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#5628034 Posted on: 01/16/2019 05:07 AM
Why would anyone waste money on 4K when you could just go 8K?
Why would anyone waste money on 4K when you could just go 8K?
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#5628037 Posted on: 01/16/2019 05:15 AM
I have two 4K panels at my house and both do full 4:4:4 chroma yet I still find myself going back to my QHD 144Hz G-sync display.
I have two 4K panels at my house and both do full 4:4:4 chroma yet I still find myself going back to my QHD 144Hz G-sync display.
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#5628038 Posted on: 01/16/2019 05:36 AM
According to Digital Foundry, using High textures in BF5 gets you around 70 FPS with ray tracing. Seems the horse power is there actually, despite what people keep saying. But BF5 has issues with VRAM management with ray tracing on, and 6 GB gets tapped out.
According to Digital Foundry, using High textures in BF5 gets you around 70 FPS with ray tracing. Seems the horse power is there actually, despite what people keep saying. But BF5 has issues with VRAM management with ray tracing on, and 6 GB gets tapped out.
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#5628149 Posted on: 01/16/2019 10:59 AM
Yep, I saw this too (Ultra textures lowers the fps), this is added support to my thinking that the RTX 2060 with only 6GB VRAM isn't really a card to last much beyond yr 2020 - or in other words until NVidia release their next gen of cards on 7nm process shrink...I just see this card as a stop gap to last until that point.
According to Digital Foundry, using High textures in BF5 gets you around 70 FPS with ray tracing. Seems the horse power is there actually, despite what people keep saying. But BF5 has issues with VRAM management with ray tracing on, and 6 GB gets tapped out.
Yep, I saw this too (Ultra textures lowers the fps), this is added support to my thinking that the RTX 2060 with only 6GB VRAM isn't really a card to last much beyond yr 2020 - or in other words until NVidia release their next gen of cards on 7nm process shrink...I just see this card as a stop gap to last until that point.
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#5628184 Posted on: 01/16/2019 01:22 PM
Question is: "What AMD has in between RX-590 and Radeon 7?"
"And what do you expect they'll do about this situation within next 6 months?"
It is not issue of capacity. It is issue of bandwidth. And issue of processing those larger textures by GPU.
In case total VRAM capacity would be issue, fps would drop drastically and stutter-fest would be noticeable even for lemur.
As much as I want to support AMDA I don't feel like they can reach the performance of 2060 for this price with the next release. Not to mention it won't be anywhere in the next 6 months ..
Question is: "What AMD has in between RX-590 and Radeon 7?"
"And what do you expect they'll do about this situation within next 6 months?"
According to Digital Foundry, using High textures in BF5 gets you around 70 FPS with ray tracing. Seems the horse power is there actually, despite what people keep saying. But BF5 has issues with VRAM management with ray tracing on, and 6 GB gets tapped out.
It is not issue of capacity. It is issue of bandwidth. And issue of processing those larger textures by GPU.
In case total VRAM capacity would be issue, fps would drop drastically and stutter-fest would be noticeable even for lemur.
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#5628206 Posted on: 01/16/2019 02:16 PM
Fools.
First. Yes, 4k is standard despite you not owning it because you continuing to fund overpriced nvidia low end performance cards and panel manufacturers who continue to milk 2000's level tech. Don't you get that phone's have been doing 1440p for years and 4k monitors have been out for nearly a decade already!?! All new TVs now are f**king 4K.
Second. OF COURSE 60HZ IS LOW AND THIS CARD CAN NOT DO IT at 4K CONSISTENTLY. DEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
First chill out a bit buddy, second its not nice to shout at people
4K may be a standard in movies and TV but NOT gaming yet.
consoles may be advertising 4K but its all trickery and fancy effects with crap load of blur
Fools.
First. Yes, 4k is standard despite you not owning it because you continuing to fund overpriced nvidia low end performance cards and panel manufacturers who continue to milk 2000's level tech. Don't you get that phone's have been doing 1440p for years and 4k monitors have been out for nearly a decade already!?! All new TVs now are f**king 4K.
Second. OF COURSE 60HZ IS LOW AND THIS CARD CAN NOT DO IT at 4K CONSISTENTLY. DEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
First chill out a bit buddy, second its not nice to shout at people
4K may be a standard in movies and TV but NOT gaming yet.
consoles may be advertising 4K but its all trickery and fancy effects with crap load of blur
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#5628280 Posted on: 01/16/2019 04:45 PM
I know this is a painful request, but could you perhaps test BF V in DX11 in future . I just feel DX12 is a mess and shouldnt be used to judge any graphics cards performance.
I know this is a painful request, but could you perhaps test BF V in DX11 in future . I just feel DX12 is a mess and shouldnt be used to judge any graphics cards performance.
