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#5481905 Posted on: 10/15/2017 02:29 PM
Not like there is IPC difference between Sandy and Sandy. So, his situation is same with exception of games which already benefit from HT.
OC often can catch to stock Ryzen. In one of cases even getting better. But that's purely based on game selection as one could just take another 10 games where i7-2600k would hold no candle to Ryzen or 10 where it would win.
To have it done properly, one would need to put it into context of engine and year build of given engine got release.
Thanks for that info, looks like OC'd 2600K is about as good for gaming as OC'd AMD 1700 - still going very well for an old CPU!
Not like there is IPC difference between Sandy and Sandy. So, his situation is same with exception of games which already benefit from HT.
OC often can catch to stock Ryzen. In one of cases even getting better. But that's purely based on game selection as one could just take another 10 games where i7-2600k would hold no candle to Ryzen or 10 where it would win.
To have it done properly, one would need to put it into context of engine and year build of given engine got release.
Thanks for that info, looks like OC'd 2600K is about as good for gaming as OC'd AMD 1700 - still going very well for an old CPU!
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#5481918 Posted on: 10/15/2017 03:42 PM
I mean no personal offence to anyone but seriously, this "future proofing" topic is ill approached since the beginning and quite stupid.
The only way to "future proof" is to get the best bang for you buck on an upgradeable platform. To save say 100/150 now and use that to update earlier, reusing as much stuff as possible.
Price/performance is not linear, not even close. So for example, while buying a top end 1080 would get us an "usable" (assuming some heavy gaming) system for say.. 4 years??, we could get the same from 2 cheaper cards every 2 years. (We are talking about future proofing on a budget, if money isn't an issue then upgrading early isn't either)
Maybe it made some sense a couple years ago when cpus upgraded only less than 10% total performance from year to year and we were forced to change mb too, but it certainly doesn't now since Ryzen happened, some node upgrades on both sides are really close and AM4 will last at least until Ryzen2.
I mean no personal offence to anyone but seriously, this "future proofing" topic is ill approached since the beginning and quite stupid.
The only way to "future proof" is to get the best bang for you buck on an upgradeable platform. To save say 100/150 now and use that to update earlier, reusing as much stuff as possible.
Price/performance is not linear, not even close. So for example, while buying a top end 1080 would get us an "usable" (assuming some heavy gaming) system for say.. 4 years??, we could get the same from 2 cheaper cards every 2 years. (We are talking about future proofing on a budget, if money isn't an issue then upgrading early isn't either)
Maybe it made some sense a couple years ago when cpus upgraded only less than 10% total performance from year to year and we were forced to change mb too, but it certainly doesn't now since Ryzen happened, some node upgrades on both sides are really close and AM4 will last at least until Ryzen2.
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#5481920 Posted on: 10/15/2017 04:07 PM
You won't see games effectively using more than 4-6 cores/threads for years.
Key word here is effectively.
There are games that can use more than 8threads but they do not get a performance boost over a fast 6 core.
6 core will be the perfect medium for gaming for years.
The first ones are now available. Many more have already been announced. The main target of game developers are consoles. The only way to achieve performance for new 4K consoles (many weak cores) is to fully utilize multi-threading. By programming for 7 threads there is no reason not to go further and provide full scalability.
Last year, Anandtech wrote that no game is scaling over the 4 threads, and that buying a processor with a large number of cores (for gaming) does not make sense. What is the value now their tests and predictions ? Your predictions of the future do not convince me. Probably your crystal ball is faulty
You won't see games effectively using more than 4-6 cores/threads for years.
Key word here is effectively.
There are games that can use more than 8threads but they do not get a performance boost over a fast 6 core.
6 core will be the perfect medium for gaming for years.
The first ones are now available. Many more have already been announced. The main target of game developers are consoles. The only way to achieve performance for new 4K consoles (many weak cores) is to fully utilize multi-threading. By programming for 7 threads there is no reason not to go further and provide full scalability.
Last year, Anandtech wrote that no game is scaling over the 4 threads, and that buying a processor with a large number of cores (for gaming) does not make sense. What is the value now their tests and predictions ? Your predictions of the future do not convince me. Probably your crystal ball is faulty
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#5481923 Posted on: 10/15/2017 04:19 PM
Yeah, I've always found "future proofing" to be a bit iffy. Essentially, we are making giant assumptions about how the future will pan out and planning our purchases based on those assumptions. Certainly, the focus of Coffee Lake is to add more cores but that doesn't mean game developers will follow through anytime soon (I think Agent is right in that it will probably take several years for games to make effective use of six cores).
IMO, you should buy CPUs mostly based on what you need right now. Coffee Lake is for those who want fast single-core performance, but who also have an immediate need for more cores (e.g., streaming, light productivity, heavy multi-tasking, etc). Buying Coffee Lake even though you don't need the extra cores will likely mean that those extra cores will go underutilized for months (if not years), and by the time games go multi-core there will be faster/better options available (i.e., Ice Lake, Zen 2).
I mean no personal offence to anyone but seriously, this "future proofing" topic is ill approached since the beginning and quite stupid.
Yeah, I've always found "future proofing" to be a bit iffy. Essentially, we are making giant assumptions about how the future will pan out and planning our purchases based on those assumptions. Certainly, the focus of Coffee Lake is to add more cores but that doesn't mean game developers will follow through anytime soon (I think Agent is right in that it will probably take several years for games to make effective use of six cores).
IMO, you should buy CPUs mostly based on what you need right now. Coffee Lake is for those who want fast single-core performance, but who also have an immediate need for more cores (e.g., streaming, light productivity, heavy multi-tasking, etc). Buying Coffee Lake even though you don't need the extra cores will likely mean that those extra cores will go underutilized for months (if not years), and by the time games go multi-core there will be faster/better options available (i.e., Ice Lake, Zen 2).
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@Fox2232 there is a difference in cache though as 2600k has more than 2500k plus the 4 more logical threads. 2500k was a great CPU but got left behind. 2600k is still going strong however. I am not sure about BF1 as I don’t own it. All the games I’ve played recently have not really been an issue except the two Forza games but those had issues no matter the number of threads.