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#5454088 Posted on: 07/20/2017 04:05 PM
Unfortunately it doesn't seem you can even get that much out of the delid. Most people are reporting only 8-10c drops. Supposedly the glue holding the IHS down is thinner, thus the gap that was causing the majority of the heat issues on previously TIM'd Intel chips is having less of an effect. I've considered delidding my 7820x when a delidding kit comes out. I previously did my 3770K/4790K with a vice, but this chip has way to many surface mounted stuff on the top that I don't want to break. But honestly now that I've spent a few weeks tweaking it and whatnot, I don't think I will.
I'm currently running at 1.24v @ 4.8Ghz - with pretty decent scaling (I can't detect phantom throttling). I get about a max of ~65c in normal FFT P95 workload, goes to about ~82c with SmallFFT, which would be a little high for my tastes, but I've literally never, ever seen the processor go past 60c in any single game/general workload including a loop of the combined test in 3DMark Firestrike. The only time it goes to even 65-70c is when I render a video, which is is extremely rare and 70c doesn't bother me at all.
I think the 7900x with the two extra cores and double FMA output just doesn't have the thermal headroom for decent clocks. Having to run the chip at 1.3 to even hit 4.6 seems like a lot considering what I get on my 7820.
The platform is definitely a mess and not to toot my own horn, but I think the only chip worth considering is the 7820x. Recent reviews of the 7800x show really wonky gaming performance compared to the 7820/7900 - the 7900 is priced too high for the difference in performance and the kabylake x chips just don't make sense on the platform. The 7820x seems to thread the needle on the issues - but most people should probably opt for AMD's significantly cheaper 1700x, which gives 85-90% of the performance of the 7820x for nearly half the price.
Yeah you may shave 20°C with a delid but these i9 are cooking surfaces not CPU's.
Unfortunately it doesn't seem you can even get that much out of the delid. Most people are reporting only 8-10c drops. Supposedly the glue holding the IHS down is thinner, thus the gap that was causing the majority of the heat issues on previously TIM'd Intel chips is having less of an effect. I've considered delidding my 7820x when a delidding kit comes out. I previously did my 3770K/4790K with a vice, but this chip has way to many surface mounted stuff on the top that I don't want to break. But honestly now that I've spent a few weeks tweaking it and whatnot, I don't think I will.
I'm currently running at 1.24v @ 4.8Ghz - with pretty decent scaling (I can't detect phantom throttling). I get about a max of ~65c in normal FFT P95 workload, goes to about ~82c with SmallFFT, which would be a little high for my tastes, but I've literally never, ever seen the processor go past 60c in any single game/general workload including a loop of the combined test in 3DMark Firestrike. The only time it goes to even 65-70c is when I render a video, which is is extremely rare and 70c doesn't bother me at all.
I think the 7900x with the two extra cores and double FMA output just doesn't have the thermal headroom for decent clocks. Having to run the chip at 1.3 to even hit 4.6 seems like a lot considering what I get on my 7820.
The platform is definitely a mess and not to toot my own horn, but I think the only chip worth considering is the 7820x. Recent reviews of the 7800x show really wonky gaming performance compared to the 7820/7900 - the 7900 is priced too high for the difference in performance and the kabylake x chips just don't make sense on the platform. The 7820x seems to thread the needle on the issues - but most people should probably opt for AMD's significantly cheaper 1700x, which gives 85-90% of the performance of the 7820x for nearly half the price.
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#5454543 Posted on: 07/22/2017 02:56 PM
Is this going to be the end of the LGA 1151 motherboards and CPU's? Or are they going to be around a few more years?
Is this going to be the end of the LGA 1151 motherboards and CPU's? Or are they going to be around a few more years?
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#5454551 Posted on: 07/22/2017 03:22 PM
Unfortunately it doesn't seem you can even get that much out of the delid. Most people are reporting only 8-10c drops. Supposedly the glue holding the IHS down is thinner, thus the gap that was causing the majority of the heat issues on previously TIM'd Intel chips is having less of an effect. I've considered delidding my 7820x when a delidding kit comes out. I previously did my 3770K/4790K with a vice, but this chip has way to many surface mounted stuff on the top that I don't want to break. But honestly now that I've spent a few weeks tweaking it and whatnot, I don't think I will.
