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Review: Toshiba RC500 500GB NVMe M.2 SSD - Value at 10 Cents per GB
We review probably the last Toshiba SSD ever, don't worry, merely a name change is inbound (Kioxia). None the less, meet the Toshiba RC500 fabbed under the OCZ label. A value proposition at NVMe PCIe 3.0 x4 performance in that 2 GB/sec range. The prices? How does this sound: 500GB for 59 EUR / 49 USD. Yeah, these are BiCS 96-layer alright.
Read the review here.
Review: MSI Creator TRX40 motherboard - 11/28/2019 10:42 AM
It is time to review the next TREX in line, the MSI Creator TRX40. This Threadripper 3000 motherboard is ready for anything from 24 to 64 cores really. It has a beefy 16-phase VRM, you may mount up-to...
Review: ASUS ROG Zenith II Extreme (Threadripper 3000) motherboard - 11/27/2019 11:41 AM
ASUS jumps on the TRX40 as well, meet the all-new ROG Zenith II Extreme all ready to tame that new mega-core Threadripper 3000 processor. In this review, we cock the gun that is the ROG Zenith II Extr...
Review: Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Xtreme - 11/26/2019 11:24 AM
With all that mega-core galore on the Threadripper 3000 processor releases, a new baby chipset has been born, T-Rex, aka TRX40. In this review we check out the loaded TRX40 Aorus Xtreme from Gigabyte....
Review: Core i9 10980XE processor (Intel 18-core galore) - 11/25/2019 10:01 AM
In this article, we'll review the all-new 18-core Core i9 10980XE from Intel that runs to 4.8 GHz. Despite many announcements, this is the most versatile (in cores) HEDT processor for the consumer ma...
Review: MSI GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER GAMING X - 11/22/2019 07:30 PM
MSI released their GTX 1650 SUPER GAMING X, a product with a more than capable cooler as well being factory tweaked. The SUPER edition card comes with 12 Gbps GDDR6 graphics memory, however, has only ...
fry178
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#5736981 Posted on: 12/02/2019 08:01 PM
again: im not talking about boot time or normal use of desktop, nor did i say an nvme at the same ~500MB/s (what most sata drives can do)
is faster.
but i can reproduce the same delay (+30s) every time i use a drive that is slower than 1000 MB/s read.
even on a slow nvme (pcie) i had the same problem.
and im playing with the same group of ppl (all run the game on a ssd) in local squad, not pvp.
using UHD textures, most settings maxed except AA/bloom/DoF.
i first thought it came from cloning the data from the 960 evo (pcie) to the new drive (860 evo nvme), but fresh install didnt fix it, benching the drive showed expected numbers.
again: im not talking about boot time or normal use of desktop, nor did i say an nvme at the same ~500MB/s (what most sata drives can do)
is faster.
but i can reproduce the same delay (+30s) every time i use a drive that is slower than 1000 MB/s read.
even on a slow nvme (pcie) i had the same problem.
and im playing with the same group of ppl (all run the game on a ssd) in local squad, not pvp.
using UHD textures, most settings maxed except AA/bloom/DoF.
i first thought it came from cloning the data from the 960 evo (pcie) to the new drive (860 evo nvme), but fresh install didnt fix it, benching the drive showed expected numbers.
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#5737081 Posted on: 12/03/2019 02:45 AM
again: im not talking about boot time or normal use of desktop, nor did i say an nvme at the same ~500MB/s (what most sata drives can do)
is faster.
but i can reproduce the same delay (+30s) every time i use a drive that is slower than 1000 MB/s read.
even on a slow nvme (pcie) i had the same problem.
and im playing with the same group of ppl (all run the game on a ssd) in local squad, not pvp.
using UHD textures, most settings maxed except AA/bloom/DoF.
i first thought it came from cloning the data from the 960 evo (pcie) to the new drive (860 evo nvme), but fresh install didnt fix it, benching the drive showed expected numbers.
I have yet to see an NVMe drive at ~500MB/s.... Those are M.2 SATA drives. Every NVMe drive I've seen has had read/write speeds above 1000MB/s. NVMe makes use of PCIe.....
The 960 EVO is an NVMe drive.... The 860 EVO is an M.2 SATA drive....
