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#5718080 Posted on: 10/08/2019 12:12 PM
the 970 evo plus that I sadly don't have keeps ruling it seems crazy that absolutely nobody talks about it (I have a 970 pro 1Tb that said)
the 970 evo plus that I sadly don't have keeps ruling it seems crazy that absolutely nobody talks about it (I have a 970 pro 1Tb that said)
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#5718203 Posted on: 10/08/2019 04:24 PM
The endurance seems a bit inflated for TLC NAND, especially coupled with the 3 years warranty? 800TBW for the the 500GB model? The 970 Evo Plus only offers 300TBW, and the MLC 970 Pro just 600TBW, I have no idea where T-FORCE is coming with these figures from.
I have a 500MB one, if you're curious about something specific just ask. It's nothing exceptional, just another NVMe SSD.
The endurance seems a bit inflated for TLC NAND, especially coupled with the 3 years warranty? 800TBW for the the 500GB model? The 970 Evo Plus only offers 300TBW, and the MLC 970 Pro just 600TBW, I have no idea where T-FORCE is coming with these figures from.
the 970 evo plus that I sadly don't have keeps ruling it seems crazy that absolutely nobody talks about it (I have a 970 pro 1Tb that said)
I have a 500MB one, if you're curious about something specific just ask. It's nothing exceptional, just another NVMe SSD.
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#5718319 Posted on: 10/08/2019 10:00 PM
"High-performance superconductivity – Thermally conductive adhesive offers average heat radiating, instantaneously thermal energy transfer and accelerates the radiating process."
That sure seems to be written by a marketeer. Mostly because it makes no sense. Average heat radiating is somehow "high-performance" ? All right then.
Apparently someone got superconductivity to work at room temperature (and higher) and then didn't tell anyone about it. That should be worth a Nobel Prize, at least.
"High-performance superconductivity – Thermally conductive adhesive offers average heat radiating, instantaneously thermal energy transfer and accelerates the radiating process."
That sure seems to be written by a marketeer. Mostly because it makes no sense. Average heat radiating is somehow "high-performance" ? All right then.
Apparently someone got superconductivity to work at room temperature (and higher) and then didn't tell anyone about it. That should be worth a Nobel Prize, at least.
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#5718338 Posted on: 10/08/2019 11:05 PM
Decent SSD.
But probably won't buy it... better stuff "just around the corner"
Decent SSD.
But probably won't buy it... better stuff "just around the corner"
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#5718696 Posted on: 10/09/2019 07:15 PM
The endurance seems a bit inflated for TLC NAND, especially coupled with the 3 years warranty? 800TBW for the the 500GB model? The 970 Evo Plus only offers 300TBW, and the MLC 970 Pro just 600TBW, I have no idea where T-FORCE is coming with these figures from.
I have a 500MB one, if you're curious about something specific just ask. It's nothing exceptional, just another NVMe SSD.
The 970 pro 1tb is a 5-Year Limited Warranty or 1,200 TBW Limited Warranty https://www.samsung.com/uk/memory-storage/970-pro-nvme-m2-ssd-/MZ-V7P1T0BW/
The endurance seems a bit inflated for TLC NAND, especially coupled with the 3 years warranty? 800TBW for the the 500GB model? The 970 Evo Plus only offers 300TBW, and the MLC 970 Pro just 600TBW, I have no idea where T-FORCE is coming with these figures from.
I have a 500MB one, if you're curious about something specific just ask. It's nothing exceptional, just another NVMe SSD.
The 970 pro 1tb is a 5-Year Limited Warranty or 1,200 TBW Limited Warranty https://www.samsung.com/uk/memory-storage/970-pro-nvme-m2-ssd-/MZ-V7P1T0BW/
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#5718741 Posted on: 10/09/2019 09:29 PM
I was obviously comparing the 500GB models. The idea is that the at the same-ish size of 500-512GB, the endurance for this TLC drive is above the MLC 970 Pro drive, which does not make any sense whatsoever and seems very inflated.
If you want to compare the 1GB drives, it still shows the TLC Team Group drive well ahead, at 1,665 TBW, while the 970 Pro is at "just" 1200TBW.
Doesn't make any sense. It's somewhat worrying that SSD manufacturers would just randomly inflate their endurance numbers.
