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#5688282 Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:38 PM
That's ok.
There will always be a 9900K (or equivalent) group, just as a significant number of that same group will use the exact same reasoning to buy into the 2080Ti (or equivalent), and that's ok too. For the vast majority, things are a little different, and from today, the additional reasons for that difference are about to have an impact on new additions to the former.
On another note: what's up with the OC obsession?? Did you even read Hilbert's review and conclusions?? What's your overall single takeaway sentence?
9900k is still the faster CPU in Gaming. With Nvidia 3000 series that gap will be even bigger in 2k resolution. That's all what matters to me.
That's ok.
There will always be a 9900K (or equivalent) group, just as a significant number of that same group will use the exact same reasoning to buy into the 2080Ti (or equivalent), and that's ok too. For the vast majority, things are a little different, and from today, the additional reasons for that difference are about to have an impact on new additions to the former.
On another note: what's up with the OC obsession?? Did you even read Hilbert's review and conclusions?? What's your overall single takeaway sentence?
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#5688283 Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:38 PM
Not sure where you came up with that conclusion, temperatures were not compared here.
ryzen 3700x runs hotter than i9 9900k?
Not sure where you came up with that conclusion, temperatures were not compared here.
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#5688284 Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:38 PM
THIS is absurd. Many people buy these CPUs to tweak and overclock. Most reviews didn't even cover overclocking.
Okay, the new X570 layout wise look great, except for the stupid fans, but seriously AMD and them didn't have their BIOSs in order at launch ONCE AGAIN?! Do they ever learn? I saw quite a few reviews that said, oh the launch BIOS needs updating, it needs some more work. Sure, you can say its better than before, but come on. This does not help their case once you add everything else disappointing about the product.
Yes, that's all AMD or MB OEMs fault. I am pretty confident that most reviewers had very little time (1-2 days?) to make the work (we didn't even receive one kit from AMD, we are still waiting for AMD PR response -.-).
THIS is absurd. Many people buy these CPUs to tweak and overclock. Most reviews didn't even cover overclocking.
Okay, the new X570 layout wise look great, except for the stupid fans, but seriously AMD and them didn't have their BIOSs in order at launch ONCE AGAIN?! Do they ever learn? I saw quite a few reviews that said, oh the launch BIOS needs updating, it needs some more work. Sure, you can say its better than before, but come on. This does not help their case once you add everything else disappointing about the product.
Yes, that's all AMD or MB OEMs fault. I am pretty confident that most reviewers had very little time (1-2 days?) to make the work (we didn't even receive one kit from AMD, we are still waiting for AMD PR response -.-).
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#5688285 Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:40 PM
Yeah, I don't think Gamers Nexus got a 3700x or 3900x..... this launch and AMD's marketing has been very weird. A series of bad PR marketing videos on their end, and some people you'd expect not getting proper review samples.
Yes, that's all AMD or MB OEMs fault. I am pretty confident that most reviewers had very little time (1-2 days?) to make the work (we didn't even receive one kit from AMD, we are still waiting for AMD PR response -.-).
Yeah, I don't think Gamers Nexus got a 3700x or 3900x..... this launch and AMD's marketing has been very weird. A series of bad PR marketing videos on their end, and some people you'd expect not getting proper review samples.
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#5688288 Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:43 PM
That's what they said about first gen.
Also, you seem weirdly obsessive over how these CPUs overclock. Like as though that's the only thing that matters.
A new BIOS is not going to fix voltage requirements and heat. All core, a 3900x will struggle to reach 4.2ghz. The heat and voltage required is too high. Watch der8auer's video.
That's what they said about first gen.
Also, you seem weirdly obsessive over how these CPUs overclock. Like as though that's the only thing that matters.
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#5688290 Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:45 PM
I've been waiting for what feels like an eternity for the 3900X. The overclocking potential is worse than what I thought would be the worst case scenario. That's probably a deal breaker for me.
I should wait for the 4900X, but would motherboard manufacturers update X470 boards to properly support it?
I've been waiting for what feels like an eternity for the 3900X. The overclocking potential is worse than what I thought would be the worst case scenario. That's probably a deal breaker for me.
I should wait for the 4900X, but would motherboard manufacturers update X470 boards to properly support it?
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#5688291 Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:45 PM
It seems I wouldn't want to oc it. Better gaming perf in general w/o oc because higher single core frequencies.
Ryzen 3900x 4.2ghz RIP 1.45v. Just ask der8auer and Hardware Unboxed. Be careful overclocking this CPU, new owners.
It seems I wouldn't want to oc it. Better gaming perf in general w/o oc because higher single core frequencies.
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#5688293 Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:47 PM
Why would I? I did read Hilbert's review. That speaks for itself. If you need some other page as argument while power data are available here, you are doing something wrongly.
A new BIOS is not going to fix voltage requirements and heat. All core, a 3900x will struggle to reach 4.2ghz. The heat and voltage required is too high. Watch der8auer's video.
Why would I? I did read Hilbert's review. That speaks for itself. If you need some other page as argument while power data are available here, you are doing something wrongly.
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#5688297 Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:49 PM
High PBO + High LLC... bad idea.
