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Rumor: AMD allegedly to release seven NAVI GPUs but faces efficiency issues
YouTube channel Adored TV discussed alleged specifications of AMD's upcoming Navi GPUs in a video. It is mentioned that AMD will release the GPUs as a Radeon RX 30xx series with the Radeon RX 3090 XT as the flagship model (NAVI20).
This is one of these posts where you need to take the information into account with a massive grain of salt, please. Navi 20 would be postponed until the first quarter of 2020 as AMD has problems with the efficiency of the chips. The rumor mentions that AMD would release a total of seven GPUs based on the Navi generation. A Navi 12 chip with 32 or 40 compute units. Three Navi 10 variants would come with 48 to 56 CUs. The two top models would be equipped with a larger Navi 20 chip, which would receive 60 or 64 compute units.
Adored TV mentions that AMD has issues with the efficiency of the 7nm chips, energy consumption and heat development would be high for specifically the Navi 20 samples. To compensate AMD would only be able to lower clock, which would be lower than 7nm Radeon VII. Navi 20 GPUs (premium GPU) would be delayed until the first quarter of 2020. The midrange NAVI video cards would still be released in the third quarter of this year.
The source of the information is difficult to trace, the information new, however, can't be dismissed either. Please take common sense and the usual disclaimers in mind.
| Model | GPU | Compute Units | VRAM | TDP | Performance | Prices (Rumor) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| RX 3090 XT | Navi 20 | 64 | - | 225W | Radeon VII + 10% | $ 500 US |
| RX 3090 | Navi 20 | 60 | - | 180W | ~ Radeon VII | $ 430 US |
| RX 3080 XT | Navi 10 | 56 | - | 190W | ~ RTX 2070 | $ 330 US |
| RX 3080 | Navi 10 | 52 | 8GB GDDR6 | 175W | Vega 64 + 10% | $ 280 US |
| RX 3070 XT | Navi 10 | 48 | - | 160W | Vega 64 | $ 250 US |
| RX 3070 | Navi 12 | 40 | 8GB GDDR6 | 130W | Vega 56 | $ 200 US |
| RX 3060 | Navi 12 | 32 | 4GB GDDR6 | 75W | RX 580 | $ 140 US |
Table: Wccftech
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#5666172 Posted on: 05/06/2019 09:48 AM
Those naming convention smack of someone with an inferiority complex.
Those naming convention smack of someone with an inferiority complex.
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#5666179 Posted on: 05/06/2019 10:18 AM
These seem pretty good tbh. If they are true that is...
These seem pretty good tbh. If they are true that is...
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#5666180 Posted on: 05/06/2019 10:19 AM
Better this instead of Over-Hype :p
Navi will be priced good & will have solid performance IMhO.
Note:
Don't believe in +25% Radeon VII hype
Resonable is to hope that will be ~Vega 56/64 at 150-175tW with price tag of max to 249€
If so, it will be great success for ATI/AMD Team.
Better this instead of Over-Hype :p
Navi will be priced good & will have solid performance IMhO.
Note:
Don't believe in +25% Radeon VII hype
Resonable is to hope that will be ~Vega 56/64 at 150-175tW with price tag of max to 249€
If so, it will be great success for ATI/AMD Team.
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#5666182 Posted on: 05/06/2019 10:22 AM
I wasn't aiming for a Navi 20 card, but I find it hard to believe that the heat and efficiency issues only affect the top tier cards.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Vega cards aren't cool or efficient either. Which raises the question: Is it worth buying a Navi card, or just wait for the next (non-GCN) architecture?
I'm a little bit disappointed, but let's wait and see. If Navi 10 can deliver RTX 2070 performance at less than 200W for ~400€, I'll buy one.
I wasn't aiming for a Navi 20 card, but I find it hard to believe that the heat and efficiency issues only affect the top tier cards.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Vega cards aren't cool or efficient either. Which raises the question: Is it worth buying a Navi card, or just wait for the next (non-GCN) architecture?
I'm a little bit disappointed, but let's wait and see. If Navi 10 can deliver RTX 2070 performance at less than 200W for ~400€, I'll buy one.
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#5666183 Posted on: 05/06/2019 10:26 AM
Better this instead of Over-Hype :p
Agreed 101% on that one !
Don't believe in +25% Radeon VII hype
honestly .... i was not expecting navi to ever release anything on vegaVII level i thought this market (meaning v.high end ) was now for the next thing after navi .
Better this instead of Over-Hype :p
Agreed 101% on that one !