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#5628325 Posted on: 01/16/2019 06:35 PM
First chill out a bit buddy, second its not nice to shout at people
4K may be a standard in movies and TV but NOT gaming yet.
consoles may be advertising 4K but its all trickery and fancy effects with crap load of blur
Don't worry he wont last long here with that nerd rage he's got.
First chill out a bit buddy, second its not nice to shout at people
4K may be a standard in movies and TV but NOT gaming yet.
consoles may be advertising 4K but its all trickery and fancy effects with crap load of blur
Don't worry he wont last long here with that nerd rage he's got.
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#5628445 Posted on: 01/16/2019 10:09 PM
I'm honestly curious now, what's the price delta between Vega 56 and the RTX 2060 on your end locally?
Because here it's pretty much equal, though obviously with the RTX 2060 being so new it's anyone's guess how it'll develop.
The reviews I've read puts Vega 56 within 5% of the RTX 2060 so I figure either relative pricing would have to be very different on your end or you have extremely low hopes for any future GPU development.
Which I wouldn't blame anyone for mind you, it's not like the last 3 years have been a huge bundle of excitement on the GPU front.
As much as I want to support AMDA I don't feel like they can reach the performance of 2060 for this price with the next release.
Like FrostNixon, I don't see Navi touching the performance at a similar price.
I'm honestly curious now, what's the price delta between Vega 56 and the RTX 2060 on your end locally?
Because here it's pretty much equal, though obviously with the RTX 2060 being so new it's anyone's guess how it'll develop.
The reviews I've read puts Vega 56 within 5% of the RTX 2060 so I figure either relative pricing would have to be very different on your end or you have extremely low hopes for any future GPU development.
Which I wouldn't blame anyone for mind you, it's not like the last 3 years have been a huge bundle of excitement on the GPU front.
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#5628597 Posted on: 01/17/2019 05:52 AM
I'm honestly curious now, what's the price delta between Vega 56 and the RTX 2060 on your end locally?
Because here it's pretty much equal, though obviously with the RTX 2060 being so new it's anyone's guess how it'll develop.
The reviews I've read puts Vega 56 within 5% of the RTX 2060 so I figure either relative pricing would have to be very different on your end or you have extremely low hopes for any future GPU development.
Which I wouldn't blame anyone for mind you, it's not like the last 3 years have been a huge bundle of excitement on the GPU front.
For me...
PowerColor Red Dragon Vega 56 is $340
Asus ROG Vega 56 is $700
Asus RTX2060 is $350
As MSI and Asus are my preferred brands, it's really a no-brainer to go with the RTX2060 there....
With 7nm being so new and given the expected price/performance of the Radeon VII, I have fairly low expectations for Navi at this point. My upgrade isn't planned until mid-summer, so AMD still has time to pull off something big, if they actually can. I'm just not going to get my hopes up at this point. The RTX2060 is roughly double the performance of my current RX470 so paying the higher price for a Vega 56 is not an option. That's why I've kept the RX470 to begin with. AMD just has nothing to "upgrade" to that makes sense right now.
I'm honestly curious now, what's the price delta between Vega 56 and the RTX 2060 on your end locally?
Because here it's pretty much equal, though obviously with the RTX 2060 being so new it's anyone's guess how it'll develop.
The reviews I've read puts Vega 56 within 5% of the RTX 2060 so I figure either relative pricing would have to be very different on your end or you have extremely low hopes for any future GPU development.
Which I wouldn't blame anyone for mind you, it's not like the last 3 years have been a huge bundle of excitement on the GPU front.
For me...
PowerColor Red Dragon Vega 56 is $340
Asus ROG Vega 56 is $700
Asus RTX2060 is $350
As MSI and Asus are my preferred brands, it's really a no-brainer to go with the RTX2060 there....
With 7nm being so new and given the expected price/performance of the Radeon VII, I have fairly low expectations for Navi at this point. My upgrade isn't planned until mid-summer, so AMD still has time to pull off something big, if they actually can. I'm just not going to get my hopes up at this point. The RTX2060 is roughly double the performance of my current RX470 so paying the higher price for a Vega 56 is not an option. That's why I've kept the RX470 to begin with. AMD just has nothing to "upgrade" to that makes sense right now.
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#5628617 Posted on: 01/17/2019 07:38 AM
I need something but I am not getting another 1k+ card to boost guys xp points in bfv
since I don't really game too much,waiting for ss4 1/2 and I can get bfv for free with a nv card
.i have been using a msi 750 ti but that wont do, I am holding off on a new monitor.
I wish we would get a 2070ti or a busted 2070gpu on a 256 bit bus 2060 ti sooner then later.
msi card sold out at the egg the trigger on 1 this week
new cards are so boring now a days but whatever
GTX2060 is going for $350 to $415 USD.... If prices hold, I'll probably be picking one up in the summer since NVidia has decided to support adaptive-sync.... Like FrostNixon, I don't see Navi touching the performance at a similar price.
