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#5539050 Posted on: 04/19/2018 04:50 PM
Hilbert,
page 30, Conclusion
Value for money, Cents per CB chart:
You are using old EU prices for Coffee Lake (8700k = 389 euro, $420), while using current US prices for Zen+ (2700X = $329)
No, these are MSRP prices at launch in USD (unless the manufacturers did not list them, then it's the best close match).
Hilbert,
page 30, Conclusion
Value for money, Cents per CB chart:
You are using old EU prices for Coffee Lake (8700k = 389 euro, $420), while using current US prices for Zen+ (2700X = $329)
No, these are MSRP prices at launch in USD (unless the manufacturers did not list them, then it's the best close match).
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#5539051 Posted on: 04/19/2018 04:50 PM
Previously, you mentioned price in SEK. here 2700X costs 10,7% more than 1700X. And that's price which matches AMD's pricing, so shops are not milking it.
If your local price is in similar range, I would not expect it to go down any time soon.
I was thinking of getting the 2700X, but it needs to drop 50 bucks before I consider it.
Previously, you mentioned price in SEK. here 2700X costs 10,7% more than 1700X. And that's price which matches AMD's pricing, so shops are not milking it.
If your local price is in similar range, I would not expect it to go down any time soon.
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#5539053 Posted on: 04/19/2018 04:52 PM
hey Hilbert, great job per usual.
my only question is did AMD time this release with the U.S. tax returns in mind? if so....genius
do i need this? nope. both ryzen and threadripper doing fine if not great. do i want this? hell to the YES
the x470 boards look way better imo too, but i'll update my taichi and decide if MSI upped their AMD game later.
can't wait to see the 2800 at Fry's
Fry's is around the corner from AMD...literally (in Sunnyvale)
hey Hilbert, great job per usual.
my only question is did AMD time this release with the U.S. tax returns in mind? if so....genius
do i need this? nope. both ryzen and threadripper doing fine if not great. do i want this? hell to the YES
the x470 boards look way better imo too, but i'll update my taichi and decide if MSI upped their AMD game later.
can't wait to see the 2800 at Fry's
Fry's is around the corner from AMD...literally (in Sunnyvale)
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#5539055 Posted on: 04/19/2018 04:53 PM
No my question was more about if 4 DIMMS ( 8 x 4 in 2 kits of 16 ) are as good as only 2 Dimms for speed.
I was waiting a review for the new computer and i am here itchy to buy.
That is a very good question, I'll need to check that out.
No my question was more about if 4 DIMMS ( 8 x 4 in 2 kits of 16 ) are as good as only 2 Dimms for speed.
I was waiting a review for the new computer and i am here itchy to buy.
That is a very good question, I'll need to check that out.
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#5539057 Posted on: 04/19/2018 04:58 PM
Guys up to 4000mhz memory support out the gate. I think we are going to see a lot more performance come soon.
https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/X470%20Taichi/index.asp#Memory
Guys up to 4000mhz memory support out the gate. I think we are going to see a lot more performance come soon.
https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/X470%20Taichi/index.asp#Memory
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#5539062 Posted on: 04/19/2018 05:04 PM
Hilbert,
page 30, Conclusion
Value for money, Cents per CB chart:
You are using old EU prices for Coffee Lake (8700k = 389 euro, $420), while using current US prices for Zen+ (2700X = $329)
They cost almost same in retail. 8700K is a bit cheaper.
And it's reviewed with XFR enabled, so overclocked. Intel has one-click solution as well. It's just not branded or advertised.
Anyway hope to see 8-core i7 soon.
Hilbert,
page 30, Conclusion
Value for money, Cents per CB chart:
You are using old EU prices for Coffee Lake (8700k = 389 euro, $420), while using current US prices for Zen+ (2700X = $329)
They cost almost same in retail. 8700K is a bit cheaper.
And it's reviewed with XFR enabled, so overclocked. Intel has one-click solution as well. It's just not branded or advertised.
Anyway hope to see 8-core i7 soon.
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#5539068 Posted on: 04/19/2018 05:12 PM
No my question was more about if 4 DIMMS ( 8 x 4 in 2 kits of 16 ) are as good as only 2 Dimms for speed.
