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#5656903 Posted on: 04/04/2019 11:46 AM
Since my OS drive ( ssd ) died last saturday I would advice You against that idea . In all honesty the ssd was from 2013, but it died without warning. And I still have HDD from 95 - 98 that work without a problem . So for me and my data I will always have a hdd in my PC. Good thing IT was only the OS and I did not lost any data
Since my OS drive ( ssd ) died last saturday I would advice You against that idea . In all honesty the ssd was from 2013, but it died without warning. And I still have HDD from 95 - 98 that work without a problem . So for me and my data I will always have a hdd in my PC. Good thing IT was only the OS and I did not lost any data
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#5656908 Posted on: 04/04/2019 11:51 AM
Well, i quess i could go with PCIe M.2 card, and have 2 8TB HDD mirrored for backup? ^^
Well, i quess i could go with PCIe M.2 card, and have 2 8TB HDD mirrored for backup? ^^
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#5656919 Posted on: 04/04/2019 12:14 PM
I´d say, that has some great value. More than enough of speed and 250GB is enough for OS and some software. I need to remember this product when building new pc for someone.
Im tempted to ditch my old HDD´s for a PCI-e card with 4 or more M.2 slots. I don´t need much of storage, but WD should bring higher version, like 1GB or 2GB.
But i really hate the colour of the PCB...
Most people tuck it away under the mobo M2 heatsink?
I´d say, that has some great value. More than enough of speed and 250GB is enough for OS and some software. I need to remember this product when building new pc for someone.
Im tempted to ditch my old HDD´s for a PCI-e card with 4 or more M.2 slots. I don´t need much of storage, but WD should bring higher version, like 1GB or 2GB.
But i really hate the colour of the PCB...
Most people tuck it away under the mobo M2 heatsink?
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#5656920 Posted on: 04/04/2019 12:16 PM
That's just lucky, the number of times an HDD was completely dead from one moment to the other for me easily outnumbers the SSDs that died on me (which is zero).
Regardless of any kind of storage, ... backup?
Since my OS drive ( ssd ) died last saturday I would advice You against that idea . In all honesty the ssd was from 2013, but it died without warning. And I still have HDD from 95 - 98 that work without a problem . So for me and my data I will always have a hdd in my PC. Good thing IT was only the OS and I did not lost any data
That's just lucky, the number of times an HDD was completely dead from one moment to the other for me easily outnumbers the SSDs that died on me (which is zero).
Regardless of any kind of storage, ... backup?
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#5656929 Posted on: 04/04/2019 12:48 PM
True that Sir, right now I am building a NAS and will set up an array just for backup of PC's in the house . Still can't understand what happened . I closed the PC at 12 ...went shopping and at about 19:00 ... no ssd was found
... bad luck for me. And I never had a HDD fail since I start building computers in 94. Or maybe one 4 GB drive
True that Sir, right now I am building a NAS and will set up an array just for backup of PC's in the house . Still can't understand what happened . I closed the PC at 12 ...went shopping and at about 19:00 ... no ssd was found
... bad luck for me. And I never had a HDD fail since I start building computers in 94. Or maybe one 4 GB drive
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#5656931 Posted on: 04/04/2019 01:11 PM
I know, but not every mobo has is, and if your unlucky that the cheapest case has a glass window?
Most people tuck it away under the mobo M2 heatsink?
I know, but not every mobo has is, and if your unlucky that the cheapest case has a glass window?
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#5656934 Posted on: 04/04/2019 01:19 PM
I'll advance on that with a story that happened to me, I work with two NAS units these days. The client/work/game PCs are all SSD based. They draw volume data from the NAS.
My NAS initially had RAID1 mirror with two 4 TB HDDs. One HDD died, guess what .. the second one would not recover/identify as valid anymore either while after a format it worked fine, I just could not access the array anymore. Here I moved away from QNAP.
I then moved to RAID5 in a three HDD setup + 1 hot spare. At one point one HDD failed and you feel it coming already, the array absolutely refused to rebuild with the hot-spare. Days later it turned out two HDDs failed almost simultaneously. I was, however, able to access and copy the data.
Right now I work with 1 NAS in RAID 5 (ASUSTOR) and then a secondary NAS that backs up the data on the primary NAS (just in case). The latter one spins up once a week for a full backup and then shuts down again. That's my redundant failsafe these days as hey, a NAS can die too. Worst case scenario I miss a few days of data.