I need something but I am not getting another 1k+ card to boost guys xp points in bfv
since I don't really game too much,waiting for ss4 1/2 and I can get bfv for free with a nv card
.i have been using a msi 750 ti but that wont do, I am holding off on a new monitor.
I wish we would get a 2070ti or a busted 2070gpu on a 256 bit bus 2060 ti sooner then later.
msi card sold out at the egg the trigger on 1 this week
new cards are so boring now a days but whatever
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#5628624 Posted on: 01/17/2019 08:06 AM
I need something but I am not getting another 1k+ card to boost guys xp points in bfv
since I don't really game too much,waiting for ss4 1/2 and I can get bfv for free with a nv card
.i have been using a msi 750 ti but that wont do, I am holding off on a new monitor.
I wish we would get a 2070ti or a busted 2070gpu on a 256 bit bus 2060 ti sooner then later.
msi card sold out at the egg the trigger on 1 this week
new cards are so boring now a days but whatever
I don't really NEED something new. A GTX1060 would easily accomplish my goal, but I prefer to buy current gen cards when I do get around to upgrading.
I play Roblox with my son (him on XBox and me on PC), TL, TL2, DA:O, DA2 and occasionally BF4 or SimCity. My current build runs everything (except SimCity) with more than acceptable framerates. I just want something new. As you said though, new cards are boring now a days. I get more excited about new processors...and even those are getting boring quickly. I always thought ray tracing coming to consumer graphics cards would be exciting, but, even it is of no interest to me now....
I need something but I am not getting another 1k+ card to boost guys xp points in bfv
since I don't really game too much,waiting for ss4 1/2 and I can get bfv for free with a nv card
.i have been using a msi 750 ti but that wont do, I am holding off on a new monitor.
I wish we would get a 2070ti or a busted 2070gpu on a 256 bit bus 2060 ti sooner then later.
msi card sold out at the egg the trigger on 1 this week
new cards are so boring now a days but whatever
I don't really NEED something new. A GTX1060 would easily accomplish my goal, but I prefer to buy current gen cards when I do get around to upgrading.
I play Roblox with my son (him on XBox and me on PC), TL, TL2, DA:O, DA2 and occasionally BF4 or SimCity. My current build runs everything (except SimCity) with more than acceptable framerates. I just want something new. As you said though, new cards are boring now a days. I get more excited about new processors...and even those are getting boring quickly. I always thought ray tracing coming to consumer graphics cards would be exciting, but, even it is of no interest to me now....
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#5628714 Posted on: 01/17/2019 12:51 PM
For me...
PowerColor Red Dragon Vega 56 is $340
Asus ROG Vega 56 is $700
That's a pretty significant variance, yikes!
With 7nm being so new and given the expected price/performance of the Radeon VII, I have fairly low expectations for Navi at this point.
Understandable.
FWIW Radeon 7 is supposedly 29% faster than Vega 64 according to AMDs testing, with suitable amounts of salt applied I'd say a new architecture should be able to outdo that. Applied to a suitable performance range that leaves me hopeful Navi should be able to comfortably outperform and/or come in notably cheaper than the Vega 56/GTX 1070Ti/RTX 2060 tier of cards. Same goes for Nvidia's 7nm architecture obviously.
Though in either case we're going to be waiting a while, which perhaps is the best reason to consider a RTX 2060 if you're in need of an upgrade now.
For me...
PowerColor Red Dragon Vega 56 is $340
Asus ROG Vega 56 is $700
That's a pretty significant variance, yikes!
With 7nm being so new and given the expected price/performance of the Radeon VII, I have fairly low expectations for Navi at this point.
Understandable.
FWIW Radeon 7 is supposedly 29% faster than Vega 64 according to AMDs testing, with suitable amounts of salt applied I'd say a new architecture should be able to outdo that. Applied to a suitable performance range that leaves me hopeful Navi should be able to comfortably outperform and/or come in notably cheaper than the Vega 56/GTX 1070Ti/RTX 2060 tier of cards. Same goes for Nvidia's 7nm architecture obviously.
Though in either case we're going to be waiting a while, which perhaps is the best reason to consider a RTX 2060 if you're in need of an upgrade now.
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#5628718 Posted on: 01/17/2019 01:05 PM
These are the prices here where i live and probably most of the EU, not so good.
I even saw used 1080ti for not that much more.
These are the prices here where i live and probably most of the EU, not so good.
I even saw used 1080ti for not that much more.
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Fools.
First. Yes, 4k is standard despite you not owning it because you continuing to fund overpriced nvidia low end performance cards and panel manufacturers who continue to milk 2000's level tech. Don't you get that phone's have been doing 1440p for years and 4k monitors have been out for nearly a decade already!?! All new TVs now are f**king 4K.
Second. OF COURSE 60HZ IS LOW AND THIS CARD CAN NOT DO IT at 4K CONSISTENTLY. DEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR