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#5815972 Posted on: 08/07/2020 07:56 PM
Nice. But seriously, you should test https://www.arctic.ac/en/Freezer-34-eSports/ACFRE00059A
sponsored or not, test it and keep it in the table to troll overpriced coolers.
That chart they give showing "average" CPU temp seems pretty useless. I'd bet my Canadian rupees that, under sustained 100% load, something that small isn't in the same category as the NH-D15.
For it's size/price it's probably good, I just can't stand all the misleading advertisement everywhere. Most people probably don't even realize temp % differences often shown are useless. Being measured as a % of each other can't give you any idea of how it scales.
Nice. But seriously, you should test https://www.arctic.ac/en/Freezer-34-eSports/ACFRE00059A
sponsored or not, test it and keep it in the table to troll overpriced coolers.
That chart they give showing "average" CPU temp seems pretty useless. I'd bet my Canadian rupees that, under sustained 100% load, something that small isn't in the same category as the NH-D15.
For it's size/price it's probably good, I just can't stand all the misleading advertisement everywhere. Most people probably don't even realize temp % differences often shown are useless. Being measured as a % of each other can't give you any idea of how it scales.
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#5815989 Posted on: 08/07/2020 08:39 PM
That chart they give showing "average" CPU temp seems pretty useless. I'd bet my Canadian rupees that, under sustained 100% load, something that small isn't in the same category as the NH-D15.
For it's size/price it's probably good, I just can't stand all the misleading advertisement everywhere. Most people probably don't even realize temp % differences often shown are useless. Being measured as a % of each other can't give you any idea of how it scales.
Overpriced stuff and the hype generated around them by the gamers community without talking much about the price is not really better. The NH-D15 is 130$ in Canada. This is crazy ridiculous for a air cooler. Is it great? Yes it is. It's pretty close to AIO collers which is incredible for a air cooler. It's also pretty close in price though which is far less incredible. Under normal usage (not 100% load all the time) is it really 2-3 times better than other air coolers?
I bought a Cryorig H5 3 years ago for like 35-40% of the price of a NH-D15. I did not even remotely consider the NH-D15. I mean close to 10% of the price of my build on a air cooler ... like really? Is the H5 as good as the NH-D15? No it's not. But under normal usage with a mild overclocking my cpu will be maybe 2-3 celcius higher while gaming. I can certainly live with that to spend 80$ CAD more on my gpu. I mean if i would be serious about overclocking i would probably build a custom loop anyway.
At one point we got to talk about the price. Everyone and their mom recommend Seasonic, Corsair, Noctua, ... to about everyone on forums including Joe Blow from Azerbaijan who is building his first PC. The price of the products by those companies really is often totally ridiculous. As good as their products are they are not 2-3 times better than the competition. I owned an Arctic cooler in the past for a Core i5 750 running at 3.6Ghz (sold it to family after reapplying thermal paste and it's still running to this day with the same cooler) and i've been 100% satisfied. Is it great? nope. Should you buy one if you plan to overclock to the max? nope. Is it good enough for most people out there for like 30% of the price of Noctua? Yup it really is.
That chart they give showing "average" CPU temp seems pretty useless. I'd bet my Canadian rupees that, under sustained 100% load, something that small isn't in the same category as the NH-D15.
For it's size/price it's probably good, I just can't stand all the misleading advertisement everywhere. Most people probably don't even realize temp % differences often shown are useless. Being measured as a % of each other can't give you any idea of how it scales.
Overpriced stuff and the hype generated around them by the gamers community without talking much about the price is not really better. The NH-D15 is 130$ in Canada. This is crazy ridiculous for a air cooler. Is it great? Yes it is. It's pretty close to AIO collers which is incredible for a air cooler. It's also pretty close in price though which is far less incredible. Under normal usage (not 100% load all the time) is it really 2-3 times better than other air coolers?
I bought a Cryorig H5 3 years ago for like 35-40% of the price of a NH-D15. I did not even remotely consider the NH-D15. I mean close to 10% of the price of my build on a air cooler ... like really? Is the H5 as good as the NH-D15? No it's not. But under normal usage with a mild overclocking my cpu will be maybe 2-3 celcius higher while gaming. I can certainly live with that to spend 80$ CAD more on my gpu. I mean if i would be serious about overclocking i would probably build a custom loop anyway.
At one point we got to talk about the price. Everyone and their mom recommend Seasonic, Corsair, Noctua, ... to about everyone on forums including Joe Blow from Azerbaijan who is building his first PC. The price of the products by those companies really is often totally ridiculous. As good as their products are they are not 2-3 times better than the competition. I owned an Arctic cooler in the past for a Core i5 750 running at 3.6Ghz (sold it to family after reapplying thermal paste and it's still running to this day with the same cooler) and i've been 100% satisfied. Is it great? nope. Should you buy one if you plan to overclock to the max? nope. Is it good enough for most people out there for like 30% of the price of Noctua? Yup it really is.
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#5816035 Posted on: 08/07/2020 11:09 PM
TL;DR - Agreed. My butt hurts from the current PC part prices. I hope Jensen steps on a lego.
The trends of the enthusiast PC market haven't eluded me. I'm not sure if the prices are extra nuts mostly due to the pandemic, or if it would have happened either way. I got my AM4 NH-D15 for either $100 or $110 CAD (I think two years ago?) and even that seemed a bit much for two fans (which the model of has been around for a long time) and a slab of aluminum.
The problem is the people that pay the high prices, companies always push as high as they can so long as there is demand. All the prices may be going nuts but I'm most worried about GPUs. And in the case of nVidia I'm convinced, even taking long term into account, they lost profit by being such ultra assholes with the 2K series price gouging. AMD for the past eternity have been just playing along with whatever price trend nVidia sets. Hmmm, what a coincidence. There has been no real competition in that segment even when AMD had products. And (supposedly) thanks to Murthy of Intel we can forget about any fantasy of Intel entering the GPU market.
