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#5708989 Posted on: 09/07/2019 11:27 PM
Year ago price situation wasn't this bad, because games of 2018 are less demanding in general, while many games of 2019 seem to be quite demanding. I predict many game studios prepare to release their current games that are on current generation consoles for the next generation consoles as well, so they make those games in a way they can be visually scaled upwards with little effort.
Now we are at the phase where you want to upgrade, because games are demanding and you might have gotten 1440p or 4K monitor or plan to upgrade to one, since 1440p monitors are getting cheaper and cheaper. It is very likely a completely new build will be paired with 1440p monitor, so this resolution's adoption rate will accelerate very soon. On top of increased resolution new consoles are in the horizon and you really don't want to be in a corner as a customer, where you bought a hefty GPU in 2019, but in 2020 with the new consoles, games get suddenly dramatically more demanding.
Given all this, I could accept paying 500 € for a new GPU if it would be guaranteed to last and max out games at 1440p for the next three years, but that is certainly not the case, which I can personally guarantee. The reality is you either buy a new extreme GPU like RTX 2080 Super and play happily with it without any money left or you get 500 € GPU and will struggle probably already next year (at 1440p). Any 300 € GPU is not even a proper upgrade over something like GTX 1060. Needless to say, the situation is very anti consumer if one is able to peek into the future.
I got my hopes up with Navi and it really turned out to be a very good chip. Navi cards have no issues, but unfortunately despite them being relatively very cheap to produce, they cost very much. It seems AMD has separate managements for CPUs and GPUs, since Ryzen 3000-series remains as great value, but Navis' value is poor while GeForce cards' value is bad.
I'm quite lenient guy, so I would even accept paying 300 € now and 300 € again after two years, but no, you cannot get even a slight upgrade over GTX 1070 for 300 euros. I cannot fathom how stupid the business currently is. There are many people, statistically proven, like me, who have GTX 1060/1070 level of a card, willing to upgrade their GPU with at least 300 € in their pocket, but what AMD does with low cost Navi chip is the exact opposite of sensible. They have to realize soon that they need to produce the chip in vast amounts and just drop the price of RX 5700 XT at 350 €, so they will sell like crazy, I'm sure of this.
Before this price drop, everything is stagnant, money doesn't flow anywhere, you install a game like Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice and realize your GTX 1070 cannot maintain over 60 FPS with highest settings (at 1440p). Naturally you can lower settings, but in visually impressive games with beautiful vistas you really don't want to sacrifice graphical fidelity, unlike in games like Dirt Rally 2.0, where the graphics don't matter nearly as much.
An unfortunate situation for everybody this is. AMD please wake up!
Yeah I miss the days when you could get a good performing mid-range card for $250 and a high end card for $350-$400. $1200 for a 2080 Ti is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.
Year ago price situation wasn't this bad, because games of 2018 are less demanding in general, while many games of 2019 seem to be quite demanding. I predict many game studios prepare to release their current games that are on current generation consoles for the next generation consoles as well, so they make those games in a way they can be visually scaled upwards with little effort.
Now we are at the phase where you want to upgrade, because games are demanding and you might have gotten 1440p or 4K monitor or plan to upgrade to one, since 1440p monitors are getting cheaper and cheaper. It is very likely a completely new build will be paired with 1440p monitor, so this resolution's adoption rate will accelerate very soon. On top of increased resolution new consoles are in the horizon and you really don't want to be in a corner as a customer, where you bought a hefty GPU in 2019, but in 2020 with the new consoles, games get suddenly dramatically more demanding.
Given all this, I could accept paying 500 € for a new GPU if it would be guaranteed to last and max out games at 1440p for the next three years, but that is certainly not the case, which I can personally guarantee. The reality is you either buy a new extreme GPU like RTX 2080 Super and play happily with it without any money left or you get 500 € GPU and will struggle probably already next year (at 1440p). Any 300 € GPU is not even a proper upgrade over something like GTX 1060. Needless to say, the situation is very anti consumer if one is able to peek into the future.
I got my hopes up with Navi and it really turned out to be a very good chip. Navi cards have no issues, but unfortunately despite them being relatively very cheap to produce, they cost very much. It seems AMD has separate managements for CPUs and GPUs, since Ryzen 3000-series remains as great value, but Navis' value is poor while GeForce cards' value is bad.
I'm quite lenient guy, so I would even accept paying 300 € now and 300 € again after two years, but no, you cannot get even a slight upgrade over GTX 1070 for 300 euros. I cannot fathom how stupid the business currently is. There are many people, statistically proven, like me, who have GTX 1060/1070 level of a card, willing to upgrade their GPU with at least 300 € in their pocket, but what AMD does with low cost Navi chip is the exact opposite of sensible. They have to realize soon that they need to produce the chip in vast amounts and just drop the price of RX 5700 XT at 350 €, so they will sell like crazy, I'm sure of this.
Before this price drop, everything is stagnant, money doesn't flow anywhere, you install a game like Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice and realize your GTX 1070 cannot maintain over 60 FPS with highest settings (at 1440p). Naturally you can lower settings, but in visually impressive games with beautiful vistas you really don't want to sacrifice graphical fidelity, unlike in games like Dirt Rally 2.0, where the graphics don't matter nearly as much.
An unfortunate situation for everybody this is. AMD please wake up!
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#5709003 Posted on: 09/08/2019 12:31 AM
I don't see the point of paying even $1 over 500 for a 2070S with the reference models being as good as they are this time around. I've always liked the aesthetics of the Gaming X and build quality was solid on my 1070 but the FE cards do a good job at cooling, are silent, cost less and have an even better build quality. The overclocked 2070S FE reviewed on this site even beat this overclocked MSI 2070S, scoring 10733 to 10601 respectively on Timespy. Good riddance to crappy blower reference designs.
I don't see the point of paying even $1 over 500 for a 2070S with the reference models being as good as they are this time around. I've always liked the aesthetics of the Gaming X and build quality was solid on my 1070 but the FE cards do a good job at cooling, are silent, cost less and have an even better build quality. The overclocked 2070S FE reviewed on this site even beat this overclocked MSI 2070S, scoring 10733 to 10601 respectively on Timespy. Good riddance to crappy blower reference designs.
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#5709220 Posted on: 09/09/2019 01:45 AM
anyone knows when this is going to be available? I've been looking for a MSI 2070s SG X Trio but can't find any available for close to MSRP...this would work however...
anyone knows when this is going to be available? I've been looking for a MSI 2070s SG X Trio but can't find any available for close to MSRP...this would work however...
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#5711704 Posted on: 09/16/2019 05:39 PM
Hm its still not listed, i second the question when is the europe release?
Hm its still not listed, i second the question when is the europe release?
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I know that the game has terrible optimalization, same as previous games from the company.
I dont have a urge to cash-force my way thru a messy engines.
If there is a great game (prefferably more than one tho!!) with top gameplay, and really nice graphics I want to play, and I will not be able to do so because of 970 - I will consider update.
Control is not such a title.