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#5693763 Posted on: 07/24/2019 12:33 AM
You better throw your whole computer in the trash and lock yourself in the closet then. This is the way the computer industry has worked for decades. If you want to be an early adopter you pay more, you should know something is always going to show up quickly that is better.
Even if you aren't an early adopter. You should always know something better is around the corner.
No it not's like this in the past, new series always have 1 year gap. Nvidia could sell their RTX card at Super series price from the beginning but since they don't have a competitor they getting their head big and sell it with higher price. Now AMD are catching them up in the performance and since ray tracing and DLSS are garbage they start using strategies like this Super series crap...
Next time I build my 2nd rig, I'll definitely goes to AMD card instead.
You better throw your whole computer in the trash and lock yourself in the closet then. This is the way the computer industry has worked for decades. If you want to be an early adopter you pay more, you should know something is always going to show up quickly that is better.
Even if you aren't an early adopter. You should always know something better is around the corner.
No it not's like this in the past, new series always have 1 year gap. Nvidia could sell their RTX card at Super series price from the beginning but since they don't have a competitor they getting their head big and sell it with higher price. Now AMD are catching them up in the performance and since ray tracing and DLSS are garbage they start using strategies like this Super series crap...
Next time I build my 2nd rig, I'll definitely goes to AMD card instead.
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#5693819 Posted on: 07/24/2019 08:08 AM
I am very sorry to have spent so much time in my vacation for you to read our free content. BTW one more remark on making accusations on us being bribed and I will hit the ban button, shame on you.
Why are there so many rtx reviews when most people keep buying gtx cards? Is guru3d bribed?
I am very sorry to have spent so much time in my vacation for you to read our free content. BTW one more remark on making accusations on us being bribed and I will hit the ban button, shame on you.
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#5693870 Posted on: 07/24/2019 11:27 AM
Why are there so many rtx reviews when most people keep buying gtx cards? Is guru3d bribed?
Why so many rtx reviews? new or rather replacement cards just came out this month..
No it not's like this in the past, new series always have 1 year gap. Nvidia could sell their RTX card at Super series price from the beginning but since they don't have a competitor they getting their head big and sell it with higher price. Now AMD are catching them up in the performance and since ray tracing and DLSS are garbage they start using strategies like this Super series crap...
Next time I build my 2nd rig, I'll definitely goes to AMD card instead.
It's been 10 months, things like these happen all the time.
Back in the day with Titan coming out at $999 literally 9 months later the 780Ti comes out at $699 with more CUDA (2688 CUDA to 2880) then 3 months after that Titan Black comes out to replace the Titan thats 2880. So Titan (February) -> 780Ti (November) -> Titan Black (February).
This can be a response to AMD like the GTX 1070Ti or the GTX 1060 GDDR5X (came out with GDDR5 originally) after AMD cards came out.
We can say that Nvidia said better yields because if you look at it we had:
(last year)
2080Ti - TU102-300-K1-A1
2080 - TU104-400-A1 (non-factory oc)
2080 - TU104-400A-A1 (factory oc)
2070 - TU106-400-A1(non-factory oc)
2070 - TU104-400A-A1 (factory oc)
2060 - TU106-200-KA-A1
Now the SKU has been replaced:
2080Ti - TU102-300-K1-A1 (Same)
2080S - TU104-450-A1 (New)
2070S - TU104-410-A1 (New)
2060S - TU106-410-A1 (New)
2060 - TU106-200-KA-A1 (Same)
To get that "Super" performance they upped:
2060S = +256 CUDA + TU106 "410" (vs. 200) + 2GB RAM
2070S = +256 CUDA + TU104 die/pcb + better ram.
2080S = +128 CUDA, still TU104 + even better ram.
This doesnt include the RT stuff...
2060 MSRP $349 (AIB retailing $439~$499) -> 2060 Super $399 (AIB retailing $399+)
2070 MSRP $599 (AIB retailing $649~$699) -> 2070 Super $499 (AIB retailing $549+)
2080 MSRP $699 (AIB retailing $770~$790) -> 2080 Super $699 (AIB retailing $699+)
Technically everyone hated the 20 series prices when it first came out.. but on top of that retailer/manufacturers had fun with it as well having $50-100+ price difference between an A and non-A card, I remember having to choose for a 2070 card $649 or $699 last October (non-OC or OC). So IMO for those buying new cards, you're lucky these came out, you're getting more for less. These are the prices it "should" have been from the start but again they didn't really need to do a refresh to stay in the game with AMD they could've easily brought prices down but these Super cards make it more inciting to make the purchase. Those that had the 1080Ti were more disappointed as it took them this long to have the same priced card "beat" it or rather advertised as such or having to pay $1,200 for a "real" upgrade. But in the future we'll see this again with the 2080Ti and gonna be a while till a non-Ti card will be able to beat it.
But lets face it.. Nvidia will put more of their driver support for newer cards so gotta deal with it
Why are there so many rtx reviews when most people keep buying gtx cards? Is guru3d bribed?
Why so many rtx reviews? new or rather replacement cards just came out this month..
No it not's like this in the past, new series always have 1 year gap. Nvidia could sell their RTX card at Super series price from the beginning but since they don't have a competitor they getting their head big and sell it with higher price. Now AMD are catching them up in the performance and since ray tracing and DLSS are garbage they start using strategies like this Super series crap...
Next time I build my 2nd rig, I'll definitely goes to AMD card instead.
It's been 10 months, things like these happen all the time.
Back in the day with Titan coming out at $999 literally 9 months later the 780Ti comes out at $699 with more CUDA (2688 CUDA to 2880) then 3 months after that Titan Black comes out to replace the Titan thats 2880. So Titan (February) -> 780Ti (November) -> Titan Black (February).
This can be a response to AMD like the GTX 1070Ti or the GTX 1060 GDDR5X (came out with GDDR5 originally) after AMD cards came out.
We can say that Nvidia said better yields because if you look at it we had:
(last year)
2080Ti - TU102-300-K1-A1
2080 - TU104-400-A1 (non-factory oc)
2080 - TU104-400A-A1 (factory oc)
2070 - TU106-400-A1(non-factory oc)
2070 - TU104-400A-A1 (factory oc)
2060 - TU106-200-KA-A1
Now the SKU has been replaced:
2080Ti - TU102-300-K1-A1 (Same)
2080S - TU104-450-A1 (New)
2070S - TU104-410-A1 (New)
2060S - TU106-410-A1 (New)
2060 - TU106-200-KA-A1 (Same)
To get that "Super" performance they upped:
2060S = +256 CUDA + TU106 "410" (vs. 200) + 2GB RAM
2070S = +256 CUDA + TU104 die/pcb + better ram.
2080S = +128 CUDA, still TU104 + even better ram.
This doesnt include the RT stuff...
2060 MSRP $349 (AIB retailing $439~$499) -> 2060 Super $399 (AIB retailing $399+)
2070 MSRP $599 (AIB retailing $649~$699) -> 2070 Super $499 (AIB retailing $549+)
2080 MSRP $699 (AIB retailing $770~$790) -> 2080 Super $699 (AIB retailing $699+)
Technically everyone hated the 20 series prices when it first came out.. but on top of that retailer/manufacturers had fun with it as well having $50-100+ price difference between an A and non-A card, I remember having to choose for a 2070 card $649 or $699 last October (non-OC or OC). So IMO for those buying new cards, you're lucky these came out, you're getting more for less. These are the prices it "should" have been from the start but again they didn't really need to do a refresh to stay in the game with AMD they could've easily brought prices down but these Super cards make it more inciting to make the purchase. Those that had the 1080Ti were more disappointed as it took them this long to have the same priced card "beat" it or rather advertised as such or having to pay $1,200 for a "real" upgrade. But in the future we'll see this again with the 2080Ti and gonna be a while till a non-Ti card will be able to beat it.
But lets face it.. Nvidia will put more of their driver support for newer cards so gotta deal with it
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#5693877 Posted on: 07/24/2019 12:15 PM
nVidia, nor any other company has much control over what retailers charge for their products. Or did you forget the mining craze the past two years and how much both nVidia AND AMD cards skyrocketed in price? It's called supply and demand. Seems they don't teach this in schools these days.
Nvidia, and various reviewers stating that this card costs 100 less just proves now that Nvidia was lying about the price of the original RTX 2080 launch all along. "Starting price" of the RTX 2080 was supposedly 700, even though that price did not exist anywhere. Now everyone openly saying the RTX 2080 was 800, and this Super card is 100 less just proves it. Caught in your lies once again, Nvidia.
nVidia, nor any other company has much control over what retailers charge for their products. Or did you forget the mining craze the past two years and how much both nVidia AND AMD cards skyrocketed in price? It's called supply and demand. Seems they don't teach this in schools these days.
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You better throw your whole computer in the trash and lock yourself in the closet then. This is the way the computer industry has worked for decades. If you want to be an early adopter you pay more, you should know something is always going to show up quickly that is better.
Even if you aren't an early adopter. You should always know something better is around the corner.