Don't believe in +25% Radeon VII hype
honestly .... i was not expecting navi to ever release anything on vegaVII level i thought this market (meaning v.high end ) was now for the next thing after navi .
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#5666187 Posted on: 05/06/2019 10:38 AM
Wasn't the estimate somewhere around Vega 56 - 64 and VII still as the top performer until whatever larger GPU AMD unveils which could or could not be big Navi or possibly something else for next year.
Efficiency and other improvements could still make a difference though, 285 on Tonga over the earlier architecture or how the 580 started closing in on the Fury GPU's though the 4 GB VRAM was also a bit of a limit for that.
Will be interesting to hear more about these and especially see reviews and such, performance, power draw and that (ALL the power again AMD or maybe less voltage? Ha ha. Well it does help overclocks and undervolting I suppose.) and more.
EDIT: Hmm well they could make a 3090 water-block variant too I suppose but we'll see.
And even if they don't enthusiasts and third party kits will do it. Will be interesting to see how big of a difference that could make then.
Wasn't the estimate somewhere around Vega 56 - 64 and VII still as the top performer until whatever larger GPU AMD unveils which could or could not be big Navi or possibly something else for next year.
Efficiency and other improvements could still make a difference though, 285 on Tonga over the earlier architecture or how the 580 started closing in on the Fury GPU's though the 4 GB VRAM was also a bit of a limit for that.
Will be interesting to hear more about these and especially see reviews and such, performance, power draw and that (ALL the power again AMD or maybe less voltage? Ha ha. Well it does help overclocks and undervolting I suppose.) and more.
EDIT: Hmm well they could make a 3090 water-block variant too I suppose but we'll see.
And even if they don't enthusiasts and third party kits will do it. Will be interesting to see how big of a difference that could make then.
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#5666189 Posted on: 05/06/2019 10:48 AM
This year is breaking or making for radeon group. To be honest after all these delays, bad rumors and lack of information i think they are hiding something.
Well, i'll go RTX if they fuck up, im tired of them trying to catch up.
This year is breaking or making for radeon group. To be honest after all these delays, bad rumors and lack of information i think they are hiding something.
Well, i'll go RTX if they fuck up, im tired of them trying to catch up.
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#5666192 Posted on: 05/06/2019 11:11 AM
I don't believe the performance figures at all. Even AMD's own roadmap claims that "next-gen" is when we'll see efficiency improvements. I bet the TDP numbers are right, but I don't think the best Navi part will be any faster than a Vega 64.
I don't believe the performance figures at all. Even AMD's own roadmap claims that "next-gen" is when we'll see efficiency improvements. I bet the TDP numbers are right, but I don't think the best Navi part will be any faster than a Vega 64.
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#5666196 Posted on: 05/06/2019 11:24 AM
When some rumours started saying Navi is still GCN, I began lowering my expectations. AMD has already squeezed everything out of GCN, so if Navi indeed still belongs to that generation, it won't surprise anyone.
When some rumours started saying Navi is still GCN, I began lowering my expectations. AMD has already squeezed everything out of GCN, so if Navi indeed still belongs to that generation, it won't surprise anyone.
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#5666197 Posted on: 05/06/2019 11:32 AM
Why does AMD continue wasting time making cards that perform the same as the last gen? Just lower the prices of the current cards.
What a waste of money.
Why does AMD continue wasting time making cards that perform the same as the last gen? Just lower the prices of the current cards.
What a waste of money.
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#5666201 Posted on: 05/06/2019 11:38 AM
Why does AMD continue wasting time making cards that perform the same as the last gen? Just lower the prices of the current cards.
What a waste of money.
in the same argument fit the 2080 and everything bellow ^^
Why does AMD continue wasting time making cards that perform the same as the last gen? Just lower the prices of the current cards.
What a waste of money.
in the same argument fit the 2080 and everything bellow ^^
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#5666202 Posted on: 05/06/2019 11:38 AM
But I still like the pricing, if it is correct
But I still like the pricing, if it is correct
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#5666203 Posted on: 05/06/2019 11:41 AM
At least it has some new features. Pricing is stupid though.
in the same argument fit the 2080 and everything bellow ^^
At least it has some new features. Pricing is stupid though.
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#5666208 Posted on: 05/06/2019 12:00 PM
What is "bad bad news"? Just curious. Getting an RTX 2080 performance for $500? Or a Vega 56 performance for $200?
Those are bad bad news if they are true.
What is "bad bad news"? Just curious. Getting an RTX 2080 performance for $500? Or a Vega 56 performance for $200?
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Those are bad bad news if they are true.