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#5353426 Posted on: 11/01/2016 09:51 AM
Looks like MSI has a winner here!
Silent, performing great and good price! Well done!
Looks like MSI has a winner here!
Silent, performing great and good price! Well done!
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#5353427 Posted on: 11/01/2016 10:09 AM
I wonder if the Corsair H110 and above are in Quiet or Performance mode in the temperature tests. I guess they are in Perf. mode cause they are slightly ahead of EK Predators.
Apart from that it would have been very interesting to test the HS reviewed with the addition of a 2nd fan of similar characteristic in pull mode.
I wonder if the Corsair H110 and above are in Quiet or Performance mode in the temperature tests. I guess they are in Perf. mode cause they are slightly ahead of EK Predators.
Apart from that it would have been very interesting to test the HS reviewed with the addition of a 2nd fan of similar characteristic in pull mode.
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#5353445 Posted on: 11/01/2016 11:58 AM
I wonder what the effect will be on the GPU's temperature if you take into consideration the direction of airflow. According to the images, the exhaust blows directly on the graphics card...just a thought.
I wonder what the effect will be on the GPU's temperature if you take into consideration the direction of airflow. According to the images, the exhaust blows directly on the graphics card...just a thought.
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#5353448 Posted on: 11/01/2016 12:13 PM
Techpowerup used it sideways:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/Core-Frozr-L/images/installed1.jpg
I wonder what the effect will be on the GPU's temperature if you take into consideration the direction of airflow. According to the images, the exhaust blows directly on the graphics card...just a thought.
Techpowerup used it sideways:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/Core-Frozr-L/images/installed1.jpg
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#5353471 Posted on: 11/01/2016 01:57 PM
The reason for the specific orientation in the review was because HH used the Sabertooth Z97. It will not affect the majority of other motherboards.
So sideway installation to avoid any thermal issues for the gpu will not be an issue..
Just saying.
Quote:
"One problem you could run into is the base-plate mounting. It is a little big and if you have a motherboard (like we used) with thick plastic shielding and stuff, you might need to mount the cooler 90 degrees differently (as shown in the top photo). 98% of the motherboards do not have this issue though, we use the Z97 SaberTooth from ASUS for this very specific reason as it has shielding all over the place."
I wonder what the effect will be on the GPU's temperature if you take into consideration the direction of airflow. According to the images, the exhaust blows directly on the graphics card...just a thought.
The reason for the specific orientation in the review was because HH used the Sabertooth Z97. It will not affect the majority of other motherboards.
So sideway installation to avoid any thermal issues for the gpu will not be an issue..
Just saying.
Quote:
"One problem you could run into is the base-plate mounting. It is a little big and if you have a motherboard (like we used) with thick plastic shielding and stuff, you might need to mount the cooler 90 degrees differently (as shown in the top photo). 98% of the motherboards do not have this issue though, we use the Z97 SaberTooth from ASUS for this very specific reason as it has shielding all over the place."
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#5353473 Posted on: 11/01/2016 01:59 PM
Techpowerup used it sideways:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/Core-Frozr-L/images/installed1.jpg
I always use it sideways and put another fan for push-pull.
Techpowerup used it sideways:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/Core-Frozr-L/images/installed1.jpg
I always use it sideways and put another fan for push-pull.
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#5353481 Posted on: 11/01/2016 02:34 PM
So, where can I get one???
So, where can I get one???
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#5353485 Posted on: 11/01/2016 02:38 PM
Ah, I see - missed that bit. Thanks for pointing that out.
Ah, I see - missed that bit. Thanks for pointing that out.
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#5353525 Posted on: 11/01/2016 04:11 PM
Impressive results, just a bit shy of the older Noctua DH14 model which is a fair bit bulkier and heavier, not bad at all.
EDIT: Noctua DH14 ~1200g with both fans whereas this according to specs weighs 960g, still heavy but a good reduction while offering similar performance.
(Plus the DH14 uses two fans whereas this uses one but if I remember reviews right there's not a huge difference if you remove one of the fans from the DH14.)
Can't really tell due to this motherboard in the review having a shroud or something over the CPU slot but I guess this fan isn't quite as restrictive with RAM size either depending on motherboard layout.