I'm currently running at 1.24v @ 4.8Ghz - with pretty decent scaling (I can't detect phantom throttling). I get about a max of ~65c in normal FFT P95 workload, goes to about ~82c with SmallFFT, which would be a little high for my tastes, but I've literally never, ever seen the processor go past 60c in any single game/general workload including a loop of the combined test in 3DMark Firestrike. The only time it goes to even 65-70c is when I render a video, which is is extremely rare and 70c doesn't bother me at all.
I think the 7900x with the two extra cores and double FMA output just doesn't have the thermal headroom for decent clocks. Having to run the chip at 1.3 to even hit 4.6 seems like a lot considering what I get on my 7820.
The platform is definitely a mess and not to toot my own horn, but I think the only chip worth considering is the 7820x. Recent reviews of the 7800x show really wonky gaming performance compared to the 7820/7900 - the 7900 is priced too high for the difference in performance and the kabylake x chips just don't make sense on the platform. The 7820x seems to thread the needle on the issues - but most people should probably opt for AMD's significantly cheaper 1700x, which gives 85-90% of the performance of the 7820x for nearly half the price.
Yup the 7820x seems like the best value out of 299 platform. I saw review with 1600 and 7800x. It was pretty much dead even Ryzen winning some and that 7800x winning some even when oc'd. And that was pretty much 300-400$ less. I linked it at the ryzen platform thread on the forums.
Unfortunately it doesn't seem you can even get that much out of the delid. Most people are reporting only 8-10c drops. Supposedly the glue holding the IHS down is thinner, thus the gap that was causing the majority of the heat issues on previously TIM'd Intel chips is having less of an effect. I've considered delidding my 7820x when a delidding kit comes out. I previously did my 3770K/4790K with a vice, but this chip has way to many surface mounted stuff on the top that I don't want to break. But honestly now that I've spent a few weeks tweaking it and whatnot, I don't think I will.
I'm currently running at 1.24v @ 4.8Ghz - with pretty decent scaling (I can't detect phantom throttling). I get about a max of ~65c in normal FFT P95 workload, goes to about ~82c with SmallFFT, which would be a little high for my tastes, but I've literally never, ever seen the processor go past 60c in any single game/general workload including a loop of the combined test in 3DMark Firestrike. The only time it goes to even 65-70c is when I render a video, which is is extremely rare and 70c doesn't bother me at all.
I think the 7900x with the two extra cores and double FMA output just doesn't have the thermal headroom for decent clocks. Having to run the chip at 1.3 to even hit 4.6 seems like a lot considering what I get on my 7820.
The platform is definitely a mess and not to toot my own horn, but I think the only chip worth considering is the 7820x. Recent reviews of the 7800x show really wonky gaming performance compared to the 7820/7900 - the 7900 is priced too high for the difference in performance and the kabylake x chips just don't make sense on the platform. The 7820x seems to thread the needle on the issues - but most people should probably opt for AMD's significantly cheaper 1700x, which gives 85-90% of the performance of the 7820x for nearly half the price.
Yup the 7820x seems like the best value out of 299 platform. I saw review with 1600 and 7800x. It was pretty much dead even Ryzen winning some and that 7800x winning some even when oc'd. And that was pretty much 300-400$ less. I linked it at the ryzen platform thread on the forums.
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This is a very nice board but the price is stupid, 350€ for an entry level MB?...
Hilbert, have you thought about undervolting the 7900X??? I think it could be beneficial, not only in terms of temps and power usage but also it could increase (slightly) performance because the CPU could boost more frequently and would decrease the risk of throttling during continued usage.
About the CPU, there seems to be something wrong with it because the thermals are horrible and i´m surprised to see Intel release chips in this conditions after an huge investment they have made in past years in making CPUs more efficient and less power hungry. Makes me wonder if X299 CPUs are simply failed server parts destined for the garbage bin...
Great review!