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RUMOR: NVIDIA to announce the GeForce RTX 3000 in August
According to the latest leaked gossip (and it is just that), NVIDIA would now be launching its new GeForce RTX 3000 at the end of August so that its partners can display their custom models at Computex 2020, which will finally take place from September 28 to 30.
Of course it remains SUPER unsure if Computex will open up at all. The company is expected to launch Tesla and Quadro models first, based on the Ampere architecture. We have already seen leaks with up to 8192 Cuda Cores and 48GB of HBM2E memory.
For gaming, line rumors indicate that GeForce RTX 3080 Ti would get 5376 Cuda Cores, a 384-bit memory bus, 12GB of VRAM offering an estimated 40% performance increase over RTX 2080 Ti. The RTX 3080 could feature 3840 Cuda Cores, 320-bit bus, 10GB ram, 10% better performance than the RTX 2080 Ti. It will be interesting to see if this information ends up being true, or ends up being false rumors.
Rumor: NVIDIA GeForce Ampere to be fabbed at 10nm, all cards RTX ? - 03/12/2020 05:42 PM
We'll probably go back and forth a bit when it comes to the topic of Ampere until NVIDIA lifts all mystery, expected was that NVIDIA's upcoming GPUs would be fabbed at 7nm. However, that fabrication...
Rumor: NVIDIA Ampere GeForce RTX 3070 and RTX 3080 specs surface - 01/20/2020 01:04 PM
It has been a crazy year, lots of leaks and info mostly coming through unknown Twitter accounts. Today we can add to that as alleged specifications of the GeForce RTX 3070 and RTX 3080 have surfaced....
Rumor: Nvidia Reportedly To Acquire Mellanox For $7B - 03/11/2019 08:56 AM
And let me state, this is a very solid rumor. Nvidia would have purchased the American company Mellanox Technologies, the manufacturer of InfiniBand and Ethernet network equipment. Reportedly, Nvidia...
Rumor: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1180 Expected in July? - 05/18/2018 08:06 AM
A new generation of graphics cards from Nvidia would become available in July, according to close-lipped sources from Tom's Hardware. The next-gen GPUs would be based on the Turing platform, but de...
Rumor: Nvidia Ampere might launch as GeForce GTX 2070 and 2080 on April 12th - 02/09/2018 04:07 PM
It's been silent with new graphics card releases from Nvidia. We've mentioned it a couple of times already, we really do not expect Volta with HBM2 to reach consumer grade graphics anytime soon. The...
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#5773842 Posted on: 03/27/2020 10:00 AM
Don't worry, people who pay $1k for GPU, won't change their mind. Nothing changes. Can't play 99.9% PC games that not available on consoles.
Considering the apparent RDNA2 gfx performance from these next gen consoles, I would think it suicidal for "PC gaming" to have the dedicated equivalents (AMD, Nvidia, etc) costing significantly more than we would 'expect' - across the stack. With these consoles, the consumer is getting a serious generational performance uplift for the price. Ngreedia raised the price bar way above the consumer-expected price/perf range, but they did this because there was no competition and because they were 'apparently' offering something we would blissfully swallow. With next gen performance and "RTX-gate", I'd like to think pricing will get addressed, that is, if they give a damn about that market. Then again, whoever supplies console gfx perhaps won't care...as long as they have the contract. Hmmm...then does AMD really need to significantly undercut Ngreedia? Damn!!??
Don't worry, people who pay $1k for GPU, won't change their mind. Nothing changes. Can't play 99.9% PC games that not available on consoles.
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#5773847 Posted on: 03/27/2020 10:26 AM
No 800€ max for me.
€1500 anyone?
No 800€ max for me.
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#5773915 Posted on: 03/27/2020 02:31 PM
I hope this means raster performance and not RT performance.