I'll advance on that with a story that happened to me, I work with two NAS units these days. The client/work/game PCs are all SSD based. They draw volume data from the NAS.
My NAS initially had RAID1 mirror with two 4 TB HDDs. One HDD died, guess what .. the second one would not recover/identify as valid anymore either while after a format it worked fine, I just could not access the array anymore. Here I moved away from QNAP.
I then moved to RAID5 in a three HDD setup + 1 hot spare. At one point one HDD failed and you feel it coming already, the array absolutely refused to rebuild with the hot-spare. Days later it turned out two HDDs failed almost simultaneously. I was, however, able to access and copy the data.
Right now I work with 1 NAS in RAID 5 (ASUSTOR) and then a secondary NAS that backs up the data on the primary NAS (just in case). The latter one spins up once a week for a full backup and then shuts down again. That's my redundant failsafe these days as hey, a NAS can die too. Worst case scenario I miss a few days of data.
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#5656936 Posted on: 04/04/2019 01:20 PM
Aftermarket heatsink are a few bucks on ali-express, come on - including free shipping
I know, but not every mobo has is, and if your unlucky that the cheapest case has a glass window?
Aftermarket heatsink are a few bucks on ali-express, come on - including free shipping
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#5656967 Posted on: 04/04/2019 03:07 PM
I´d say, that has some great value. More than enough of speed and 250GB is enough for OS and some software. I need to remember this product when building new pc for someone.
Im tempted to ditch my old HDD´s for a PCI-e card with 4 or more M.2 slots. I don´t need much of storage, but WD should bring higher version, like 1GB or 2GB.
But i really hate the colour of the PCB...
Pay close attention to those PCIe cards, because many of them provide an assortment of keys (typically, one might be B while the other is M). You don't want to have a bunch of good NVMe drives when maybe only one of them is actually operating at full speed.
I've considered doing a similar idea (ditch my HDDs for a PCIe SSD) but in hindsight I realized that wasn't worth the money. My NAS doesn't need such crazy speeds. Since it's remote-access data, you lose the latency benefits of NVMe drives and your network will be a bandwidth bottleneck. If you end up RAID'ing your SSDs, you're doing even more damage to your latency. So at that point if you want the best value for a SSD-equipped NAS, SATA makes the most sense.
Right now I work with 1 NAS in RAID 5 (ASUSTOR) and then a secondary NAS that backs up the data on the primary NAS (just in case). The latter one spins up once a week for a full backup and then shuts down again. That's my redundant failsafe these days as hey, a NAS can die too. Worst case scenario I miss a few days of data.
Wouldn't a USB drive plugged into your main NAS be a faster, more convenient, and more cost-effective solution? Or is your secondary NAS meant to be a redundant backup, so you have a fully-functional replacement in the event your main NAS fails?
I´d say, that has some great value. More than enough of speed and 250GB is enough for OS and some software. I need to remember this product when building new pc for someone.
Im tempted to ditch my old HDD´s for a PCI-e card with 4 or more M.2 slots. I don´t need much of storage, but WD should bring higher version, like 1GB or 2GB.
But i really hate the colour of the PCB...
Pay close attention to those PCIe cards, because many of them provide an assortment of keys (typically, one might be B while the other is M). You don't want to have a bunch of good NVMe drives when maybe only one of them is actually operating at full speed.
I've considered doing a similar idea (ditch my HDDs for a PCIe SSD) but in hindsight I realized that wasn't worth the money. My NAS doesn't need such crazy speeds. Since it's remote-access data, you lose the latency benefits of NVMe drives and your network will be a bandwidth bottleneck. If you end up RAID'ing your SSDs, you're doing even more damage to your latency. So at that point if you want the best value for a SSD-equipped NAS, SATA makes the most sense.
Right now I work with 1 NAS in RAID 5 (ASUSTOR) and then a secondary NAS that backs up the data on the primary NAS (just in case). The latter one spins up once a week for a full backup and then shuts down again. That's my redundant failsafe these days as hey, a NAS can die too. Worst case scenario I miss a few days of data.
Wouldn't a USB drive plugged into your main NAS be a faster, more convenient, and more cost-effective solution? Or is your secondary NAS meant to be a redundant backup, so you have a fully-functional replacement in the event your main NAS fails?