I was waiting a review for the new computer and i am here itchy to buy.
Okay, so I quickly checked this out for you. It's tested on the ASUS Crosshair VII Hero (review goes live tomorrow). So this was merely popping in 4 similar DIMMs (though batches differed) and enabling XMP.
XMP kicks in properly at 3200 MHz CL14 with a four DIMM (dual rank dual channel) setup. That definitely is an improvement over X370.
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No my question was more about if 4 DIMMS ( 8 x 4 in 2 kits of 16 ) are as good as only 2 Dimms for speed.
I was waiting a review for the new computer and i am here itchy to buy.
Okay, so I quickly checked this out for you. It's tested on the ASUS Crosshair VII Hero (review goes live tomorrow). So this was merely popping in 4 similar DIMMs (though batches differed) and enabling XMP.
XMP kicks in properly at 3200 MHz CL14 with a four DIMM (dual rank dual channel) setup. That definitely is an improvement over X370.
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#5539069 Posted on: 04/19/2018 05:13 PM
Id like to give GIANT props to Hilbert for this (and other) reviews. Guru 3D is a place to go for me since 90s, I even like the specific spelling style in a reviews
And the fact HH goes to forums, answers our questions and gives a reccomendations... after all those years... damn!!! Thank you! And yes, I like these CPUs .)
Id like to give GIANT props to Hilbert for this (and other) reviews. Guru 3D is a place to go for me since 90s, I even like the specific spelling style in a reviews
And the fact HH goes to forums, answers our questions and gives a reccomendations... after all those years... damn!!! Thank you! And yes, I like these CPUs .)
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#5539070 Posted on: 04/19/2018 05:15 PM
Just noticed something. The review done with the Corsair H110 LC cooler. Then the extra 100mhz OC is probably not worth it. Wonder how the stock cooler performs at default speeds. Because thats a big part of the value equation vs the 8700k since it does not come one.
So AMD went all out in maxing the clocks to get these results. OC'ing therefore may not be a worthy endeavor. Also noticed in another review (Anand) that the 2700x does better in gaming across the board vs the 8700k. Of course different selection of games, but for heavily multi-threaded games like Civ 6, the 2700x will clearly have the advantage.
Just noticed something. The review done with the Corsair H110 LC cooler. Then the extra 100mhz OC is probably not worth it. Wonder how the stock cooler performs at default speeds. Because thats a big part of the value equation vs the 8700k since it does not come one.
So AMD went all out in maxing the clocks to get these results. OC'ing therefore may not be a worthy endeavor. Also noticed in another review (Anand) that the 2700x does better in gaming across the board vs the 8700k. Of course different selection of games, but for heavily multi-threaded games like Civ 6, the 2700x will clearly have the advantage.
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#5539071 Posted on: 04/19/2018 05:16 PM
I wasn't expecting there to be this much of an overall improvement, particularly in places where latency has issues (like games). It's nice to see that AMD has been pretty consistent with their performance claims lately; back in the AM3(+) days, they cherry-picked a lot of their numbers.
I'm a bit curious to know what the performance-per-watt is like vs a similarly clocked 1800X.
I'm sure some people could reach 4.5GHz. I never got the impression Hilbert really strived for the highest OC possible, but rather focuses on what the average person is likely to achieve (and I'd say that's a more useful metric).
As for performing better than the 8700K, I wonder if the tests here are showing results before Spectre/Meltdown patches were applied.
I wasn't expecting there to be this much of an overall improvement, particularly in places where latency has issues (like games). It's nice to see that AMD has been pretty consistent with their performance claims lately; back in the AM3(+) days, they cherry-picked a lot of their numbers.
I'm a bit curious to know what the performance-per-watt is like vs a similarly clocked 1800X.
So AMD went all out in maxing the clocks to get these results. OC'ing therefore may not be a worthy endeavor. Also noticed in another review (Anand) that the 2700x does better in gaming across the board vs the 8700k. Of course different selection of games, but for heavily multi-threaded games like Civ 6, the 2700x will clearly have the advantage.
I'm sure some people could reach 4.5GHz. I never got the impression Hilbert really strived for the highest OC possible, but rather focuses on what the average person is likely to achieve (and I'd say that's a more useful metric).