EDIT: Falls behind a little bit more in the overclock test but not by that much, 3 degrees or so in idle and then pretty much even in the full load test which is the more important one.
Though I guess air cooling caps out depending on various factors from idle temps to airflow and such whereas water cooling while a bit more work to set up has less restrictions.
(And then there's oil cooling or more like submersion but I haven't seen that in a few years now so I guess it was too much work for only marginal improvements over water?)
EDIT: Seems to be fairly silent too.
Wonder how that 5960K 8-core CPU would fare? Guessing it's a bit above the 4790 here in terms of heat although if one can afford a 1000$+ dollar CPU just like that one could probably afford decent cooling for it heh not exactly standard hardware with such pricing though then again for "just" gaming a eight core CPU might be a bit overkill in most titles due to CPU scaling, "lower" end model but OC'd a bit to make up for it might fare better too due to that, probably getting a higher stable OC too.
(Not that I would know but I assume with hardware like that or GPU's like the TitanX Pascal well the manufacturer might be a bit less willing to let the review website or such keep said hardware too so probably not the easiest to keep around for testing.)
Problem here is that since the 6700k uses TIM instead of solder and the fact that it has a tiny die, TIM cannot conduct heat fast enough..
That is why all of the HSF coolers are so similiar.
a 5960x(or 6 core) would be a better CPU to test with; it would show a coolers true potential and the DH-14 should gain another 5-10c advantage over this MSI cooler.
Impressive results, just a bit shy of the older Noctua DH14 model which is a fair bit bulkier and heavier, not bad at all.
EDIT: Noctua DH14 ~1200g with both fans whereas this according to specs weighs 960g, still heavy but a good reduction while offering similar performance.
(Plus the DH14 uses two fans whereas this uses one but if I remember reviews right there's not a huge difference if you remove one of the fans from the DH14.)
Can't really tell due to this motherboard in the review having a shroud or something over the CPU slot but I guess this fan isn't quite as restrictive with RAM size either depending on motherboard layout.
EDIT: Falls behind a little bit more in the overclock test but not by that much, 3 degrees or so in idle and then pretty much even in the full load test which is the more important one.
Though I guess air cooling caps out depending on various factors from idle temps to airflow and such whereas water cooling while a bit more work to set up has less restrictions.
(And then there's oil cooling or more like submersion but I haven't seen that in a few years now so I guess it was too much work for only marginal improvements over water?)
EDIT: Seems to be fairly silent too.
Wonder how that 5960K 8-core CPU would fare? Guessing it's a bit above the 4790 here in terms of heat although if one can afford a 1000$+ dollar CPU just like that one could probably afford decent cooling for it heh not exactly standard hardware with such pricing though then again for "just" gaming a eight core CPU might be a bit overkill in most titles due to CPU scaling, "lower" end model but OC'd a bit to make up for it might fare better too due to that, probably getting a higher stable OC too.
(Not that I would know but I assume with hardware like that or GPU's like the TitanX Pascal well the manufacturer might be a bit less willing to let the review website or such keep said hardware too so probably not the easiest to keep around for testing.)
Problem here is that since the 6700k uses TIM instead of solder and the fact that it has a tiny die, TIM cannot conduct heat fast enough..
That is why all of the HSF coolers are so similiar.
a 5960x(or 6 core) would be a better CPU to test with; it would show a coolers true potential and the DH-14 should gain another 5-10c advantage over this MSI cooler.
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#5353551 Posted on: 11/01/2016 05:23 PM
You know, you are right and you have is a totally sound thesis, however people want to compare coolers with processors they can afford / own and not compare it towards processors only 0.1% of the PC community have.
We did that in the past and people seriously hated the usage of an enthusiast class processor for cooling reviews. For the test itself objectively you are right, it's just not what the majority of our reader-base would like to read about. They want to be able to compare it to a setup they own and can afford (or is reasonably comparative to that).