In MT benchmarks, it does perform 50% better than 3700X in general.
In comparison to my 2700X it is 50~80% faster in productivity workloads.
Video you listed came with some 12~18IPC incresse, so even if 4.2GHz was all core boost, 12% above Zen+ would make it same as 4.7GHz Zen+. And 18% as 4.95GHz Zen+.
I think I am fine with those values. Or are we back in Bulldozer times of GHz race? How did you like that 4GHz comparison?
Ryzen 3k won in Cinebench, and lost in games @ 4ghz:
So if you "play" Cinebnech 24/7, the Ryzen 3k is the thing
High PBO + High LLC... bad idea.
In MT benchmarks, it does perform 50% better than 3700X in general.
In comparison to my 2700X it is 50~80% faster in productivity workloads.
Video you listed came with some 12~18IPC incresse, so even if 4.2GHz was all core boost, 12% above Zen+ would make it same as 4.7GHz Zen+. And 18% as 4.95GHz Zen+.
I think I am fine with those values. Or are we back in Bulldozer times of GHz race? How did you like that 4GHz comparison?
Ryzen 3k won in Cinebench, and lost in games @ 4ghz:
So if you "play" Cinebnech 24/7, the Ryzen 3k is the thing
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#5688298 Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:49 PM
Because looking at more results from other people is not a bad thing? And no offense to Hilbert, but der8auer knows his stuff.
Why would I? I did read Hilbert's review. That speaks for itself. If you need some other page as argument while power data are available here, you are doing something wrongly.
Because looking at more results from other people is not a bad thing? And no offense to Hilbert, but der8auer knows his stuff.
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#5688301 Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:52 PM
Mate your tremendous hard-on for Intel is showing real obviously. People in this thread are getting annoyed by it. I suggest toning down a little. If you don't like the product, don't buy it. it is that simple. BTW I had the proc at 1.55 Volts, didn't break down either. But hey, what do I know, right?
Because looking at more results from other people is not a bad thing? And no offense to Hilbert, but der8auer knows his stuff.
Mate your tremendous hard-on for Intel is showing real obviously. People in this thread are getting annoyed by it. I suggest toning down a little. If you don't like the product, don't buy it. it is that simple. BTW I had the proc at 1.55 Volts, didn't break down either. But hey, what do I know, right?
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#5688304 Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:55 PM
No, I'm pointing out the obvious downsides to their product and the bloated PR marketing. There's something wrong when Gamers Nexus gets nothing, because they don't sugar coat their reviews to either Intel or AMD, and a known AMD fan/promoter YouTuber called Joker Productions gets review samples of 3700x/3900x.
On a 3900x? Stable? And at what temps and all core frequency did you obtain?
Mate your tremendous hard-on for Intel is showing real obviously. People in this thread are getting annoyed by it. I suggest toning down a little. BTW I had the proc at 1.55 Volts, didn't break down either. But hey, what do I know, right?
No, I'm pointing out the obvious downsides to their product and the bloated PR marketing. There's something wrong when Gamers Nexus gets nothing, because they don't sugar coat their reviews to either Intel or AMD, and a known AMD fan/promoter YouTuber called Joker Productions gets review samples of 3700x/3900x.
On a 3900x? Stable? And at what temps and all core frequency did you obtain?
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#5688306 Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:58 PM
Ryzen 3k won in Cinebench, and lost in games @ 4ghz:
So if you "play" Cinebnech 24/7, the Ryzen 3k is the thing
I do not see 3700X which I can have for $321 (excluding tax) as losing to 9900K which I can have for $511 (excluding tax) in this scenario. Neither would be 3900X in similar scenario as it has much wider use outside of gaming.
Ryzen 3k won in Cinebench, and lost in games @ 4ghz:
So if you "play" Cinebnech 24/7, the Ryzen 3k is the thing
I do not see 3700X which I can have for $321 (excluding tax) as losing to 9900K which I can have for $511 (excluding tax) in this scenario. Neither would be 3900X in similar scenario as it has much wider use outside of gaming.
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#5688307 Posted on: 07/07/2019 04:59 PM
The process of tweaking is finding your max all-core clock with the lowest possible voltage. 4.5 GHz was not stable, 4.4 GHz did (difficult) but 1.55v was simply not needed and as such it's lowered until you find just the right balance between voltage and frequency in order to preserve heat and power consumption.
On a 3900x? Stable? And at what temps and all core frequency did you obtain?
The process of tweaking is finding your max all-core clock with the lowest possible voltage. 4.5 GHz was not stable, 4.4 GHz did (difficult) but 1.55v was simply not needed and as such it's lowered until you find just the right balance between voltage and frequency in order to preserve heat and power consumption.
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So after reading the review i think we can all agree that both the 3700x and 3900x are great CPUs with great value specially compared to Intel. The only "weak" points are the gaming performance, improved but still behind Intel, and the dreadful OC potential. The OC values are really disappointing for me because i was expecting much better and because frequency is very important for games.
The article hinted at a possible 3700, should we expect an even cheaper 8 core CPU from AMD Hilbert??? You can tell me, i won´t say anything to anyone...
Great review as always!