PowerColor Radeon RX 5600 XT Red Dragon review
GALAX HOF Pro PCIe 4.0 NVMe review
How to: Firmware Update the AMD Radeon RX 5600 XT
MSI Radeon RX 5600 XT Gaming Z review
Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 5600 XT OC review
ASUS STRIX Radeon RX 5600 XT TOP review
Gigabyte Radeon RX 5600 XT Gaming OC review
Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280 liquid cooler review
Promo: Windows 10 Pro licenses for under 10 USD
Team Group MP33 NVMe 512 GB SSD Review
Reviews: A GeForce GTX 1660 Threesome - MSI Ventus and Gaming X and Palit StormX
NVIDIA today launches their mainstream GeForce GTX 1660 that sits at roughly 219 USD. Not to confuse with the Ti model, this iteration of the graphics cards has 1408 shader processors and is tied towards 6GB of GDDR5 memory. The GTX series is different from the RTX series in respect that they do not have Tensor or Raytracing cores. make no mistake though, this is Turing architecture based on the 12nm FF TU116 GPU.
The end result is a product that takes on the Radeon RX 580 and 590, and does that quite well. We have prepared three initial reviews for today, two from MSI and one Mini ITX version from Palit.
- Palit GeForce GTX 1660 StormX OC review
- MSI GeForce GTX 1660 VENTUS XS 6G OC review
- MSI GeForce GTX 1660 Gaming X review
Reviews: 9th Generation Intel Core 9600K, 9700K and 9900K processors - 10/19/2018 02:00 PM
Intel today unleashes the 9th iteration of their Core series processors. We start off with three processor reviews today, the Core i5 9600K, the Core i7 9700K and the flagship desktop proc, the Core i...
Reviews: MSI GeForce RTX 2070 Armor 8G - 10/19/2018 08:11 AM
In this review, we check out the new GeForce RTX 2070 ARMOR edition from MSI. This 499 USD product could be the more interesting product in the GeForce RTX product stack. Read the review right here. ...
Reviews: ASUS GeForce RTX 2070 Turbo 8GB - 10/16/2018 02:00 PM
NVIDIA today has lifted the embargo for the GeForce RTX 2070. We start off with two reviews today, both will be offered at 499 USD. We have the MSI GeForce RTX 2070 Armor 8G edition and the ASUS Turb...
Reviews: GeForce RTX 2080 and 2080 Ti Founder Edition - 09/19/2018 02:00 PM
Today is the day we can finally bring you the final performance reviews on NVIDIAs new GeForce RTX graphics cards. We start off today with the founders edition GeForce RTX 2080 and 2080 Ti. Both cards...
Reviews: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 Ti Articles - 11/02/2017 02:05 PM
In this review we'll check out the all founders' edition from Nvidia, the GeForce GTX 1070 Ti FE. The new 1070 Ti is aimed at and against the Radeon Rx Vega 56 from AMD and obviously sits in-between...
Undying
Senior Member
Posts: 12318
Joined: 2008-08-28
Senior Member
Posts: 12318
Joined: 2008-08-28
#5649826 Posted on: 03/14/2019 02:24 PM
590 performance as expected. Not the best but not the worst. Thing is that 580/590 are a two year old hardware.
590 performance as expected. Not the best but not the worst. Thing is that 580/590 are a two year old hardware.
Kaarme
Senior Member
Posts: 1758
Joined: 2013-03-10
Senior Member
Posts: 1758
Joined: 2013-03-10
#5649830 Posted on: 03/14/2019 02:31 PM
Aside from the couple of more Nvidia optimised dx11 titles where it showed remarkable performance against AMD, it's indeed as direct an answer to 590 as one could imagine. Over here in my parts these seem slightly less expensive than 590 (like 20 euros), though, which would naturally attract a whole lot of people.
Aside from the couple of more Nvidia optimised dx11 titles where it showed remarkable performance against AMD, it's indeed as direct an answer to 590 as one could imagine. Over here in my parts these seem slightly less expensive than 590 (like 20 euros), though, which would naturally attract a whole lot of people.
warlord
Senior Member
Posts: 2707
Joined: 2012-10-22
Senior Member
Posts: 2707
Joined: 2012-10-22
#5649832 Posted on: 03/14/2019 02:35 PM
Hm, not really strong but it is gaming equal or better than furyX/590/980TI.
It loses to 1060 in firestrike. If it doesn't cost less than 220€ then it's a fail.
Hm, not really strong but it is gaming equal or better than furyX/590/980TI.
It loses to 1060 in firestrike. If it doesn't cost less than 220€ then it's a fail.
HardwareCaps
Senior Member
Posts: 452
Joined: 2018-05-03
Senior Member
Posts: 452
Joined: 2018-05-03
#5649834 Posted on: 03/14/2019 02:38 PM
Hm, not really strong but it is gaming equal or better than furyX/590/980TI.
It loses to 1060 in firestrike. If it doesn't cost less than 220€ then it's a fail.
FS no longer is a good idication for gaming performance. time spy is a lot more modern and uses modern techniques.
Hm, not really strong but it is gaming equal or better than furyX/590/980TI.
It loses to 1060 in firestrike. If it doesn't cost less than 220€ then it's a fail.
FS no longer is a good idication for gaming performance. time spy is a lot more modern and uses modern techniques.
warlord
Senior Member
Posts: 2707
Joined: 2012-10-22
Senior Member
Posts: 2707
Joined: 2012-10-22
#5649837 Posted on: 03/14/2019 02:41 PM
Wrong. It means something bad is hidden.
RTX 2070 and up everything is correct.
RTX 2060 and below results are worse.
Something is way off with h/w and drivers.
FS no longer is a good idication for gaming performance. time spy is a lot more modern and uses modern techniques.
Wrong. It means something bad is hidden.
RTX 2070 and up everything is correct.
RTX 2060 and below results are worse.
Something is way off with h/w and drivers.
Undying
Senior Member
Posts: 12318
Joined: 2008-08-28
Senior Member
Posts: 12318
Joined: 2008-08-28
#5649838 Posted on: 03/14/2019 02:42 PM
Nvidia at midrange reminds me of AMD in enthusiast range. The same how Radeon VII is competing with two year old 1080ti this 1660 is competing with two year old 580/590.
As for pricing i wonder if the card will really cost 220$. Im sure it will be atleast 20-30$ on top of it for some decent cooling. Dont forget that 580 cost 180$ with some overclock can be fast as 590 and also having more vram.
Nvidia at midrange reminds me of AMD in enthusiast range. The same how Radeon VII is competing with two year old 1080ti this 1660 is competing with two year old 580/590.
As for pricing i wonder if the card will really cost 220$. Im sure it will be atleast 20-30$ on top of it for some decent cooling. Dont forget that 580 cost 180$ with some overclock can be fast as 590 and also having more vram.
HardwareCaps
Senior Member
Posts: 452
Joined: 2018-05-03
Senior Member
Posts: 452
Joined: 2018-05-03
#5649839 Posted on: 03/14/2019 02:44 PM
Wrong. It means something bad is hidden.
RTX 2070 and up everything is correct.
RTX 2060 and below results are worse.
Something is way off with h/w and drivers.
The fact that some look alright doesn't make the test good. look at TS, where the stack is exactly the avg of all gaming tests.
Wrong. It means something bad is hidden.
RTX 2070 and up everything is correct.
RTX 2060 and below results are worse.
Something is way off with h/w and drivers.
The fact that some look alright doesn't make the test good. look at TS, where the stack is exactly the avg of all gaming tests.
HardwareCaps
Senior Member
Posts: 452
Joined: 2018-05-03
Senior Member
Posts: 452
Joined: 2018-05-03
#5649841 Posted on: 03/14/2019 02:45 PM
Wrong. It means something bad is hidden.
RTX 2070 and up everything is correct.
RTX 2060 and below results are worse.
Something is way off with h/w and drivers.
same for Superposition. the only test that shows inconsistencies is FS
and it makes sense, FS is pretty old at this point(over 6 years old)
rendering techniques tend to change, just like how now INT operations have become a lot more common in modern games.
Wrong. It means something bad is hidden.
RTX 2070 and up everything is correct.
RTX 2060 and below results are worse.
Something is way off with h/w and drivers.
same for Superposition. the only test that shows inconsistencies is FS
and it makes sense, FS is pretty old at this point(over 6 years old)
rendering techniques tend to change, just like how now INT operations have become a lot more common in modern games.
warlord
Senior Member
Posts: 2707
Joined: 2012-10-22
Senior Member
Posts: 2707
Joined: 2012-10-22
#5649845 Posted on: 03/14/2019 02:51 PM
In my country cheapest rtx 2060 is 335€ and cheapest gtx 1660ti is 265€. It's 70€ difference. I wish that 1660 non ti would cost 195€, meaning less than 200€, but it ain't gonna happen, eh.
In my country cheapest rtx 2060 is 335€ and cheapest gtx 1660ti is 265€. It's 70€ difference. I wish that 1660 non ti would cost 195€, meaning less than 200€, but it ain't gonna happen, eh.
alanm
Senior Member
Posts: 9039
Joined: 2004-05-10
Senior Member
Posts: 9039
Joined: 2004-05-10
#5649889 Posted on: 03/14/2019 04:08 PM
The 1660ti is targeting the rx590 in sales as it was released at the same MSRP. AMD began to lower the 590s price just before the 1660ti release. The 1660 is targeting the rx580 at similar MSRP price and again AMD reacted by lowering the 580s price. The Nvidia are cards are faster and more efficient than the AMD counterparts they were originally intended to compete with. All this means is that AMD is biting the bullet to stay relevant vs their Nvidia counterparts. For customers this is a win. For AMD, I doubt they are happy having to settle with much reduced margins for their products. Of course, I am sure they are also trying to reduce stocks to make way for Navi (if expected in July?). So the 1660/1660ti's day in the sun may be brief, only a few months before they are eclipsed by Navi. Which then I suspect the same scenario will be reversed price-wise between the Nvidia and Navi products.
