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Rumor: AMD gets priority advantage to Hynix HBM2
This is an interesting story, apparently AMD secured the luxury of getting exclusive access to Hynix HBM2 graphics memory. The second iteration of High bandwith memory (stacked memory to be used on-die on the GPU) would be limited in its availability, AMD this way can secure exclusive access to it.
The rumor comes from wccftech though, so that is a bit icky as any news is news for that website, whether it's wrong or right doesn't matter. Based on a claim from 'sources within AMD' AMD is trying to get their hands on pretty much all HBM2 memory to block Nvidia. Nvidia will be using HBM2 with Pascal GPUs that should be released in 2016.
It also isn't sure if Hynix indeed is the company involved, however since Hynix is the only party making 3D stacked HBM graphics memory, that kinda speaks for itself. The current limitation for HBM graphics memory basically is the clock frequency, the number of stacks and thus the 4 GB limitation. Foir HBM2 that will change ,more stacks means more memory and the bandwidth in gen 2 would be higher as well. looking at some documents, the memory bandwith will be doubled up and HBM2 will allow for a total of 8GB of graphics memory.
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#5121362 Posted on: 07/13/2015 07:37 PM
Yeah Wccf.
Yeah Wccf.
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#5121373 Posted on: 07/13/2015 07:48 PM
Once that happens, game devs and Nvidia will move the goal posts further (with a gameworks 2 or whatever) and cripple 2016 cards
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We can’t wait for 2016, HBM2 enables memory capacities right times as large as what HBM1 can deliver today and memory bandwidth figures upwards of one terabytes per second. The current flock of enthusiast graphics cards from Nvidia and AMD can run most graphically demanding games like The Witcher 3 and Crysis 3 at 30+ FPS. Next year however may very well be when most graphically intensive games can finally be maxed out at 4K with a more agreeable 60 FPS average and HBM2 will play a crucial part in making that possible. 4K monitors have gone down in price considerably in the past couple of years and continue to become more affordable. 2016 might just be when 4K become what 2560×1440 is today and 1440p in turn replaces 1080p as the new mainstream resolution for PC gamers.
Once that happens, game devs and Nvidia will move the goal posts further (with a gameworks 2 or whatever) and cripple 2016 cards
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#5121389 Posted on: 07/13/2015 08:02 PM
Really I'm waiting for HBM on APU's. The AM1 boxes I have built for the house are good for streaming steam games, but wanted something with a little more push behind it and still an all in one package.
Really I'm waiting for HBM on APU's. The AM1 boxes I have built for the house are good for streaming steam games, but wanted something with a little more push behind it and still an all in one package.
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#5121414 Posted on: 07/13/2015 08:33 PM
Wccf..journalism at it finest.
Wccf..journalism at it finest.
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#5121519 Posted on: 07/13/2015 11:33 PM
lol they made the nv summer sales seem like they were going out of business
but good for amd if true since they have to work on it....or do something
so the next cards I get don't cost 2000usd
Wccf..journalism at it finest.
lol they made the nv summer sales seem like they were going out of business
but good for amd if true since they have to work on it....or do something
so the next cards I get don't cost 2000usd
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#5121590 Posted on: 07/14/2015 02:53 AM
This is what I have felt about Fiji all along. AMD would be well ahead of NV in the Pascal vs Arctic Islands. They have already cracked HBM where as it would be NV's first attempt.
Fury may not sell as well hoped(I plan on buying one tho)But the preemptive strike for the next gen has happened
This is what I have felt about Fiji all along. AMD would be well ahead of NV in the Pascal vs Arctic Islands. They have already cracked HBM where as it would be NV's first attempt.
Fury may not sell as well hoped(I plan on buying one tho)But the preemptive strike for the next gen has happened
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#5121631 Posted on: 07/14/2015 07:01 AM
This is what I have felt about Fiji all along. AMD would be well ahead of NV in the Pascal vs Arctic Islands. They have already cracked HBM where as it would be NV's first attempt.
Fury may not sell as well hoped(I plan on buying one tho)But the preemptive strike for the next gen has happened
What do you think is going to happen exactly? Nvidia selling engineering samples of an architecture that they haven't prepared for HBM?
This is what I have felt about Fiji all along. AMD would be well ahead of NV in the Pascal vs Arctic Islands. They have already cracked HBM where as it would be NV's first attempt.
Fury may not sell as well hoped(I plan on buying one tho)But the preemptive strike for the next gen has happened
What do you think is going to happen exactly? Nvidia selling engineering samples of an architecture that they haven't prepared for HBM?
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#5121844 Posted on: 07/14/2015 02:36 PM
Well seeing as AMD developed this tech exclusively in conjunction with Hynix,. I really don't think either Hynix or AMD just gonna pass on all their R6D or tech to NV do you? So that means NV has to come up with their own take on it...From scratch. So as I said AMD is already one step ahead of NV.
HBM didn't exist until AMD and Hynix came up with it.
What do you think is going to happen exactly? Nvidia selling engineering samples of an architecture that they haven't prepared for HBM?
Well seeing as AMD developed this tech exclusively in conjunction with Hynix,. I really don't think either Hynix or AMD just gonna pass on all their R6D or tech to NV do you? So that means NV has to come up with their own take on it...From scratch. So as I said AMD is already one step ahead of NV.
