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#5633682 Posted on: 01/31/2019 09:35 AM
I see something wr
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/asus-geforce-rtx-2060-strix-oc-review,31.html
First, we can
I see something wr
ong on The GPU Shoot Out page :
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/asus-geforce-rtx-2060-strix-oc-review,31.html
First, we can
see two RTX 2060 STRIX OC (one at 7836 pts and one at 7961 pts, normal vs OC ??)
And i think it is a RTX 2080 ASUS Dual and not a RTX 2080 Ti ASUS Dual
And i think it is a RTX 2080 ASUS Dual and not a RTX 2080 Ti ASUS Dual
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#5633760 Posted on: 01/31/2019 02:40 PM
It's okay now, thanks
It's okay now, thanks
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#5634014 Posted on: 02/01/2019 08:55 AM
@Hilbert Hagedoorn
Sir, one thing is itching me for a long time. A stock clock for gtx 980ti isnt doing any justice here . 1300-1400mhz factory oced 980ti cards were very common . Even 1500mhz is pretty much doable for most of them .
Will it be too much to ask to include a moderately factory oced 980ti like msi lightning or zotac amp extrme one ? what do u say, Boss?
@Hilbert Hagedoorn
Sir, one thing is itching me for a long time. A stock clock for gtx 980ti isnt doing any justice here . 1300-1400mhz factory oced 980ti cards were very common . Even 1500mhz is pretty much doable for most of them .
Will it be too much to ask to include a moderately factory oced 980ti like msi lightning or zotac amp extrme one ? what do u say, Boss?
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#5634041 Posted on: 02/01/2019 10:27 AM
@Hilbert Hagedoorn
Sir, one thing is itching me for a long time. A stock clock for gtx 980ti isnt doing any justice here . 1300-1400mhz factory oced 980ti cards were very common . Even 1500mhz is pretty much doable for most of them .
Will it be too much to ask to include a moderately factory oced 980ti like msi lightning or zotac amp extrme one ? what do u say, Boss?
All cards listed in the reviews are reference clocked aside from the actual AIB card we include in the test results, that is and should be the primary comparative. That is the baseline we present for you to compare to. It would be an incredibly confusing flurry of results if we did AIB results solely. Another problem with that is when we do that, AIB partners will ONLY submit their fastest clocked SKUs to media. That would create a really weird dynamic. Most people buy a more affordable card and then tweak themselves to save money.
However, what you are asking we've addressed already at least in one segment of the reviews, the GPU shootout. It contains all results from all cards we tested.
@Hilbert Hagedoorn
Sir, one thing is itching me for a long time. A stock clock for gtx 980ti isnt doing any justice here . 1300-1400mhz factory oced 980ti cards were very common . Even 1500mhz is pretty much doable for most of them .
Will it be too much to ask to include a moderately factory oced 980ti like msi lightning or zotac amp extrme one ? what do u say, Boss?
All cards listed in the reviews are reference clocked aside from the actual AIB card we include in the test results, that is and should be the primary comparative. That is the baseline we present for you to compare to. It would be an incredibly confusing flurry of results if we did AIB results solely. Another problem with that is when we do that, AIB partners will ONLY submit their fastest clocked SKUs to media. That would create a really weird dynamic. Most people buy a more affordable card and then tweak themselves to save money.
However, what you are asking we've addressed already at least in one segment of the reviews, the GPU shootout. It contains all results from all cards we tested.
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#5634094 Posted on: 02/01/2019 01:01 PM
All cards listed in the reviews are reference clocked aside from the actual AIB card we include in the test results, that is and should be the primary comparative. That is the baseline we present for you to compare to. It would be an incredibly confusing flurry of results if we did AIB results solely. Another problem with that is when we do that, AIB partners will ONLY submit their fastest clocked SKUs to media. That would create a really weird dynamic. Most people buy a more affordable card and then tweak themselves to save money.
However, what you are asking we've addressed already at least in one segment of the reviews, the GPU shootout. It contains all results from all cards we tested.
Boss, that gpu shootout is a really helpful idea, where one can compare his gpu easily. But there isn't any 980ti i could find
All cards listed in the reviews are reference clocked aside from the actual AIB card we include in the test results, that is and should be the primary comparative. That is the baseline we present for you to compare to. It would be an incredibly confusing flurry of results if we did AIB results solely. Another problem with that is when we do that, AIB partners will ONLY submit their fastest clocked SKUs to media. That would create a really weird dynamic. Most people buy a more affordable card and then tweak themselves to save money.