It actually is a very similar situation with our graphics card reviews, the reviews often get attacked due to the fact I use an 8-core 5960X @ 4.3 GHz where I often get the remark that hardly anyone owns /uses such a processor. See I am testing the full capacity of a graphics card. and am not trying to limit it. The huge majority of the reader-base is using a quad-core processor. The number of times that people claimed that our 3DMark results are screwed due to using an 8-core part I cannot even count anymore. Neither can I convince the reader-base that is it better to use a massive processor for testing. e.g., I use such a high-end tweaked CPU not limit (if possible) the higher-end and enthusiast class graphics cards. E.g. I do not want to CPU bottleneck a test environment at lower resolutions. Two years after using this processor people finally and slowly are accepting the 8-core processor as a valid component in the test-setup,
I purchased a 6950X 10-core processor for GFX reviews, yet cannot use in my graphics card reviews for exactly the reasoning I just described, people would spit on the reviews if they see a 10-core beast at a 4.3 GHz clock per core. But considering it is a 1200 USD part, people absolutely and irrefutable refuse to accept it as a proper component in a test environment. It is all for the very same reason, people want to compare with what they have at home (within reason and acceptable margin).
It is the same with CPU cooler reviews ... we need to stay a little in the affordable range. This is why I introduced the overclocking segment in the cooler reviews .. if the cooler can take it we'll take the processor up and over 1.40 Volts. The high voltage OC results as far as I am concerned are a definitive enough answer to your question, as the tweak really stresses the cooler.
Okay, that's way more words then I wanted to type in this reply lol
a 5960x(or 6 core) would be a better CPU to test with; it would show a coolers true potential and the DH-14 should gain another 5-10c advantage over this MSI cooler.
You know, you are right and you have is a totally sound thesis, however people want to compare coolers with processors they can afford / own and not compare it towards processors only 0.1% of the PC community have.
We did that in the past and people seriously hated the usage of an enthusiast class processor for cooling reviews. For the test itself objectively you are right, it's just not what the majority of our reader-base would like to read about. They want to be able to compare it to a setup they own and can afford (or is reasonably comparative to that).
It actually is a very similar situation with our graphics card reviews, the reviews often get attacked due to the fact I use an 8-core 5960X @ 4.3 GHz where I often get the remark that hardly anyone owns /uses such a processor. See I am testing the full capacity of a graphics card. and am not trying to limit it. The huge majority of the reader-base is using a quad-core processor. The number of times that people claimed that our 3DMark results are screwed due to using an 8-core part I cannot even count anymore. Neither can I convince the reader-base that is it better to use a massive processor for testing. e.g., I use such a high-end tweaked CPU not limit (if possible) the higher-end and enthusiast class graphics cards. E.g. I do not want to CPU bottleneck a test environment at lower resolutions. Two years after using this processor people finally and slowly are accepting the 8-core processor as a valid component in the test-setup,
I purchased a 6950X 10-core processor for GFX reviews, yet cannot use in my graphics card reviews for exactly the reasoning I just described, people would spit on the reviews if they see a 10-core beast at a 4.3 GHz clock per core. But considering it is a 1200 USD part, people absolutely and irrefutable refuse to accept it as a proper component in a test environment. It is all for the very same reason, people want to compare with what they have at home (within reason and acceptable margin).
It is the same with CPU cooler reviews ... we need to stay a little in the affordable range. This is why I introduced the overclocking segment in the cooler reviews .. if the cooler can take it we'll take the processor up and over 1.40 Volts. The high voltage OC results as far as I am concerned are a definitive enough answer to your question, as the tweak really stresses the cooler.
Okay, that's way more words then I wanted to type in this reply lol
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#5353567 Posted on: 11/01/2016 06:25 PM
You know, you are right and you have is a totally sound thesis, however people want to compare coolers with processors they can afford / own and not compare it towards processors only 0.1% of the PC community have.
We did that in the past and people seriously hated the usage of an enthusiast class processor for cooling reviews. For the test itself objectively you are right, it's just not what the majority of our reader-base would like to read about. They want to be able to compare it to a setup they own and can afford (or is reasonably comparative to that).
