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Review: Intel Core i7 8700K processor
It is time to check out the new six-core proc from Intel, yes the Core i7 8700K will be put through our benchmark paces and yes this is Coffee Lake. The processor does a good job and manages to make a sturdy impression, as well as it being tweakable over 5.0 GHz on all six cores.
Read the review right here.
Review: Gigabyte Aorus Z370 Gaming 7 - 10/05/2017 03:01 PM
In this review we check out that delicious Gigabyte Aorus Z370 Gaming 7 motherboard, we'll pair it with the six-core Core i7 8700K. Yes, this is the new Coffee Lake platform. Read the review right ...
Review: Gigabyte Aorus Z370 Ultra Gaming - 10/05/2017 03:00 PM
One more from Gigabyte, the nicely priced Aorus Z370 Ultra Gaming motherboard getrs tested. Will it perform as fast as the more expensive Gaming 7? Read the review right here....
Review: MSI Z370 Godlike Gaming - 10/05/2017 02:59 PM
MSI has joined the party as well with their enthusiast targeted MSI Z370 Godlike Gaming motherboard, we'll again match it up with the new six-core Core i7 8700K. How do three Ethernet jacks and the o...
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#5478746 Posted on: 10/05/2017 04:09 PM
I want one of those!!!
I want one of those!!!
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#5478747 Posted on: 10/05/2017 04:11 PM
I disagree. The best ways to directly compare CPUs can be any of the following:
* Overall performance-per-watt
* Overall performance-per- (which is seen in the article)
* Specifically single-threaded and multi-threaded variations of the first 2
Note this is when just comparing two CPUs; this isn't how you determine whether a CPU is the best fit for a job or the best value. Knowing Hilbert, he doesn't judge products based on price, but their overall capability, which is perfectly fine. He does point out value, but he doesn't seem to prioritize that for his final judgment - he's strictly interested in telling us what the best is, regardless of price. In other words, he caters to the interests of enthusiasts (who tend to buy things regardless of price, and are the main demographic of this site).
Measuring based on strictly numbers like core/thread count or frequency are unreliable and alone don't mean very much, as products like Bulldozer or Pentium 4 have proven. Since Ryzen's IPC is so similar to Coffee Lake, the huge frequency difference alone in the 8700K vs the 1600X doesn't make them directly comparable. If the 1600X could reach the same speeds as the 8700K, it would be a better comparison, but the price difference would still be an issue.
I'm not upset that the 1600X was the main comparison, because it was still very interesting to look at. I'm just saying the 1700X makes for a more accurate comparison. It's not really a big deal to me. I'm merely posting this for clarification.
You can compare a CPU two ways: price, or core count. HH chose core count, it's not wrong and is very informative. Before making a purchase decision though, I'll look at a price comparison first.
I disagree. The best ways to directly compare CPUs can be any of the following:
* Overall performance-per-watt
* Overall performance-per-
* Specifically single-threaded and multi-threaded variations of the first 2
Note this is when just comparing two CPUs; this isn't how you determine whether a CPU is the best fit for a job or the best value. Knowing Hilbert, he doesn't judge products based on price, but their overall capability, which is perfectly fine. He does point out value, but he doesn't seem to prioritize that for his final judgment - he's strictly interested in telling us what the best is, regardless of price. In other words, he caters to the interests of enthusiasts (who tend to buy things regardless of price, and are the main demographic of this site).
Measuring based on strictly numbers like core/thread count or frequency are unreliable and alone don't mean very much, as products like Bulldozer or Pentium 4 have proven. Since Ryzen's IPC is so similar to Coffee Lake, the huge frequency difference alone in the 8700K vs the 1600X doesn't make them directly comparable. If the 1600X could reach the same speeds as the 8700K, it would be a better comparison, but the price difference would still be an issue.
I'm not upset that the 1600X was the main comparison, because it was still very interesting to look at. I'm just saying the 1700X makes for a more accurate comparison. It's not really a big deal to me. I'm merely posting this for clarification.
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#5478748 Posted on: 10/05/2017 04:11 PM
Newegg has it listed for $379.99 and backordered. That is too much. 8600k is listed at $249.99 that is more reasonable.
Newegg has it listed for $379.99 and backordered. That is too much. 8600k is listed at $249.99 that is more reasonable.
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#5478754 Posted on: 10/05/2017 04:33 PM
Thanks for the review, Hilbert, good as always.
I'm concerned about this. I'd still go for a Ryzen CPU - better perf at lower cost. There has been no improvement in performance (IPC) from intel, and having to get a new mobo with this to boot is blatant profiteering. They're STILL nerfing performance by using inferior TIM rather than solder, which is going to kill overclocking. I'm waiting on AMD for their new APUs, really interested to see what Raven Ridge can bring to the table.
Thanks for the review, Hilbert, good as always.
I'm concerned about this. I'd still go for a Ryzen CPU - better perf at lower cost. There has been no improvement in performance (IPC) from intel, and having to get a new mobo with this to boot is blatant profiteering. They're STILL nerfing performance by using inferior TIM rather than solder, which is going to kill overclocking. I'm waiting on AMD for their new APUs, really interested to see what Raven Ridge can bring to the table.
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In Portugal people are reporting reservations only and at 405.90€. No stock has arrived yet.