However, what you are asking we've addressed already at least in one segment of the reviews, the GPU shootout. It contains all results from all cards we tested.
Boss, that gpu shootout is a really helpful idea, where one can compare his gpu easily. But there isn't any 980ti i could find
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#5634100 Posted on: 02/01/2019 01:21 PM
WTH. All benchmarks include 980ti, always. All pages. Stop it here, please. And no HH should never include an oc'ed version of any gpu. Because in terms of fairness, he should overclock all gpus in the list. That's impossible and two times the effort for him. His reviews are absolute complete.
Boss, that gpu shootout is a really helpful idea, where one can compare his gpu easily. But there isn't any 980ti i could find
WTH. All benchmarks include 980ti, always. All pages. Stop it here, please. And no HH should never include an oc'ed version of any gpu. Because in terms of fairness, he should overclock all gpus in the list. That's impossible and two times the effort for him. His reviews are absolute complete.
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#5634126 Posted on: 02/01/2019 02:35 PM
Oh why people get triggered so easily these days. Did u look at every page before jumping into my post with this conclusion.?
Here>
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/asus-geforce-rtx-2060-strix-oc-review,31.html
.
Where did i question the fairness of HH's benchmarks? I take all HH's benches for granted. He proved his and his site's neutrality long time ago . But, that's not the point .
I was just trying making a point here.
.
About oc'ed result being used in the benchmarks, well ,that's ur way of looking at it. But, try to look differently.. will ya?
An rx580 can barely be overlocked 100mhz ~ 150mhz more from the freference stock on the core , having 10% oc headroom at best.
On the otherhand, Gtx 980ti cards in general can be overclocked upto 23 to 25% on the core pretty easily. So, what do u think mate?
WTH. All benchmarks include 980ti, always. All pages. Stop it here, please. And no HH should never include an oc'ed version of any gpu. Because in terms of fairness, he should overclock all gpus in the list. That's impossible and two times the effort for him. His reviews are absolute complete.
Oh why people get triggered so easily these days. Did u look at every page before jumping into my post with this conclusion.?
Here>
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/asus-geforce-rtx-2060-strix-oc-review,31.html
.
Where did i question the fairness of HH's benchmarks? I take all HH's benches for granted. He proved his and his site's neutrality long time ago . But, that's not the point .
I was just trying making a point here.
.
About oc'ed result being used in the benchmarks, well ,that's ur way of looking at it. But, try to look differently.. will ya?
An rx580 can barely be overlocked 100mhz ~ 150mhz more from the freference stock on the core , having 10% oc headroom at best.
On the otherhand, Gtx 980ti cards in general can be overclocked upto 23 to 25% on the core pretty easily. So, what do u think mate?
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#5634134 Posted on: 02/01/2019 02:54 PM
Anyway, @Hilbert Hagedoorn, I believe reviewers and particularly Guru3d as I care about the best, you should place a time limit in products aging.
I do not find any reason for R9 series, including 3XX and Fury, but also GTX 9 series or earlier to be included anymore. 3-4years time is OK I think.
Anyway, @Hilbert Hagedoorn, I believe reviewers and particularly Guru3d as I care about the best, you should place a time limit in products aging.
I do not find any reason for R9 series, including 3XX and Fury, but also GTX 9 series or earlier to be included anymore. 3-4years time is OK I think.
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#5634137 Posted on: 02/01/2019 02:55 PM
Oh why people get triggered so easily these days. Did u look at every page before jumping into my post with this conclusion.?
Here>
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/asus-geforce-rtx-2060-strix-oc-review,31.html
.
Where did i question the fairness of HH's benchmarks? I take all HH's benches for granted. He proved his and his site's neutrality long time ago . But, that's not the point .
I was just trying making a point here.
.
About oc'ed result being used in the benchmarks, well ,that's ur way of looking at it. But, try to look differently.. will ya?
An rx580 can barely be overlocked 100mhz ~ 150mhz more from the freference stock on the core , having 10% oc headroom at best.
On the otherhand, Gtx 980ti cards in general can be overclocked upto 23 to 25% on the core pretty easily. So, what do u think mate?
He is right. We all know how 980ti performs stock or overclocked. There is no need for HH to do additional work just to prove your 980ti is still relevant.
Oh why people get triggered so easily these days. Did u look at every page before jumping into my post with this conclusion.?