For me, the difference in boot time, application loading time, etc....is completely non-perceivable. The same goes for loading scenes in games. You're talking about playing games with other people, online.... Something that can be directly impacted by a user's connection. This is where I'm having an issue. You're claiming that a local harddrive is directly affecting, and is the only thing directly affecting, how fast a game being played over the internet loads. There could easily be 1000 different things causing the claimed time difference. Going from 1000MB/s to say, ~550MB/s (barring corrupt drivers, a faulty drive or a faulty controller) isn't going to produce a 30sec delay...
again: im not talking about boot time or normal use of desktop, nor did i say an nvme at the same ~500MB/s (what most sata drives can do)
is faster.
but i can reproduce the same delay (+30s) every time i use a drive that is slower than 1000 MB/s read.
even on a slow nvme (pcie) i had the same problem.
and im playing with the same group of ppl (all run the game on a ssd) in local squad, not pvp.
using UHD textures, most settings maxed except AA/bloom/DoF.
i first thought it came from cloning the data from the 960 evo (pcie) to the new drive (860 evo nvme), but fresh install didnt fix it, benching the drive showed expected numbers.
I have yet to see an NVMe drive at ~500MB/s.... Those are M.2 SATA drives. Every NVMe drive I've seen has had read/write speeds above 1000MB/s. NVMe makes use of PCIe.....
The 960 EVO is an NVMe drive.... The 860 EVO is an M.2 SATA drive....
For me, the difference in boot time, application loading time, etc....is completely non-perceivable. The same goes for loading scenes in games. You're talking about playing games with other people, online.... Something that can be directly impacted by a user's connection. This is where I'm having an issue. You're claiming that a local harddrive is directly affecting, and is the only thing directly affecting, how fast a game being played over the internet loads. There could easily be 1000 different things causing the claimed time difference. Going from 1000MB/s to say, ~550MB/s (barring corrupt drivers, a faulty drive or a faulty controller) isn't going to produce a 30sec delay...
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#5737114 Posted on: 12/03/2019 06:01 AM
yeah, should have said m2, and i meant below 500MB (vs the +1000MB on the nvme)
there are some cheaper ones that claim more speed, but drop down after a few seconds,
and i got better speeds on my 128GB vector 180, so i returned them.
well, nothing else changed, swapping the drive i get the delay, even after i clean installed the game.
drivers/software nothing changed, and even if they would cause this, why only with the slower drives, doesnt make sense.
if a setup/driver is broken, its broken, and doesnt magically change state depending on the drive the game is on.
drivers are from amd, as im using a 570 that doesnt have 3rd party chips for sata/nvme, only the samsung had the 3.1/3.2 installed.
all drives get the numbers i've seen in tests/reviews, and with multiple nvms, swapping slots i could eliminate that as well.
not excluding the game isnt at least partially to blame, as it was released more than 4y and still runs worse than the closed alpha i was part of.
yeah, should have said m2, and i meant below 500MB (vs the +1000MB on the nvme)
there are some cheaper ones that claim more speed, but drop down after a few seconds,
and i got better speeds on my 128GB vector 180, so i returned them.
well, nothing else changed, swapping the drive i get the delay, even after i clean installed the game.
drivers/software nothing changed, and even if they would cause this, why only with the slower drives, doesnt make sense.
if a setup/driver is broken, its broken, and doesnt magically change state depending on the drive the game is on.
drivers are from amd, as im using a 570 that doesnt have 3rd party chips for sata/nvme, only the samsung had the 3.1/3.2 installed.
all drives get the numbers i've seen in tests/reviews, and with multiple nvms, swapping slots i could eliminate that as well.
not excluding the game isnt at least partially to blame, as it was released more than 4y and still runs worse than the closed alpha i was part of.
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#5737462 Posted on: 12/04/2019 03:58 AM
are SSD gona be upgrade any time soon? like sata 4 or 5??, still not fan of nvme drives, the extra speeds is noticable in anything other then benching most part imo.
would like SSD drives to break there 600mb/s shackles, Not that I would see much difference there either Boot time wise of Window I dont see difference from from sata 2 and sata 3
are SSD gona be upgrade any time soon? like sata 4 or 5??, still not fan of nvme drives, the extra speeds is noticable in anything other then benching most part imo.
would like SSD drives to break there 600mb/s shackles, Not that I would see much difference there either Boot time wise of Window I dont see difference from from sata 2 and sata 3
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I saw no precivable difference from intel 330 to samsung 850 evo that their difference is quite big so "my conclusion" was that the average seek time is where the snappiness comes from.