The 1660ti is targeting the rx590 in sales as it was released at the same MSRP. AMD began to lower the 590s price just before the 1660ti release. The 1660 is targeting the rx580 at similar MSRP price and again AMD reacted by lowering the 580s price. The Nvidia are cards are faster and more efficient than the AMD counterparts they were originally intended to compete with. All this means is that AMD is biting the bullet to stay relevant vs their Nvidia counterparts. For customers this is a win. For AMD, I doubt they are happy having to settle with much reduced margins for their products. Of course, I am sure they are also trying to reduce stocks to make way for Navi (if expected in July?). So the 1660/1660ti's day in the sun may be brief, only a few months before they are eclipsed by Navi. Which then I suspect the same scenario will be reversed price-wise between the Nvidia and Navi products.
Fox2232
Senior Member
Posts: 9874
Joined: 2012-07-20
Senior Member
Posts: 9874
Joined: 2012-07-20
#5649892 Posted on: 03/14/2019 04:21 PM
It is not bad card if one needs low power consumption for small case with weaker PSU. And targeted screen is 1080p.
But if heat/space is not and issue (very few people go for small builds), then RX-580 is better choice. On other hand I would not advise anyone to buy RX-580 today as it is close to being replaced. (Unless other option is to have no GPU... which is not an option.)
Therefore I would not tell anyone to buy GTX 1660 either.
Sad to say: "Wait for Navi." because it has been damn long wait already.
It is not bad card if one needs low power consumption for small case with weaker PSU. And targeted screen is 1080p.
But if heat/space is not and issue (very few people go for small builds), then RX-580 is better choice. On other hand I would not advise anyone to buy RX-580 today as it is close to being replaced. (Unless other option is to have no GPU... which is not an option.)
Therefore I would not tell anyone to buy GTX 1660 either.
Sad to say: "Wait for Navi." because it has been damn long wait already.
HardwareCaps
Senior Member
Posts: 452
Joined: 2018-05-03
Senior Member
Posts: 452
Joined: 2018-05-03
#5649893 Posted on: 03/14/2019 04:24 PM
Sounds about right. by July Nvidia will already sell thousands of GTX turing and can start offering bundles & discounts if Navi shows up to be really competitive. I think 7nm Turing is coming as early as next year since RTX is not taking off.
The 1660ti is targeting the rx590 in sales as it was released at the same MSRP. AMD began to lower the 590s price just before the 1660ti release. The 1660 is targeting the rx580 at similar MSRP price and again AMD reacted by lowering the 580s price. The Nvidia are cards are faster and more efficient than the AMD counterparts they were originally intended to compete with. All this means is that AMD is biting the bullet to stay relevant vs their Nvidia counterparts. For customers this is a win. For AMD, I doubt they are happy having to settle with much reduced margins for their products. Of course, I am sure they are also trying to reduce stocks to make way for Navi (if expected in July?). So the 1660/1660ti's day in the sun may be brief, only a few months before they are eclipsed by Navi. Which then I suspect the same scenario will be reversed price-wise between the Nvidia and Navi products.
Sounds about right. by July Nvidia will already sell thousands of GTX turing and can start offering bundles & discounts if Navi shows up to be really competitive. I think 7nm Turing is coming as early as next year since RTX is not taking off.
Denial
Senior Member
Posts: 12508
Joined: 2004-05-16
Senior Member
Posts: 12508
Joined: 2004-05-16
#5649894 Posted on: 03/14/2019 04:26 PM
I think 7nm Turing was always coming as early as next year which is why Nvidia released the Ti model with the rest of the series instead of waiting the typical length of time for Ti.
Sounds about right. by July Nvidia will already sell thousands of GTX turing and can start offering bundles & discounts if Navi shows up to be really competitive. I think 7nm Turing is coming as early as next year since RTX is not taking off.
I think 7nm Turing was always coming as early as next year which is why Nvidia released the Ti model with the rest of the series instead of waiting the typical length of time for Ti.
HardwareCaps
Senior Member
Posts: 452
Joined: 2018-05-03
Senior Member
Posts: 452
Joined: 2018-05-03
#5649898 Posted on: 03/14/2019 04:42 PM
Maybe we will never know, but I think the hate that RTX got coupled with the low RTX sales will definitely accelerate the timeline for Nvidia.
Investors are not remotely pleased about the results lately.
I think 7nm Turing was always coming as early as next year which is why Nvidia released the Ti model with the rest of the series instead of waiting the typical length of time for Ti.
Maybe we will never know, but I think the hate that RTX got coupled with the low RTX sales will definitely accelerate the timeline for Nvidia.
Investors are not remotely pleased about the results lately.
Click here to post a comment for this news story on the message forum.
Senior Member
Posts: 452
Joined: 2018-05-03
Thanks! as I suspected. pretty much an RX 590 performance for 220$ at 110W.
not a massive leap but it will sell well because it's facing a 3 years old competition at this point.