Here>
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/asus-geforce-rtx-2060-strix-oc-review,31.html
.
Where did i question the fairness of HH's benchmarks? I take all HH's benches for granted. He proved his and his site's neutrality long time ago . But, that's not the point .
I was just trying making a point here.
.
About oc'ed result being used in the benchmarks, well ,that's ur way of looking at it. But, try to look differently.. will ya?
An rx580 can barely be overlocked 100mhz ~ 150mhz more from the freference stock on the core , having 10% oc headroom at best.
On the otherhand, Gtx 980ti cards in general can be overclocked upto 23 to 25% on the core pretty easily. So, what do u think mate?
He is right. We all know how 980ti performs stock or overclocked. There is no need for HH to do additional work just to prove your 980ti is still relevant.
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#5634155 Posted on: 02/01/2019 03:43 PM
Anyway, @Hilbert Hagedoorn, I believe reviewers and particularly Guru3d as I care about the best, you should place a time limit in products aging.
I do not find any reason for R9 series, including 3XX and Fury, but also GTX 9 series or earlier to be included anymore. 3-4years time is OK I think.
I would think people with older cards are those most likely to upgrade and therefore are most interested in seeing how new cards compare to their old.
Anyway, @Hilbert Hagedoorn, I believe reviewers and particularly Guru3d as I care about the best, you should place a time limit in products aging.
I do not find any reason for R9 series, including 3XX and Fury, but also GTX 9 series or earlier to be included anymore. 3-4years time is OK I think.
I would think people with older cards are those most likely to upgrade and therefore are most interested in seeing how new cards compare to their old.
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#5634157 Posted on: 02/01/2019 03:47 PM
while yes, we do know how a 980ti performs there might be some games that like the 980ti more than others. I personally don't really care either way, wouldn't mind it included but on the other side, an overclocked 980ti roughly matches a 1080 so that's a good point of reference.
He is right. We all know how 980ti performs stock or overclocked. There is no need for HH to do additional work just to prove your 980ti is still relevant.
while yes, we do know how a 980ti performs there might be some games that like the 980ti more than others. I personally don't really care either way, wouldn't mind it included but on the other side, an overclocked 980ti roughly matches a 1080 so that's a good point of reference.
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#5634158 Posted on: 02/01/2019 03:47 PM
2 gens are more than enough in my humble opinion. The previous and the current one. You already know how the much older one performs in comparison to previous one. It is overloaded info. Also, 3-4 years is the maximum recommended period for a healthy upgrade without bottleneck.
I would think people with older cards are those most likely to upgrade and therefore are most interested in seeing how new cards compare to their old.
2 gens are more than enough in my humble opinion. The previous and the current one. You already know how the much older one performs in comparison to previous one. It is overloaded info. Also, 3-4 years is the maximum recommended period for a healthy upgrade without bottleneck.
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#5634159 Posted on: 02/01/2019 03:49 PM
Correct. But was just thinking about this. Most of those who bought a 980ti back in the day were clearly enthusiasts, they weren't budget cards. And those people would most likely have upgraded by now anyway. I say most, not all.
Still, I wouldn't mind to see a 980ti in that gpu shootout, it's a single run of 3dmark so why not? But it's not going to add all that much, to be honest.
I would think people with older cards are those most likely to upgrade and therefore are most interested in seeing how new cards compare to their old.
Correct. But was just thinking about this. Most of those who bought a 980ti back in the day were clearly enthusiasts, they weren't budget cards. And those people would most likely have upgraded by now anyway. I say most, not all.
Still, I wouldn't mind to see a 980ti in that gpu shootout, it's a single run of 3dmark so why not? But it's not going to add all that much, to be honest.
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#5634335 Posted on: 02/01/2019 09:14 PM
980ti not at 1080 level. Even if you clock it to 1500mhz it will be only fast as 1070ti at best.
while yes, we do know how a 980ti performs there might be some games that like the 980ti more than others. I personally don't really care either way, wouldn't mind it included but on the other side, an overclocked 980ti roughly matches a 1080 so that's a good point of reference.
980ti not at 1080 level. Even if you clock it to 1500mhz it will be only fast as 1070ti at best.
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Asus always had higher prices but this generation they gone overboard. Asus RTX lineup is a good 100-150€ more expensive than competition, and Strix 2080Ti is like 250€ higher than other brands. Asus thinks they are Apple of graphics cards, this arrogance will come back to bite them in the ass. o_O