As for performing better than the 8700K, I wonder if the tests here are showing results before Spectre/Meltdown patches were applied.
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#5539073 Posted on: 04/19/2018 05:21 PM
Ian Cutress from Anandtech is rerunning his benchmarks.. his numbers don't match any other reviewer and I've definitely seen other reviews mention spectre/meltdown patches. Pretty sure Ian's numbers are wrong though.. like Rocket League 2700x is 30% faster than a 8700K .. lol
Ian Cutress from Anandtech is rerunning his benchmarks.. his numbers don't match any other reviewer and I've definitely seen other reviews mention spectre/meltdown patches. Pretty sure Ian's numbers are wrong though.. like Rocket League 2700x is 30% faster than a 8700K .. lol
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#5539075 Posted on: 04/19/2018 05:24 PM
Another little performance quirk.. the power draw is significantly higher in web browsing. 95w, about 34w more than the 8700k. Something in web browsing that is hampering this chip.
Another little performance quirk.. the power draw is significantly higher in web browsing. 95w, about 34w more than the 8700k. Something in web browsing that is hampering this chip.
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#5539076 Posted on: 04/19/2018 05:26 PM
Thanks for the review, was a good read!
Well this new generation of Ryzen CPUs bring a little bit extra performance to the table in comparison to previous Ryzen, but it's not a big difference that is worthy of an upgrade from one to the other, but that was never to be expected. Intel i7 CPUs are still clearly the best CPUs to get if you're doing high refresh rate gaming at the 120/144Hz+ sector - the fact that the gaming comparison tables were showing stock Intel vs overclocked Ryzen, and Intel were still winning, you can add another 15% to the 8700K if you overclock it to 5Ghz, and then the performance differences are even larger. But, still a great time to buy a Ryzen based PC for all PC needs including gaming as long as you've got a standard 60Hz/75Hz/(maybe 100Hz) monitor.
Thanks for the review, was a good read!
Well this new generation of Ryzen CPUs bring a little bit extra performance to the table in comparison to previous Ryzen, but it's not a big difference that is worthy of an upgrade from one to the other, but that was never to be expected. Intel i7 CPUs are still clearly the best CPUs to get if you're doing high refresh rate gaming at the 120/144Hz+ sector - the fact that the gaming comparison tables were showing stock Intel vs overclocked Ryzen, and Intel were still winning, you can add another 15% to the 8700K if you overclock it to 5Ghz, and then the performance differences are even larger. But, still a great time to buy a Ryzen based PC for all PC needs including gaming as long as you've got a standard 60Hz/75Hz/(maybe 100Hz) monitor.
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#5539077 Posted on: 04/19/2018 05:26 PM
This is mine (Today i was tinkering with RAM)
For stability it is 1T with Gear Down enabled (2T is also good, but little slower in Gaming)
~1.395v with 1.137v SOC
Im waiting for 32GB 3600-4000 B-die or X-die to go with easy 3466/3600 CL14 ->
Now im on 3200 CL16-16-16-16 D-die RAM, CLDO_VDDP at 855 (this Value creates Opening for 2933-3100 RAM freq.)
Need to test some more for better OC... but no time cuz' I'm Gaming too much lol :p
This is mine (Today i was tinkering with RAM
)For stability it is 1T with Gear Down enabled (2T is also good, but little slower in Gaming)
~1.395v with 1.137v SOC
Im waiting for 32GB 3600-4000 B-die or X-die to go with easy 3466/3600 CL14 ->
Now im on 3200 CL16-16-16-16 D-die RAM, CLDO_VDDP at 855 (this Value creates Opening for 2933-3100 RAM freq.)
Need to test some more for better OC... but no time cuz' I'm Gaming too much lol :p
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hey Hilbert, great job per usual.
my only question is did AMD time this release with the U.S. tax returns in mind? if so....genius
do i need this? nope. both ryzen and threadripper doing fine if not great. do i want this? hell to the YES
the x470 boards look way better imo too, but i'll update my taichi and decide if MSI upped their AMD game later.
can't wait to see the 2800 at Fry's