Shhh, if we say it too many times it will actually happen
Let's start mentioning $699 or 799 at most :p
For gaming, line rumors indicate that GeForce RTX 3080 Ti would get 5376 Cuda Cores, a 384-bit memory bus, 12GB of VRAM offering an estimated 40% performance increase over RTX 2080 Ti.
I hope this means raster performance and not RT performance.
€1500 anyone?
Shhh, if we say it too many times it will actually happen
Let's start mentioning $699 or 799 at most :p
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#5773917 Posted on: 03/27/2020 03:03 PM
There is obviously an Nvidia tax going on but at the same time manufacturing isn't getting cheaper anymore.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-beae74526acc97b24df7a65c07618cb4
https://img.deusm.com/eetimes/2016/06/1329887/Handel1.png
Previously, up to about 28nm, every single new node dropped the $/transistor by a fair amount. That isn't happening anymore, at all - the cost scaling completely stopped. So a new GPU with double the number of transistors now costs them twice as much to manufacture. On top of that, the tools needed to engineer, QA and verify the chips all cost significantly more now. There are far less players in the industry at these sizes (for example ASML is literally the only company that can fabricate any kind of equipment for 7nm/5nm production/metrology/inspection) and the equipment out of companies like Cadence that are bought to design these things at sub 14nm cost 10x what they did at 28nm.
So I think no matter what the costs are going to go up far more than we are used to. The industry isn't scaling at a rate to offset the cost and all the scaling that made it cheaper is now gone. Couple that with the need for more advanced/complex systems like 3D, HBM, etc - it's only going to drive the cost up even more.
Considering the apparent RDNA2 gfx performance from these next gen consoles, I would think it suicidal for "PC gaming" to have the dedicated equivalents (AMD, Nvidia, etc) costing significantly more than we would 'expect' - across the stack. With these consoles, the consumer is getting a serious generational performance uplift for the price. Ngreedia raised the price bar way above the consumer-expected price/perf range, but they did this because there was no competition and because they were 'apparently' offering something we would blissfully swallow. With next gen performance and "RTX-gate", I'd like to think pricing will get addressed, that is, if they give a damn about that market. Then again, whoever supplies console gfx perhaps won't care...as long as they have the contract. Hmmm...then does AMD really need to significantly undercut Ngreedia? Damn!!??
There is obviously an Nvidia tax going on but at the same time manufacturing isn't getting cheaper anymore.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-beae74526acc97b24df7a65c07618cb4
https://img.deusm.com/eetimes/2016/06/1329887/Handel1.png
Previously, up to about 28nm, every single new node dropped the $/transistor by a fair amount. That isn't happening anymore, at all - the cost scaling completely stopped. So a new GPU with double the number of transistors now costs them twice as much to manufacture. On top of that, the tools needed to engineer, QA and verify the chips all cost significantly more now. There are far less players in the industry at these sizes (for example ASML is literally the only company that can fabricate any kind of equipment for 7nm/5nm production/metrology/inspection) and the equipment out of companies like Cadence that are bought to design these things at sub 14nm cost 10x what they did at 28nm.
So I think no matter what the costs are going to go up far more than we are used to. The industry isn't scaling at a rate to offset the cost and all the scaling that made it cheaper is now gone. Couple that with the need for more advanced/complex systems like 3D, HBM, etc - it's only going to drive the cost up even more.
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Considering the apparent RDNA2 gfx performance from these next gen consoles, I would think it suicidal for "PC gaming" to have the dedicated equivalents (AMD, Nvidia, etc) costing significantly more than we would 'expect' - across the stack. With these consoles, the consumer is getting a serious generational performance uplift for the price. Ngreedia raised the price bar way above the consumer-expected price/perf range, but they did this because there was no competition and because they were 'apparently' offering something we would blissfully swallow. With next gen performance and "RTX-gate", I'd like to think pricing will get addressed, that is, if they give a damn about that market. Then again, whoever supplies console gfx perhaps won't care...as long as they have the contract. Hmmm...then does AMD really need to significantly undercut Ngreedia? Damn!!??