I'm betting on prices as high as nVidia/AMD think they can get sales with, again. It shouldn't be insane as last time, but I nothing would surprise me at this point. I got my GTX 280 for $400 CAD on sale from $600 IIRC, many months before the GTX 285 was released and either way they both were the full blown chip... not like the BS today where what should be labeled x60 is x80. A low-mid range card is what $400 buys these days. I don't understand how that can continue considering the power of the upcoming consoles, but again, I wouldn't be surprised if the insanity goes on anyway.
If even a small fraction of people, who don't show restraint now, didn't just buy whatever regardless of price, the market would be very different. I said it before and I'll say it again, I'm not going to get fucked in the ass by nVidia (or AMD if they actually have a product on shelves for once). If the prices are insane I'll just deal with low frame rates/play older games/whatever else, but I won't add to the problem. I won't get an upgrade unless I get a good deal (or in the off chance there are sane prices), and I haven't seen an actual sale on mid-high end cards in years, so I probably won't get an upgrade.
Back to the topic of cooler prices; even the "good deals" like the often bought Hyper 212 Evo aren't good deals anymore. That shit used to be $20, now it's $45 even on Amazon. With the way prices on those things are, if I was building a new rig, I'd say fuck it and just buy an AIO over $100 and just get better performance. Even that dinky 1 fan Arctic cooler mentioned, I can't find that model any lower than $66. At that point you should consider what you actually need, and use the stock cooler, or straight to a 360mm AIO, IMO.
At one point we got to talk about the price.
TL;DR - Agreed. My butt hurts from the current PC part prices. I hope Jensen steps on a lego.
The trends of the enthusiast PC market haven't eluded me. I'm not sure if the prices are extra nuts mostly due to the pandemic, or if it would have happened either way. I got my AM4 NH-D15 for either $100 or $110 CAD (I think two years ago?) and even that seemed a bit much for two fans (which the model of has been around for a long time) and a slab of aluminum.
The problem is the people that pay the high prices, companies always push as high as they can so long as there is demand. All the prices may be going nuts but I'm most worried about GPUs. And in the case of nVidia I'm convinced, even taking long term into account, they lost profit by being such ultra assholes with the 2K series price gouging. AMD for the past eternity have been just playing along with whatever price trend nVidia sets. Hmmm, what a coincidence. There has been no real competition in that segment even when AMD had products. And (supposedly) thanks to Murthy of Intel we can forget about any fantasy of Intel entering the GPU market.
I'm betting on prices as high as nVidia/AMD think they can get sales with, again. It shouldn't be insane as last time, but I nothing would surprise me at this point. I got my GTX 280 for $400 CAD on sale from $600 IIRC, many months before the GTX 285 was released and either way they both were the full blown chip... not like the BS today where what should be labeled x60 is x80. A low-mid range card is what $400 buys these days. I don't understand how that can continue considering the power of the upcoming consoles, but again, I wouldn't be surprised if the insanity goes on anyway.
If even a small fraction of people, who don't show restraint now, didn't just buy whatever regardless of price, the market would be very different. I said it before and I'll say it again, I'm not going to get fucked in the ass by nVidia (or AMD if they actually have a product on shelves for once). If the prices are insane I'll just deal with low frame rates/play older games/whatever else, but I won't add to the problem. I won't get an upgrade unless I get a good deal (or in the off chance there are sane prices), and I haven't seen an actual sale on mid-high end cards in years, so I probably won't get an upgrade.
Back to the topic of cooler prices; even the "good deals" like the often bought Hyper 212 Evo aren't good deals anymore. That shit used to be $20, now it's $45 even on Amazon. With the way prices on those things are, if I was building a new rig, I'd say fuck it and just buy an AIO over $100 and just get better performance. Even that dinky 1 fan Arctic cooler mentioned, I can't find that model any lower than $66. At that point you should consider what you actually need, and use the stock cooler, or straight to a 360mm AIO, IMO.
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#5816082 Posted on: 08/08/2020 03:37 AM
Ouch did not check the price but that Artic cooler really is 66$ CAD? Yup not worth it. They were usually around 30-35$ CAD not too long ago. Yeah if i would build a new PC now i'd probably go with an AIO cooler. Considering the price good air coolers are sold at that point might as well buy an AIO. I was lucky enough to get a good deal on my Cryorig H5 3 years ago (40$ CAD) and it's a very good air cooler for the price i paid. I'll probably keep it to go with my Ryzen 3
Back to the topic of cooler prices; even the "good deals" like the often bought Hyper 212 Evo aren't good deals anymore. That crap used to be $20, now it's $45 even on Amazon. With the way prices on those things are, if I was building a new rig, I'd say frack it and just buy an AIO over $100 and just get better performance. Even that dinky 1 fan Arctic cooler mentioned, I can't find that model any lower than $66. At that point you should consider what you actually need, and use the stock cooler, or straight to a 360mm AIO, IMO.
Ouch did not check the price but that Artic cooler really is 66$ CAD? Yup not worth it. They were usually around 30-35$ CAD not too long ago. Yeah if i would build a new PC now i'd probably go with an AIO cooler. Considering the price good air coolers are sold at that point might as well buy an AIO. I was lucky enough to get a good deal on my Cryorig H5 3 years ago (40$ CAD) and it's a very good air cooler for the price i paid. I'll probably keep it to go with my Ryzen 3
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Nice. But seriously, you should test https://www.arctic.ac/en/Freezer-34-eSports/ACFRE00059A
sponsored or not, test it and keep it in the table to troll overpriced coolers.