The 970 pro 1tb is a 5-Year Limited Warranty or 1,200 TBW Limited Warranty https://www.samsung.com/uk/memory-storage/970-pro-nvme-m2-ssd-/MZ-V7P1T0BW/
I was obviously comparing the 500GB models. The idea is that the at the same-ish size of 500-512GB, the endurance for this TLC drive is above the MLC 970 Pro drive, which does not make any sense whatsoever and seems very inflated.
If you want to compare the 1GB drives, it still shows the TLC Team Group drive well ahead, at 1,665 TBW, while the 970 Pro is at "just" 1200TBW.
Doesn't make any sense. It's somewhat worrying that SSD manufacturers would just randomly inflate their endurance numbers.
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#5719577 Posted on: 10/11/2019 06:00 PM
I was obviously comparing the 500GB models. The idea is that the at the same-ish size of 500-512GB, the endurance for this TLC drive is above the MLC 970 Pro drive, which does not make any sense whatsoever and seems very inflated.
If you want to compare the 1GB drives, it still shows the TLC Team Group drive well ahead, at 1,665 TBW, while the 970 Pro is at "just" 1200TBW.
Doesn't make any sense. It's somewhat worrying that SSD manufacturers would just randomly inflate their endurance numbers.
It's been like for all the Phison E12 drives I've seen. I think it's marketing more than an actual endurance number that reflects reality.....unless there's some kind of magic firmware that these E12 drives have that can somehow get around the inherent lower durability of TLC NAND. They're probably banking on the fact that almost no one will use their drives enough to wear them out...let's face it, most of us don't even use 2% of our SSD's life before we upgrade to a bigger or faster SSD....and for the very small minority of consumers that do push their SSD to the limit everyday, then I think these companies are feeling ok about sucking it up & giving them an RMA if it doesn't live up to their quoted endurance figures - that would probably be only one person in a few thousand (how many thousands I don't know!).
I was obviously comparing the 500GB models. The idea is that the at the same-ish size of 500-512GB, the endurance for this TLC drive is above the MLC 970 Pro drive, which does not make any sense whatsoever and seems very inflated.
If you want to compare the 1GB drives, it still shows the TLC Team Group drive well ahead, at 1,665 TBW, while the 970 Pro is at "just" 1200TBW.
Doesn't make any sense. It's somewhat worrying that SSD manufacturers would just randomly inflate their endurance numbers.
It's been like for all the Phison E12 drives I've seen. I think it's marketing more than an actual endurance number that reflects reality.....unless there's some kind of magic firmware that these E12 drives have that can somehow get around the inherent lower durability of TLC NAND. They're probably banking on the fact that almost no one will use their drives enough to wear them out...let's face it, most of us don't even use 2% of our SSD's life before we upgrade to a bigger or faster SSD....and for the very small minority of consumers that do push their SSD to the limit everyday, then I think these companies are feeling ok about sucking it up & giving them an RMA if it doesn't live up to their quoted endurance figures - that would probably be only one person in a few thousand (how many thousands I don't know!).
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#5720461 Posted on: 10/14/2019 09:10 PM
How much cost Samsung 970 EVO or Pro, I can get Sabrent Rocket NVMe 1TB for £90-£100 and Samsung sadly cost in £170-£190 for EVO and for Pro that's different ballpark
I bought for friend Sabrent 512GB NVMe and temperatures are in 28°C idle and 48°C as max with cheap heatsink from Akasa
Hope this helps
Thanks, Jura
the 970 evo plus that I sadly don't have keeps ruling it seems crazy that absolutely nobody talks about it (I have a 970 pro 1Tb that said)
How much cost Samsung 970 EVO or Pro, I can get Sabrent Rocket NVMe 1TB for £90-£100 and Samsung sadly cost in £170-£190 for EVO and for Pro that's different ballpark
I bought for friend Sabrent 512GB NVMe and temperatures are in 28°C idle and 48°C as max with cheap heatsink from Akasa
Hope this helps
Thanks, Jura
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This is a Phison E12 drive judging by the version number of Firmware seen in one of the screenshots of a benchmark. So it looks like it's the same drive at the Corsair MP510 drive that guru3d reviewed here. Also same drive as Sabrent Rocket, and a few other names. I'm assuming the Phison E12 is paired with the same Toshiba NAND that all the other drives are. Nice to get a proper heatsink on it, so I wonder how it compares in price to the other Phison E12 drives (which should all be functionally the same as they seem to have the standard Phison firmware loaded).