It actually is a very similar situation with our graphics card reviews, the reviews often get attacked due to the fact I use an 8-core 5960X @ 4.3 GHz where I often get the remark that hardly anyone owns /uses such a processor. See I am testing the full capacity of a graphics card. and am not trying to limit it. The huge majority of the reader-base is using a quad-core processor. The number of times that people claimed that our 3DMark results are screwed due to using an 8-core part I cannot even count anymore. Neither can I convince the reader-base that is it better to use a massive processor for testing. e.g., I use such a high-end tweaked CPU not limit (if possible) the higher-end and enthusiast class graphics cards. E.g. I do not want to CPU bottleneck a test environment at lower resolutions. Two years after using this processor people finally and slowly are accepting the 8-core processor as a valid component in the test-setup,
I purchased a 6950X 10-core processor for GFX reviews, yet cannot use in my graphics card reviews for exactly the reasoning I just described, people would spit on the reviews if they see a 10-core beast at a 4.3 GHz clock per core. But considering it is a 1200 USD part, people absolutely and irrefutable refuse to accept it as a proper component in a test environment. It is all for the very same reason, people want to compare with what they have at home (within reason and acceptable margin).
It is the same with CPU cooler reviews ... we need to stay a little in the affordable range. This is why I introduced the overclocking segment in the cooler reviews .. if the cooler can take it we'll take the processor up and over 1.40 Volts. The high voltage OC results as far as I am concerned are a definitive enough answer to your question, as the tweak really stresses the cooler.
Okay, that's way more words then I wanted to type in this reply lol
Yes I understand where you are getting at.
I don't get how people don't understand when reviewing a GPU that you want it to be the bottleneck of the system.
What good is testing it with an i5 and only getting 70% usage out of a titan X pascal?
But anyways, I think you should use a 6 core as the CPU for thermal testing.
a 5820k/6800k are very obtainable, they are only like $40 more expensive than a 6700k.
I get that most users will have a CPU that uses TIM instead of solder but it skews the results for others.
Someone will look at the review and see that this $30 cooler is only a couple degrees from a $100 cooler and think that $100 cooler is a waste of money.
Then they proceed to use a $30 cooler on their 6/8 core and wonder why temperatures are so high under load.
That's why IMO a 6 core would be a perfect medium to test thermals with.
It gives a more realistic representation of a coolers potential.
You know, you are right and you have is a totally sound thesis, however people want to compare coolers with processors they can afford / own and not compare it towards processors only 0.1% of the PC community have.
We did that in the past and people seriously hated the usage of an enthusiast class processor for cooling reviews. For the test itself objectively you are right, it's just not what the majority of our reader-base would like to read about. They want to be able to compare it to a setup they own and can afford (or is reasonably comparative to that).
It actually is a very similar situation with our graphics card reviews, the reviews often get attacked due to the fact I use an 8-core 5960X @ 4.3 GHz where I often get the remark that hardly anyone owns /uses such a processor. See I am testing the full capacity of a graphics card. and am not trying to limit it. The huge majority of the reader-base is using a quad-core processor. The number of times that people claimed that our 3DMark results are screwed due to using an 8-core part I cannot even count anymore. Neither can I convince the reader-base that is it better to use a massive processor for testing. e.g., I use such a high-end tweaked CPU not limit (if possible) the higher-end and enthusiast class graphics cards. E.g. I do not want to CPU bottleneck a test environment at lower resolutions. Two years after using this processor people finally and slowly are accepting the 8-core processor as a valid component in the test-setup,
I purchased a 6950X 10-core processor for GFX reviews, yet cannot use in my graphics card reviews for exactly the reasoning I just described, people would spit on the reviews if they see a 10-core beast at a 4.3 GHz clock per core. But considering it is a 1200 USD part, people absolutely and irrefutable refuse to accept it as a proper component in a test environment. It is all for the very same reason, people want to compare with what they have at home (within reason and acceptable margin).
It is the same with CPU cooler reviews ... we need to stay a little in the affordable range. This is why I introduced the overclocking segment in the cooler reviews .. if the cooler can take it we'll take the processor up and over 1.40 Volts. The high voltage OC results as far as I am concerned are a definitive enough answer to your question, as the tweak really stresses the cooler.
Okay, that's way more words then I wanted to type in this reply lol
Yes I understand where you are getting at.
