Review: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER (Reference/Founders edition)

#5693900 Posted on: 07/24/2019 12:38 PM

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I understand that you didn't do it with a malicious intent however it is difficult to give you pass on that and I ll tell you why.
In 2019 you reviewed a 2080 card and you gave it the "Guru3d recommended" badge. Someone out there might have trusted your opinion and went with it. Then a few months down the line he reads from the same person that if he bought a 2080 - within the timeframe you yourself advised him to - then it "sucks to be him". That immediately insults him and destroys any credibility he has towards you.
Anyway again it is not meant to be a jab against you, but I wanted to advise you of the way it could be perceived and the impact it could have.

p.s my card is an nvidia 610 just in case anyone starts to wonder different things...

The problem with this post is that you are accusing Hilbert of not looking into the future. When he gave out that recommendation post it was given at the time thinking it would last until 7nm nvidia.

I'm sure a lot of people who bought 2080, 2070 and especially 2060 now feel like chumps considering what nvidia has done with fire fighting navi.

The fact of the matter was the 2080 was the dumb card of the entire range when the 2000 series came out, if you want to go big, go big and spend big money on 2080ti for 3840x gaming.

With the 2070 Super the 2080 proved to be even a bigger waste of time one notch below that. and the 2080S just continues the trend, it adds not much for a huge amount of money still. This sat in no mans land.

So in summary people are chumps if they bought the 2080 card at that price. They are still chumps for buying the 2080S card now. It adds nothing.

It is no 4400ti and it is not a 970GTX

The bang per buck ratio is horrible.

#5693910 Posted on: 07/24/2019 01:34 PM

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It's a good thing you aren't writing reviews or asked for your opinion then.

#5693982 Posted on: 07/24/2019 05:18 PM

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So, nearly 50% more expensive than 2070S and 100% than 5700XT, yet what does it offer? No 1440p144, no 1440p120 either, while 2070S and 5700 XT are enough to play at 1440p60. All of them can't offer stable 2160p60 gameplay.

#5693984 Posted on: 07/24/2019 05:22 PM

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What can a $500 x70 buyer say... Got triggered?

#5693985 Posted on: 07/24/2019 05:23 PM

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Good thing we have rules to follow such as no trolling.

#5693996 Posted on: 07/24/2019 05:54 PM

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Super cards summary:
2060S looks like a mistake. Slower than 5700XT at same price.
2070S big winner - near 2080 performance at $500. (bit faster than 5700XT so reasonably costs a little more).
2080S less than expected diff vs 2080, not worth the premium over the 2070S.

#5694007 Posted on: 07/24/2019 06:22 PM

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Don't know i would 100% not recommend the 2080 Super if i was a reviewer. If you want the best and money is not a concern then buy the 2080Ti. If you "cheapen out" (nVidia style) then get the 2070 Super or try to find a 2080 on sale. We all know new cards will be released within the next 6 to 8 months anyway (maybe sooner if AMD surprises everyone with a more competitive than expected 5800XT before 2020). I don't see the point of this card personally. Where i live the cheapest non blower 2080 is 859$ while the cheapest non blower 2080 Super is 989$. That's a pretty big price difference. By the time the 2080 disappear we will be closer to a new lineup of cards. I would actually not recommend this card at all.

#5694020 Posted on: 07/24/2019 06:55 PM

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One thing you should remember buying into high end, which has not changed in any year is you aren't buying high end for value. Dollar to performance goes out the window in this market.

#5694030 Posted on: 07/24/2019 07:39 PM

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If I were you, I wouldn't waste my time reminding people again and again about purchasing high-end/flagship/luxury product, not just electronic, but in any consumables, from food to clothing to cars to...houses even! I gave up trying to explain myself long ago.

#5694035 Posted on: 07/24/2019 07:54 PM

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To you, it is not, but to the reviewer, it is.
I agree that the 5700xt is the best card out there in terms of price/performance when it comes to DX12 titles. But guess what, there are people still playing dx11 games, or simply prefer nvidia because of already having g-sync monitor. $100 is not that much money.

About the 2080s, well it is in high-end range. When you steps into high-end/flagship range, price/performance is no longer relevant. And it's not just electronics...

$100, $200, or even $500 is not that much of a deal for a hobby when you're making over $40/hr or 100k annually.

Why is it so hard not to bash others simply because they want to/are able to spend more than you do? Why is it so hard for the price/performance camp to just agree to disagree?

#5694074 Posted on: 07/24/2019 11:16 PM

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The high end is the 2080Ti. If money is no concern the 2080Ti is the place to go.

#5694076 Posted on: 07/24/2019 11:23 PM

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I would say that the 80ti is the flagship, a class above highend. That's for the avg consumer. The titan is for prosumers with need for massive amount of vram

#5694079 Posted on: 07/24/2019 11:34 PM

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BTW i'm not saying the 2080 Super is bad or anything. Just that replying in a somewhat hash way to someone for saying it should not be recommended is stretching it a lot imo.

I mean where i live considering the price it doesn't make much sense to buy one. They are close to a grand (950-1000$). I mean if i'm gonna spend that amount on a single gpu i might as well go for a Ti at this point (1400-1500$). It's like trying to save money by buying a 70 000$ car instead of the 100 000$ one you love. Doesn't make much sense to me. If i want to buy something high end but i'm on a "budget" a 2080 normal (around 850-900$ where i live) while they are still available or better imo a 2070 Super (680-700$) looks like a better investment considering RTX 2.0 is probably around the corner.

Anyway i just think vbetts reply was kind of harsh. I don't know the history between him and the guy he was replying to since i just seldomly read this board but i don't think saying that the 2080 Super is not an easy recommendation is totally stupid. It's definitely not an exciting product according to many reviewers and i tend to agree with this.

#5694340 Posted on: 07/25/2019 11:25 PM

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We all know that early adopters get screwed over 90% of the time, that's not down to a reviewers opinion or recommendation of a product, it's just the current competition between AMD and Nvidia that forces these newer models to be released. AMD has a big portion of blame here on the GPU side because they failed to produce an enthusiast or even high-end cards to compete with RTX.

So btw i believe RTX was a semi disaster for Nvidia, releasing RT tech maybe 2 years before it's fully utilized and having to find new ways to shift their products while people have eyes and can see the lack of RT progress. I fear by the time RT is fully implemented into most games the tech will have moved on. Which of course sucks for all 20XX owners. From what i've read around the net there's still only a hand full of RT enabled games and even then hardly used by some RTX owners because of issues or low frame rates.

If only we could see into the future of PC tech then purchasing the right equipment @ the right time would be easy. Unfortunately that's not possible so people are going to get butt hurt.

#5694492 Posted on: 07/26/2019 02:01 PM

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So something I noticed that is a bit odd to me:
It only has an 8-pin and 6-pin power connector. According to the power consumption graphs, this thing is up there with the Vega 56, 780Ti, and 390X, each of which need 2x 8-pins. The 2080SF reference likely was never intended to be overclocked, but still a bit odd to me. Of course, its wattage is actually low enough to get by on what it is provided with (75W from mobo + 150W from 8-pin + 75W from 6-pin = 300W, which is sufficient headroom) but different workloads draw different amounts of power. I'm sure if you were to overclock this thing, run something like FurMark, and then somehow manage to trigger the RT cores, you'd definitely exceed the power limits.

Of course, the power limits are just simply a guideline, but, this is a reference card. I think it'd have been wise for Nvidia to expand this GPU's tolerances, and not leave room for potential worst-case scenarios.