips.
Imho there is more chance of needing the igpu on a 5950x rather than on a 5600x, if you are doing something that is cpubound and is not a game, a gpu is just a burden.
Of course gamers have theyr own needs.
To me this would only be a good idea if they were actually capable iGPU parts. Something more in line with an RX570/580/GTX1060, and DDR5 will bring a huge bandwidth boost for any iGPU that can access it.
I think removing the iGPU in the first place on Ryzen was a good idea, it allowed them more space on the substrate for more chiplets and didn't bring the headache of having to include an iGPU chiplet that more than likely barely anyone would use on such high end CPU's.
If you are buying a 5950X are you also going to be using the iGPU? More than likely not your going to have a dedicated GPU in your system.
Sure they are ideal to have in troubleshooting dedicated GPU issues. And AMD could of done a better job of naming/marketing their lower end APU chips.
Imho there is more chance of needing the igpu on a 5950x rather than on a 5600x, if you are doing something that is cpubound and is not a game, a gpu is just a burden.
Of course gamers have theyr own needs.
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#5902522 Posted on: 04/06/2021 11:14 AM
You forget that some games can make use of the additional iGPU as a multi GPU setup.
Other thing, that crossed my mind a few times, is the fact that we are adding vector units to all CPUs,
when you have a integrated GPU that has all that and then some.
I would bet a more closed integrated IGPU could boost/offset most of the multimedia and AI workload.
You forget that some games can make use of the additional iGPU as a multi GPU setup.
Other thing, that crossed my mind a few times, is the fact that we are adding vector units to all CPUs,
when you have a integrated GPU that has all that and then some.
I would bet a more closed integrated IGPU could boost/offset most of the multimedia and AI workload.
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#5902523 Posted on: 04/06/2021 11:24 AM
You forget that some games can make use of the additional iGPU as a multi GPU setup.
Other thing, that crossed my mind a few times, is the fact that we are adding vector units to all CPUs,
when you have a integrated GPU that has all that and then some.
I would bet a more closed integrated IGPU could boost/offset most of the multimedia and AI workload.
in which cases can you pair a weak and strong gpu together? Which applications?
You forget that some games can make use of the additional iGPU as a multi GPU setup.
Other thing, that crossed my mind a few times, is the fact that we are adding vector units to all CPUs,
when you have a integrated GPU that has all that and then some.
I would bet a more closed integrated IGPU could boost/offset most of the multimedia and AI workload.
in which cases can you pair a weak and strong gpu together? Which applications?
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#5902530 Posted on: 04/06/2021 12:04 PM
wrong.
paying $20 extra for a igpu sku was probably the best value you're gonna get these days out of any piece of hardware.
if you're between cards,or want to troubleshoot,or most importantly - don't want to play games,you're getting video output for pennies.compare what the cheapest,new dedicated video card that'll let you display desktop costs in comparison - three times as much before the shortage.
I used igpus a lot in my time of building computers.the only reason why I got a non-igpu sku this time is that I'm keeping this 1070 after I get a proper card.
I had my r9 290 trix card up for rma twice,each time took a month.then it allows you to sell your old gpu before new ones drop and still ber able to use the pc.having an igpu for extra few bucks is very,very useful.
not to mention the whole office/work branch that amd just let intel take cause they got a basic video output on their celerons/pentiums/i3s
Nah, it's fine how they do it. It would take up die space for basically no reason on a desktop. That's what APUs are for.
wrong.
paying $20 extra for a igpu sku was probably the best value you're gonna get these days out of any piece of hardware.
if you're between cards,or want to troubleshoot,or most importantly - don't want to play games,you're getting video output for pennies.compare what the cheapest,new dedicated video card that'll let you display desktop costs in comparison - three times as much before the shortage.
I used igpus a lot in my time of building computers.the only reason why I got a non-igpu sku this time is that I'm keeping this 1070 after I get a proper card.
I had my r9 290 trix card up for rma twice,each time took a month.then it allows you to sell your old gpu before new ones drop and still ber able to use the pc.having an igpu for extra few bucks is very,very useful.
not to mention the whole office/work branch that amd just let intel take cause they got a basic video output on their celerons/pentiums/i3s
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If it's anything like my Renoir laptop, these will be good for light gaming and more than enough for the average PC user.
For an enthusiast, it's "nice to have" as a backup but not needed for most.