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Review: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER and 2070 SUPER
NVIDIA today launches the first two cards in their new Super series. We review the GeForce RTX 2060 Super and 2070 Super and check out if they are actually that, super that is, of course with an aim to bring you a super review. Mind you, they will be announcing a GeForce RTX 2080 Super as well, but that one will actually launch later this month.
Read our review right here.
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#5686468 Posted on: 07/02/2019 06:41 PM
Pretty good here, 2070 super on same level or higher then the 1080ti and at a cheaper price, Not bad at all.
Pretty good here, 2070 super on same level or higher then the 1080ti and at a cheaper price, Not bad at all.
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#5686469 Posted on: 07/02/2019 06:49 PM
What sales?
They are loosing sales to their ridiculous pricing scheme. And will continue to loose them (imho) until something mainstream like 2060 gets back to ~250$ range instead of trying to be the 400$ part. No one cares for ray tracing, especially on card like 2060 that can't even do it properly.
Touche.
PS. We as customers SHOULD NOT CARE about how much money nVidia (or anyone else for that matter) invested into the tech. That's their problem.
Well, I don't fully agree with that. Generally speaking, a company that invests a lot in a product is trying to make a legitimately good product. That doesn't necessarily mean the consumer should be paying extra for it (especially if we never asked for it) and that also doesn't mean the investment will yield the results they/we were hoping. But, the investment is very much worth our interest, because it shows a push for progress.
Take Intel for example: they hardly put any investment in the CPUs they've been putting out on the market for the past 5 years, and it shows. They are, however, dumping a lot of money into other products, and which are very much worth caring about.
What sales?
They are loosing sales to their ridiculous pricing scheme. And will continue to loose them (imho) until something mainstream like 2060 gets back to ~250$ range instead of trying to be the 400$ part. No one cares for ray tracing, especially on card like 2060 that can't even do it properly.
Touche.
PS. We as customers SHOULD NOT CARE about how much money nVidia (or anyone else for that matter) invested into the tech. That's their problem.
Well, I don't fully agree with that. Generally speaking, a company that invests a lot in a product is trying to make a legitimately good product. That doesn't necessarily mean the consumer should be paying extra for it (especially if we never asked for it) and that also doesn't mean the investment will yield the results they/we were hoping. But, the investment is very much worth our interest, because it shows a push for progress.
Take Intel for example: they hardly put any investment in the CPUs they've been putting out on the market for the past 5 years, and it shows. They are, however, dumping a lot of money into other products, and which are very much worth caring about.
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#5686470 Posted on: 07/02/2019 06:49 PM
These cards are fine example of why competition is good for this industry.
Faced with Navi Nvidia finally produced some good value cards.
Now let's see AMD answer and we customers will be the ones winning.
These cards are fine example of why competition is good for this industry.
Faced with Navi Nvidia finally produced some good value cards.
Now let's see AMD answer and we customers will be the ones winning.
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#5686471 Posted on: 07/02/2019 06:52 PM
People always say this, yet people who actually buy the cards almost never say this, why would anyone want progress to not...progress?
Either way it's not "less than 6 months"
RTX 2080 was released 9 and a half months ago, and by the time the RTX 2080 super is released (since it's not yet, releases on the 23rd according to the article) it'd be just over 10 months.
That makes zero sense.
Basically you're saying:
We as customers want it all, better performance, better technology, innovation, BUT! we don't want to pay for it!
As consumers we ALWAYS care about how much it takes to make a product because it determines what the price is, that IS for us to care for. And if we don't like the price, then we don't buy it, but if a company gives you something that is far beyond what other companies are giving you but costs more, it's your decision.
It's always the customers decision to decide if a company made the right call or not, and to buy or not.
What's next, are you going to go to Tesla and say "Hey this car that costs $60,000 to make, let alone R&D, yeah you're going to give it to me for $25,000, because i don't care about your costs".........right......
Companies have resource costs and R&D costs, and you can either deal with that fact, or live in some LaLa land.
Tesla is probably one of the worst examples one could think of. It took them about 15 years to make a reasonable profit on their latest cars... But up to this day they're in at a loss

Either way it's not "less than 6 months"
RTX 2080 was released 9 and a half months ago, and by the time the RTX 2080 super is released (since it's not yet, releases on the 23rd according to the article) it'd be just over 10 months.
That makes zero sense.
Basically you're saying:
We as customers want it all, better performance, better technology, innovation, BUT! we don't want to pay for it!
As consumers we ALWAYS care about how much it takes to make a product because it determines what the price is, that IS for us to care for. And if we don't like the price, then we don't buy it, but if a company gives you something that is far beyond what other companies are giving you but costs more, it's your decision.
It's always the customers decision to decide if a company made the right call or not, and to buy or not.
What's next, are you going to go to Tesla and say "Hey this car that costs $60,000 to make, let alone R&D, yeah you're going to give it to me for $25,000, because i don't care about your costs".........right......
Companies have resource costs and R&D costs, and you can either deal with that fact, or live in some LaLa land.
Tesla is probably one of the worst examples one could think of. It took them about 15 years to make a reasonable profit on their latest cars... But up to this day they're in at a loss

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Totally agreed.