Review: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER and 2070 SUPER

#5686472 Posted on: 07/02/2019 06:59 PM

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Tesla is probably one of the worst examples one could think of. It took them about 15 years to make a reasonable profit on their latest cars... But up to this day they're in at a loss

Which is why it's a perfect example.

People are not willing to buy their cars, specifically, people are not willing to pay what tesla wants them to pay based off their R&D.

This is DIRECTLY caring about how much a company pays on its R&D and costs.

You can dislike how much R&D went into a product and therefore how much it costs to you, the consumer, in the end because of it, specifically if it doesn't bring you anything you care about. But that's you CARING how much R&D went into it.

Hence my original statement: Saying consumers shouldn't care how much R&D goes into a product makes zero sense. If you wish they put less and brought out more mediocre products, then thats what you care about, if you wish they'd be more innovative, and bring out more high end, high cost products, then that's what you care about.

Everyone cares about the R&D that goes into products.

#5686475 Posted on: 07/02/2019 07:11 PM

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Tesla is probably one of the worst examples one could think of. It took them about 15 years to make a reasonable profit on their latest cars... But up to this day they're in at a loss
Which is why it's a perfect example.

People are not willing to buy their cars, specifically, people are not willing to pay what tesla wants them to pay based off their R&D.

This is DIRECTLY caring about how much a company pays on its R&D and costs.
I don't think Tesla's profit margins have much at all to do with the discussion at hand. Despite their debts, their products are clearly in high demand, enough so that they've pretty much single-handedly re-introduced the personal EV industry. Not to mention the waiting lists.
The reason they're in so much debt is because they went all-out in anticipation of a profitable future. They designed or are in the process of designing almost everything in-house. They don't use/support 3rd parties for anything, whether that be dealerships, repair centers, or parts suppliers. They built most of their facilities. All of this is absurdly expensive, way beyond what most people would probably assume. The only reason they're able to do any of this is because Musk already had enough money to throw into this project due to stuff like eBay and PayPal. They're still investing more of their own technology and building more of their own facilities, so their profit margins are still going to be crap. But eventually, the dust will settle. When that happens, that doesn't necessarily mean it'll work in Tesla's favor. After all, competition is growing, and fast. My point is their spending sprees won't last forever, which obviously affects profits.

In the case of Nvidia, they're already a well-established brand with huge profits to begin with. They can dump billions of dollars into something and although they expect their customers to foot that bill, they're probably going to be fine if it doesn't pan out that way. But, I highly doubt Nvidia spent billions working on RT cores. So as far as I'm concerned, their prices aren't based on R&D costs but rather having an edge over the competition. Of course, an edge that they overestimated.

#5686476 Posted on: 07/02/2019 07:13 PM

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Price & Performance getting better here from NVidia, but not game changers for Pascal owners - just a somewhat subtle rebalancing of price/performance to compete with upcoming AMD products.

#5686477 Posted on: 07/02/2019 07:17 PM

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I noticed something looking at the benchmarks from the competition (nvidia/amd) point of view:

Looking at the results between 2070 Super and Radeon VII and comparing price/performance ratio I think that nvidia killed Radeon VII.

#5686478 Posted on: 07/02/2019 07:18 PM

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I hope this launch finally convinces even the Nvidia fansboys that this is a scumbag company that doesn't care about anything but profit, definitely not about the customer or about other companies.