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Rumor: AMD Ryzen 6000 Rembrandt APUs Already In Mass Production
AMD's packaging operations in China, according to leaked information from dataminer Greymon55, will have six new products ready to debut in the first half of 2022. The zen3+ architecture, which is an APU, would already be in production.
AMD Rembrandt is expected to be released as the Ryzen 6000 processor for desktop and laptop computers in the near future. The Ryzen 5000 series, codenamed Cezanne, will be replaced by the 6000U and 6000H series, which will be released at the same time as AMD's 3D V-Cache-based desktop processors are unveiled.
In a number of leaked schematics, Rembrandt has already been identified as having either Zen3 or Zen3 Plus architectures. They quite possibly are the first processors to enable DDR5 memory compatibility, even before the high-end Raphael CPUs, which are anticipated to launch later this year or early the following year. It is also expected that the Rembrandts will be based on TSMC's 6nm technology.
Nonetheless, the integrated Navi2 visuals will be the most significant enhancement provided by Rembrandt. Graphics that are the same as those found in the Van Gogh APU of Valve's portable console, the Steam Deck Because Rembrandt is a more powerful APU, it is highly likely that the GPU will have more cores and perform at a higher level of performance. The rumored AMD schematics are constantly being updated. AMD did not confirm its products beyond 2022. And also none of these names: Raphael, Phoenix, Granite Ride and Strix Point have appeared in official company statements.
| Alleged AMD Zen Roadmap | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Zen2 | Zen3 | Zen3+/Zen3D | Zen4 | Zen5 | |
| Server | EPYC 7002 Rome 7nm (Zen2) |
EPYC 7003 Milan 7nm (Zen3) |
EPYC 7003 Milan-X 7nm (Zen3D) |
EPYC 7004 Genoa 5nm (Zen4) |
EPYC 7005 Turin 3nm (Zen5) |
| HEDT | Threadripper 3000 Castle Peak 7nm (Zen2) |
Threadripper 5000 Chagall 7nm (Zen3) |
- | - | - |
| Client | Ryzen 3000Matisse 7nm (Zen2) |
Ryzen 5000 Vermeer 7nm (Zen3) |
Ryzen 6000 Vermeer-X3D 7nm (Zen3D) |
Ryzen 7000 Raphael 5nm (Zen4) |
Ryzen 8000 Granite Ridge 3nm (Zen5) |
| APU |
Ryzen 4000Renoir |
Ryzen 5000 Cezanne 7nm (Zen3) |
Ryzen 6000 Rembrandt 6nm (Zen3+) |
Ryzen 7000 Phoenix 5nm (Zen4) |
Ryzen 8000 Strix Point 3nm (Zen5+Zen4D) |
Rembrandt could be unveiled at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in 2022. AMD debuted the Ryzen 4000 Renoir and Ryzen 5000 Cezanne processors at this expo. The NVIDIA RTX 3000 series was introduced at the same time as the latter. NVIDIA is expected to enhance its line of GPUs with the Ampere GA103 chip, which will be part of a new SUPER series. This would be an excellent opportunity to publicize Rembrandt's work.
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#5944613 Posted on: 09/07/2021 05:44 PM
Now these should be amazing and a great way to use that 3D stacked cache for increased CPU and more importantly iGPU bandwidth.
4core 8thread 65W TDP @ 4.2GHz boost w/ 8MB L3 cache / 16MB 3D cache 10CU (10x64= 640 shaders) 1GHz GPU clock @ $249.99/299.99
6core 12thread 65W TDP @ 4.4GHz boost w/ 16MB L3 cache / 32MB 3D cache 14CU (14x64=896 shaders) 1.2GHz GPU clock @ $299.99/349.99
8core 16thread 95W TDP @ 4.6GHz boost w/ 32MB L3 cache / 64MB 3D cache 16CU (16x64=1024 shaders) 1.5GHz GPU clock @ $349.99/399.99
My predictions tell me if I am crazy lol :p Could be pie in the sky though more than likely it is lol :p. With new tech like 3d cache I think pricing will be a massive concern here. Is the 3d cache a replacement or L3 or does it act more like a L4 cache? Is the 3D cache going to be split? or will it be unified and all avaliable to either CPU or iGPU?
Will these support AM4? B4XX series? or locked to B5XX series? Are these going to be AM5 only? Are they going to be at retail or OEM only?
Unlike Intel (who use a single monolithic die and laser off sections of cache and cores to create SKUs) Ryzen CPU cache size is tied directly to the number of CCDs on the CPU. This was why gaming performance of the Ryzen 5000 chips showed a smaller delta in performance from the 5600 to the 5900 than the Core i5 10xxx to i9 10xxx chips did - game performance is much more cache dependent than it is core dependent.
Since their APUs (at least thus far) have had the GPU take the place of one of the CCDs, all of the APU SKUs for Ryzen 6000 should have the same 96MB (32 on-die + 64 stacked) cache. Non-APU models will have either 96 or 192 depending on the number of CCDs.
My guess is that they will lock the R6000 chips into the 5xx series, mostly because the 4xx ones still supporting the Ryzen 1000 series chips doesn't leave enough room on the BIOS ROM to do it. They have already had to drop some CPUs on the 4xx chipsets in order to do the R5000 chips, so either they will have to drop even more to get them to work or just leave them behind.
Now these should be amazing and a great way to use that 3D stacked cache for increased CPU and more importantly iGPU bandwidth.