HBM didn't exist until AMD and Hynix came up with it.
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#5121851 Posted on: 07/14/2015 02:49 PM
Well seeing as AMD developed this tech exclusively in conjunction with Hynix,. I really don't think either Hynix or AMD just gonna pass on all their R6D or tech to NV do you? So that means NV has to come up with their own take on it...From scratch. So as I said AMD is already one step ahead of NV.
HBM didn't exist until AMD and Hynix came up with it.
HBM is a JEDEC standard. It's not proprietary. It's no different then what AMD did with GDDR. Nvidia was going with a different tech, developed by Intel and Micron, called HMC, but it got delayed so they are switching to HBM (Which is the better standard for GPU's anyway).
Regardless, Nvidia doesn't have to develop it's own take, it's a standard. TSMC/Samsung/GF will/have all developed approved methods for manufacturing it. The hard part for Nvidia will be to build an architecture that communicates/works with it. I'm sure they'll manage. But PASCAL is definitely going to be a major launch for them. A lot of new technologies all coming together.
Well seeing as AMD developed this tech exclusively in conjunction with Hynix,. I really don't think either Hynix or AMD just gonna pass on all their R6D or tech to NV do you? So that means NV has to come up with their own take on it...From scratch. So as I said AMD is already one step ahead of NV.
HBM didn't exist until AMD and Hynix came up with it.
HBM is a JEDEC standard. It's not proprietary. It's no different then what AMD did with GDDR. Nvidia was going with a different tech, developed by Intel and Micron, called HMC, but it got delayed so they are switching to HBM (Which is the better standard for GPU's anyway).
Regardless, Nvidia doesn't have to develop it's own take, it's a standard. TSMC/Samsung/GF will/have all developed approved methods for manufacturing it. The hard part for Nvidia will be to build an architecture that communicates/works with it. I'm sure they'll manage. But PASCAL is definitely going to be a major launch for them. A lot of new technologies all coming together.
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#5121918 Posted on: 07/14/2015 04:34 PM
Mid range segment could become more interesting. If the past is any indicator, memory bandwidth was often something the mid range segment really ... well sucked at.
Mid range segment could become more interesting. If the past is any indicator, memory bandwidth was often something the mid range segment really ... well sucked at.
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#5121930 Posted on: 07/14/2015 04:58 PM
Really I'm waiting for HBM on APU's. The AM1 boxes I have built for the house are good for streaming steam games, but wanted something with a little more push behind it and still an all in one package.
+1 to HBM APUs, especially if they are 8CPU cores Zen + 16~32 graphics cores.
Idea of having this kind of SoC at size of Fury X + to just plug in PSU + HDD and it would just work. It could steal sales from mATX and maybe even ATX too.
HBM is a JEDEC standard. It's not proprietary. It's no different then what AMD did with GDDR. Nvidia was going with a different tech, developed by Intel and Micron, called HMC, but it got delayed so they are switching to HBM (Which is the better standard for GPU's anyway).
Regardless, Nvidia doesn't have to develop it's own take, it's a standard. TSMC/Samsung/GF will/have all developed approved methods for manufacturing it. The hard part for Nvidia will be to build an architecture that communicates/works with it. I'm sure they'll manage. But PASCAL is definitely going to be a major launch for them. A lot of new technologies all coming together.
HMC not only got delayed, but is not exactly best suited for GPUs due to its memory controller. While it is great idea and very universal, I think it is better for clean CPU.
Really I'm waiting for HBM on APU's. The AM1 boxes I have built for the house are good for streaming steam games, but wanted something with a little more push behind it and still an all in one package.
+1 to HBM APUs, especially if they are 8CPU cores Zen + 16~32 graphics cores.
Idea of having this kind of SoC at size of Fury X + to just plug in PSU + HDD and it would just work. It could steal sales from mATX and maybe even ATX too.
HBM is a JEDEC standard. It's not proprietary. It's no different then what AMD did with GDDR. Nvidia was going with a different tech, developed by Intel and Micron, called HMC, but it got delayed so they are switching to HBM (Which is the better standard for GPU's anyway).
Regardless, Nvidia doesn't have to develop it's own take, it's a standard. TSMC/Samsung/GF will/have all developed approved methods for manufacturing it. The hard part for Nvidia will be to build an architecture that communicates/works with it. I'm sure they'll manage. But PASCAL is definitely going to be a major launch for them. A lot of new technologies all coming together.
HMC not only got delayed, but is not exactly best suited for GPUs due to its memory controller. While it is great idea and very universal, I think it is better for clean CPU.
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#5121948 Posted on: 07/14/2015 05:28 PM
It will be interesting to see how this actually pans out.
It will be interesting to see how this actually pans out.
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#5122051 Posted on: 07/14/2015 08:23 PM
4k or not, i'm looking for a card that can play all games 100% maxed out, at least 120fps on 1440p, single card...
Never happened never will, i guess i'm looking for too much
4k or not, i'm looking for a card that can play all games 100% maxed out, at least 120fps on 1440p, single card...
Never happened never will, i guess i'm looking for too much
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#5122057 Posted on: 07/14/2015 08:36 PM
New GPU and CPU architectures, new manufacturing processes... Well, 2016 should be interesting
New GPU and CPU architectures, new manufacturing processes... Well, 2016 should be interesting
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That is pretty fast.