I don't get how people don't understand when reviewing a GPU that you want it to be the bottleneck of the system.
What good is testing it with an i5 and only getting 70% usage out of a titan X pascal?
But anyways, I think you should use a 6 core as the CPU for thermal testing.
a 5820k/6800k are very obtainable, they are only like $40 more expensive than a 6700k.
I get that most users will have a CPU that uses TIM instead of solder but it skews the results for others.
Someone will look at the review and see that this $30 cooler is only a couple degrees from a $100 cooler and think that $100 cooler is a waste of money.
Then they proceed to use a $30 cooler on their 6/8 core and wonder why temperatures are so high under load.
That's why IMO a 6 core would be a perfect medium to test thermals with.
It gives a more realistic representation of a coolers potential.
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#5353571 Posted on: 11/01/2016 06:31 PM
That lil cool has some nice performance it even gives the noctau D-14 a run for its money
That lil cool has some nice performance it even gives the noctau D-14 a run for its money
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#5353598 Posted on: 11/01/2016 07:48 PM
That's why IMO a 6 core would be a perfect medium to test thermals with.
It gives a more realistic representation of a coolers potential.
Considering your previous statement that the 6700K uses TIM and not solder, using the 4970K makes considerably more sense. The 4970K runs hot as hell. If the CPU cooler can cope with the heat produced by the 4970K, and keep that particular processor reasonably cool, it's safe to assume that it will do the same with a processor that has proper heat transfer. Of course, you are pointing out a limitation of Noctua's coolers....
I'd expect a $100 cooler to perform just as well, in regards to other coolers, regardless of the thermal transfer media being used between the CPU core and IHS......but that's just how most of the market thinks.
That's why IMO a 6 core would be a perfect medium to test thermals with.
It gives a more realistic representation of a coolers potential.
Considering your previous statement that the 6700K uses TIM and not solder, using the 4970K makes considerably more sense. The 4970K runs hot as hell. If the CPU cooler can cope with the heat produced by the 4970K, and keep that particular processor reasonably cool, it's safe to assume that it will do the same with a processor that has proper heat transfer. Of course, you are pointing out a limitation of Noctua's coolers....
I'd expect a $100 cooler to perform just as well, in regards to other coolers, regardless of the thermal transfer media being used between the CPU core and IHS......but that's just how most of the market thinks.
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#5353602 Posted on: 11/01/2016 08:00 PM
Great job from MSI...nice price too.
Great job from MSI...nice price too.
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Impressive results, just a bit shy of the older Noctua DH14 model which is a fair bit bulkier and heavier, not bad at all.
EDIT: Noctua DH14 ~1200g with both fans whereas this according to specs weighs 960g, still heavy but a good reduction while offering similar performance.
(Plus the DH14 uses two fans whereas this uses one but if I remember reviews right there's not a huge difference if you remove one of the fans from the DH14.)
Can't really tell due to this motherboard in the review having a shroud or something over the CPU slot but I guess this fan isn't quite as restrictive with RAM size either depending on motherboard layout.
EDIT: Falls behind a little bit more in the overclock test but not by that much, 3 degrees or so in idle and then pretty much even in the full load test which is the more important one.
Though I guess air cooling caps out depending on various factors from idle temps to airflow and such whereas water cooling while a bit more work to set up has less restrictions.
(And then there's oil cooling or more like submersion but I haven't seen that in a few years now so I guess it was too much work for only marginal improvements over water?)
EDIT: Seems to be fairly silent too.
Wonder how that 5960K 8-core CPU would fare? Guessing it's a bit above the 4790 here in terms of heat although if one can afford a 1000$+ dollar CPU just like that one could probably afford decent cooling for it heh not exactly standard hardware with such pricing though then again for "just" gaming a eight core CPU might be a bit overkill in most titles due to CPU scaling, "lower" end model but OC'd a bit to make up for it might fare better too due to that, probably getting a higher stable OC too.
(Not that I would know but I assume with hardware like that or GPU's like the TitanX Pascal well the manufacturer might be a bit less willing to let the review website or such keep said hardware too so probably not the easiest to keep around for testing.)