4core 8thread 65W TDP @ 4.2GHz boost w/ 8MB L3 cache / 16MB 3D cache 10CU (10x64= 640 shaders) 1GHz GPU clock @ $249.99/299.99
6core 12thread 65W TDP @ 4.4GHz boost w/ 16MB L3 cache / 32MB 3D cache 14CU (14x64=896 shaders) 1.2GHz GPU clock @ $299.99/349.99
8core 16thread 95W TDP @ 4.6GHz boost w/ 32MB L3 cache / 64MB 3D cache 16CU (16x64=1024 shaders) 1.5GHz GPU clock @ $349.99/399.99
My predictions tell me if I am crazy lol :p Could be pie in the sky though more than likely it is lol :p. With new tech like 3d cache I think pricing will be a massive concern here. Is the 3d cache a replacement or L3 or does it act more like a L4 cache? Is the 3D cache going to be split? or will it be unified and all avaliable to either CPU or iGPU?
Will these support AM4? B4XX series? or locked to B5XX series? Are these going to be AM5 only? Are they going to be at retail or OEM only?
Unlike Intel (who use a single monolithic die and laser off sections of cache and cores to create SKUs) Ryzen CPU cache size is tied directly to the number of CCDs on the CPU. This was why gaming performance of the Ryzen 5000 chips showed a smaller delta in performance from the 5600 to the 5900 than the Core i5 10xxx to i9 10xxx chips did - game performance is much more cache dependent than it is core dependent.
Since their APUs (at least thus far) have had the GPU take the place of one of the CCDs, all of the APU SKUs for Ryzen 6000 should have the same 96MB (32 on-die + 64 stacked) cache. Non-APU models will have either 96 or 192 depending on the number of CCDs.
My guess is that they will lock the R6000 chips into the 5xx series, mostly because the 4xx ones still supporting the Ryzen 1000 series chips doesn't leave enough room on the BIOS ROM to do it. They have already had to drop some CPUs on the 4xx chipsets in order to do the R5000 chips, so either they will have to drop even more to get them to work or just leave them behind.
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#5944625 Posted on: 09/07/2021 06:42 PM
5900x is a unicorn, but there are plenty of 5950's
actually, APU production is not an issue. this is not a gpu with multiple vendors before you even add silicon.
this has only one pit stop from fabrication before shipping/distribution and that's packaging. and the number of wafers being fabbed is way up.
Europe is always last as they're the furthest, while the priority is North America.
idk about this rumor, but the timelines are about right.
The 6K series is coming and it's still difficult to find a 5900X in stock. I'm going to go ahead say we have different definitions of "pretty good".
5900x is a unicorn, but there are plenty of 5950's
actually, APU production is not an issue. this is not a gpu with multiple vendors before you even add silicon.
this has only one pit stop from fabrication before shipping/distribution and that's packaging. and the number of wafers being fabbed is way up.
Europe is always last as they're the furthest, while the priority is North America.
idk about this rumor, but the timelines are about right.
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#5944702 Posted on: 09/08/2021 12:36 AM
AMD need to put an DDR5 APU with the 52CU APU used in Xbox. It will mop the floor on both CPU & GPU segments.
And we see that Xbox APU already in PCs but with the IGP cut off.
I wonder some times if someone managed to put a proper Xbox APU on that PC
AMD need to put an DDR5 APU with the 52CU APU used in Xbox. It will mop the floor on both CPU & GPU segments.
And we see that Xbox APU already in PCs but with the IGP cut off.
I wonder some times if someone managed to put a proper Xbox APU on that PC
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#5944717 Posted on: 09/08/2021 03:30 AM
AMD need to put an DDR5 APU with the 52CU APU used in Xbox. It will mop the floor on both CPU & GPU segments.
And we see that Xbox APU already in PCs but with the IGP cut off.
Would be cool but unless they sell u the whole board with the gddr5 or 6 soldered already to the board this is impossible and it would cost close to the price of a good gpu or console anyways so nor sure u would save anything
I wonder some times if someone managed to put a proper Xbox APU on that PC
AMD need to put an DDR5 APU with the 52CU APU used in Xbox. It will mop the floor on both CPU & GPU segments.
And we see that Xbox APU already in PCs but with the IGP cut off.
Would be cool but unless they sell u the whole board with the gddr5 or 6 soldered already to the board this is impossible and it would cost close to the price of a good gpu or console anyways so nor sure u would save anything
I wonder some times if someone managed to put a proper Xbox APU on that PC
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Now these should be amazing and a great way to use that 3D stacked cache for increased CPU and more importantly iGPU bandwidth.
4core 8thread 65W TDP @ 4.2GHz boost w/ 8MB L3 cache / 16MB 3D cache 10CU (10x64= 640 shaders) 1GHz GPU clock @ $249.99/299.99
6core 12thread 65W TDP @ 4.4GHz boost w/ 16MB L3 cache / 32MB 3D cache 14CU (14x64=896 shaders) 1.2GHz GPU clock @ $299.99/349.99
8core 16thread 95W TDP @ 4.6GHz boost w/ 32MB L3 cache / 64MB 3D cache 16CU (16x64=1024 shaders) 1.5GHz GPU clock @ $349.99/399.99
My predictions tell me if I am crazy lol
Will these support AM4? B4XX series? or locked to B5XX series? Are these going to be AM5 only? Are they going to be at retail or OEM only?