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Guru3D.com » News » Rumor: NVIDIA is interested in purchasing ARM (updated)

Rumor: NVIDIA is interested in purchasing ARM (updated)

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 07/31/2020 06:21 PM | source: bloomberg | 56 comment(s)
Rumor: NVIDIA is interested in purchasing ARM (updated)

Nvidia is said to be interested in obtaining chip designer Arm. That is what sources involved in this say to financial news agency Bloomberg. Last week it was revealed that SoftBank, the current owner of Arm, would be considering a sale.

Nvidia has, according to Bloomberg sources, approached Arm in recent weeks about a possible acquisition. According to the sources, other bidders could emerge, but details are not yet known. Four years ago ARM was acquired by Softbank for a sum of 29 billion euros, and since then the value raised. Nvidia may have the means to acquire ARM after having recently been listed higher than Intel, but whether Nvidia's interest will eventually lead to a deal with SoftBank remains to be seen. Should it come to this, it would be the largest takeover in the history of the chip industry. A takeover of Arm will be watched by numerous authorities as many companies depend on its technology. An acquisition of Arm by Nvidia will mean a shift in the market and increase Nvidia's chances of growing in different markets.

Updated: Bloomberg now reports that NVIDIA is in advanced talks:

 -- Bloomberg -- 

Nvidia Corp. is in advanced talks to acquire Arm Ltd., the chip designer that SoftBank Group Corp. bought for $32 billion four years ago, according to people familiar with the matter.

The two parties aim to reach a deal in the next few weeks, the people said, asking not to be identified because the information is private. Nvidia is the only suitor in concrete discussions with SoftBank, according to the people.

A deal for Arm could be the largest ever in the semiconductor industry, which has been consolidating in recent years as companies seek to diversify and add scale. Cambridge, England-based Arm’s technology underpins chips in products including Apple Inc. devices and connected appliances.

No final decisions have been made, and the negotiations could drag on longer or fall apart, the people said. SoftBank may gauge interest from other suitors if it can’t reach an agreement with Nvidia, the people said. Representatives for Nvidia, SoftBank and Arm declined to comment.

Any deal with Nvidia, which is a customer of Arm, would likely trigger regulatory scrutiny as well as a wave of opposition from other users of the company’s technology. Other Arm clients could demand assurances that a new owner would continue providing equal access to Arm’s instruction set. Such concerns resulted in SoftBank, a neutral company, buying Arm the last time it was for sale.

A deal for Arm could become the biggest-ever acquisition in the chip industry, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Arm is owned by SoftBank and its $100 billion Vision Fund. The Japanese group bought Arm, which at the time was the U.K.’s largest listed technology company, for about $32 billion in 2016.







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schmidtbag
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#5814281 Posted on: 08/03/2020 12:58 AM
There are lots of funny comments, I understand that many like to see the tech industry in a overly romanticized way but things aren't so simple to be divided in good and evil, it's more like different shade of gray and there are also wolfs in sheep's clothing...

Where did I say otherwise? If you actually read my post, you'd see that my perspective on the matter is very gray.
It's interesting you are worried for Qualcomm when they was them that have been fined for anti-competitive practices for selling SoC bundled with modems at artificially low prices to push emerging competition (NVIDIA and modem made by Intel to name the biggest) out of the market...

Where did I say I was worried about Qualcomm?
Anyway, I would really like to know what kind of "proprietary nonsense" NVIDIA would plan to add to an already proprietary ISA (yes, ARM ISA is proprietary), maybe some proprietary extension?... :rolleyes:

ARM can be licensed. Assuming Nvidia keeps the licensing (which they might not, if they intend to monopolize the market), they can do what they did with their GPUs: make a technology needlessly exclusive to their platform, forcing customers and developers to "pick a side". If you buy Nvidia, great - you have nothing to worry about. But it's very anti-consumer to tether people to a single company.
Some examples on the GPU side of things were CUDA, PhysX, G-Sync, OptiX, etc. None of those had to be made proprietary.
I do not fault Nvidia for things like SLI, DLSS, and certain media codecs, since those things are too heavily tied to their hardware.
You probably don't know but NVIDIA is one of the main RISC-V supporter and the first to use it in a high performance mass produced product (Volta, Turing and I think even Pascal use RISC-V for GPU internal controller)

How in any way is that relevant? RISC-V is open-source; Nvidia can do whatever they want with it. That has nothing to do with whatever they plan to do with ARM.

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#5814294 Posted on: 08/03/2020 05:58 AM
Dudes

I'm all for you having good conversation, but you guys need to not do multiple posts in a row! Edit!

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#5814295 Posted on: 08/03/2020 06:01 AM
The more I think about this, the more I think Nvidia is going to make massively parallel, multi-chip modules that will run CUDA on ARM cores. Just think about what has been done with ARM cores so far - eighty cores with four-way symmetric multi-threading. I suspect they will make an ARM-based equivalent of a streaming multiprocessor with eight-way SMT and sixty-four cores for 512 threads on a chip, possibly 4x64 for 256 threads. That will be on one module and the MCM will contain up to eight of them for 4096 (or 2048) threads in a single package. The really cool thing about this is it would not be a co-processor like a GPU is so no additional data transfer would be necessary. Just imagine the super computer that could be built with those and how low its power consumption would be. I think this is going to be really impressive and it will change the direction of HPC and super computers.

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#5814650 Posted on: 08/04/2020 09:29 AM
Nvida to buy arm, they would lock it down make some proprietary crap out of it and then try to sell it like it's their actual developed baby.

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#5814660 Posted on: 08/04/2020 10:08 AM
Nvida to buy arm, they would lock it down make some proprietary crap out of it and then try to sell it like it's their actual developed baby.

isn't softbank's model already collecting royalty and license fees

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