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#5656969 Posted on: 04/04/2019 03:11 PM
Don't wanna do 12TB USB HDDs just yet.
But yes, If device A fails catastrophically, move on to device B in merely seconds.
Wouldn't a USB drive plugged into your main NAS be a faster, more convenient
Don't wanna do 12TB USB HDDs just yet.
But yes, If device A fails catastrophically, move on to device B in merely seconds.
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#5657077 Posted on: 04/04/2019 08:05 PM
Seems to be a great drive for the price! There is one here in the US that always seems to be on sale, though:
https://www.microcenter.com/product/600420/512gb-3d-nand-m2-2280-pcie-nvme-30-x4-internal-solid-state-drive
If it ever goes off sale, I'll probably switch over to recommending the WD Blue SN500.
Seems to be a great drive for the price! There is one here in the US that always seems to be on sale, though:
https://www.microcenter.com/product/600420/512gb-3d-nand-m2-2280-pcie-nvme-30-x4-internal-solid-state-drive
If it ever goes off sale, I'll probably switch over to recommending the WD Blue SN500.
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#5657228 Posted on: 04/05/2019 06:01 AM
I don't use NAS, but I have two HDDs for backup which I do 1-2 a month. Just copy the whole drive to them.
There is no replacement for backup. And in my experience HDD died more than SSD, but I've used far more HDDs than SSDs ('94 onwards).
And I've used RAID 0 from the good old days of VIA KT133A up to 2012 when I bought SSD and was blown away by it's speed
I still use my 7 year old Intel 335 180GB which is at full drive health and full estimated life expectancy as a system disk.
Yes it's slow compared to todays SSD, but it's good enough (read cca350mb/s;write cca 150mb/s).
I will buy nvme when I upgrade this Ivy to zen2 this year
I don't use NAS, but I have two HDDs for backup which I do 1-2 a month. Just copy the whole drive to them.
There is no replacement for backup. And in my experience HDD died more than SSD, but I've used far more HDDs than SSDs ('94 onwards).
And I've used RAID 0 from the good old days of VIA KT133A up to 2012 when I bought SSD and was blown away by it's speed
I still use my 7 year old Intel 335 180GB which is at full drive health and full estimated life expectancy as a system disk.
Yes it's slow compared to todays SSD, but it's good enough (read cca350mb/s;write cca 150mb/s).
I will buy nvme when I upgrade this Ivy to zen2 this year
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#5657779 Posted on: 04/07/2019 01:59 PM
A highly valuable product for its price, perfect for OS and general use. Thank you for a nice review @Hilbert Hagedoorn
A highly valuable product for its price, perfect for OS and general use. Thank you for a nice review @Hilbert Hagedoorn
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#5660081 Posted on: 04/14/2019 01:41 PM
A week or so Western Digital announced their new WD Blue SN500 series NVMe SSDs. A value NVMe proposition that is capable of rattling some cages. We had the opportunity to test the 250GB model thoroug...
Review: WD Blue SN500 NVME SSD (250GB)
can you share more about the temperatures ? I want to put a NVME M or B+M into a USB enclosure and I must be careful with temperatures. Please provide details like here
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/corsair-mp300-m2-nvme-480gb-ssd-review,7.html
Is the Corsair MP300 really cooler than the newest SN500?
Do you have recommendation for a 250gb drive to put into a USB enclosure ?
A week or so Western Digital announced their new WD Blue SN500 series NVMe SSDs. A value NVMe proposition that is capable of rattling some cages. We had the opportunity to test the 250GB model thoroug...
Review: WD Blue SN500 NVME SSD (250GB)
can you share more about the temperatures ? I want to put a NVME M or B+M into a USB enclosure and I must be careful with temperatures. Please provide details like here
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/corsair-mp300-m2-nvme-480gb-ssd-review,7.html
Is the Corsair MP300 really cooler than the newest SN500?
Do you have recommendation for a 250gb drive to put into a USB enclosure ?
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I´d say, that has some great value. More than enough of speed and 250GB is enough for OS and some software. I need to remember this product when building new pc for someone.
Im tempted to ditch my old HDD´s for a PCI-e card with 4 or more M.2 slots. I don´t need much of storage, but WD should bring higher version, like 1GB or 2GB.
But i really hate the colour of the PCB...