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Review: AMD Ryzen 7 2700 processor (65W)
Let's check the non-X. This eight-core processor is 30 bucks cheaper compared to the 2700X model. The essence, heck even the hardware is the same, however, the 2700 is clocked substantially lower and the X models are better binned and has better default clock frequencies. If you are willing to tweak a bit yourself, you can save cash and retrieve the very same performance. The Ryzen 7 2700 has eight-cores and sixteen threads priced pretty at just 299 USD.
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Review: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 - That Funky 199 USD One - 05/01/2018 02:01 PM
We look at that non-X model Ryzen 5 2600. The 'regular' six-core proc is a few tenners cheaper compared to the 2600X, but really, it's the same stuff. It's just that the X is better binned and has...
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#5543456 Posted on: 05/03/2018 11:58 AM
Ok Hilbert
Will keep my Ryzen 1700 for a bit, silence wise
Ok Hilbert
Will keep my Ryzen 1700 for a bit, silence wise
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#5543478 Posted on: 05/03/2018 01:03 PM
Kind of figured this was going to be the case, but looks like I won't be ryzen to the 2xxx series, and I'll be keeping my 1700 a little longer!
Kind of figured this was going to be the case, but looks like I won't be ryzen to the 2xxx series, and I'll be keeping my 1700 a little longer!
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#5543482 Posted on: 05/03/2018 01:13 PM
Thanks for the review! So... It makes a little bit more sense performance wise the X series this time around. Then again, the original 30 bucks difference gets even bigger around the globe, so it's up to how much the retailers around here will overcharge for each version... Will have to wait ram prices drop a bit before buying either though
Thanks for the review! So... It makes a little bit more sense performance wise the X series this time around. Then again, the original 30 bucks difference gets even bigger around the globe, so it's up to how much the retailers around here will overcharge for each version... Will have to wait ram prices drop a bit before buying either though
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#5543490 Posted on: 05/03/2018 01:30 PM
Thanx again for yet another good review. Nice performance overall for the money. I would like to see if you can squeeze another 100Mhz out with a proper LCS cooler.
Thanx again for yet another good review. Nice performance overall for the money. I would like to see if you can squeeze another 100Mhz out with a proper LCS cooler.
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#5543491 Posted on: 05/03/2018 01:34 PM
I could see this being appealing for certain ITX builds or those few laptops that support socket AM4 - the improvement in performance-per-watt makes a good difference. Unlike the 2600, I think this is worth getting (vs the 2700X) for overclockers.
I could see this being appealing for certain ITX builds or those few laptops that support socket AM4 - the improvement in performance-per-watt makes a good difference. Unlike the 2600, I think this is worth getting (vs the 2700X) for overclockers.
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#5543510 Posted on: 05/03/2018 02:20 PM
I just returned my 2700x it was impossible to keep cooled i tried with NZXT X62 and it was running at 45-60 at idle even with the fans at full blast, i tried reapplying the thermal paste 3 times with no luck and on top of that it caused a larger amount of BSOD than i have eve er seen on windows 10.
I just returned my 2700x it was impossible to keep cooled i tried with NZXT X62 and it was running at 45-60 at idle even with the fans at full blast, i tried reapplying the thermal paste 3 times with no luck and on top of that it caused a larger amount of BSOD than i have eve er seen on windows 10.
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#5543512 Posted on: 05/03/2018 02:23 PM
For real? That is nearly impossible unless you mounted it incorrectly. What did you use to check temps?
I just returned my 2700x it was impossible to keep cooled i tried with NZXT X62
For real? That is nearly impossible unless you mounted it incorrectly. What did you use to check temps?
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#5543515 Posted on: 05/03/2018 02:35 PM
I used HWinfo64, Ryzen master and it wasnt mounted wrong been doing this for 20+ and i even tried with my X61 just to double check if there was something wrong with my X62. This was with everything on stock settings.
For real? That is nearly impossible unless you mounted it incorrectly. What did you use to check temps?
I used HWinfo64, Ryzen master and it wasnt mounted wrong been doing this for 20+ and i even tried with my X61 just to double check if there was something wrong with my X62. This was with everything on stock settings.
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#5543519 Posted on: 05/03/2018 02:39 PM
Did you bother checking voltages? Or whether or not your CPU was actually running at idle speeds? For example, some of the Windows power options can keep the CPU running at full speed even when idle.
I used HWinfo64, Ryzen master and it wasnt mounted wrong been doing this for 20+ and i even tried with my X61 just to double check if there was something wrong with my X62. This was with everything on stock settings.
Did you bother checking voltages? Or whether or not your CPU was actually running at idle speeds? For example, some of the Windows power options can keep the CPU running at full speed even when idle.
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#5543524 Posted on: 05/03/2018 02:51 PM
Either something went wrong, or you must have gotten a really bad chip. But like the guy above me said check voltage, maybe it was going to high for some reason.
Also check other monitors, normally motherboard ones in the bios can be fairly okay.
I used HWinfo64, Ryzen master and it wasnt mounted wrong been doing this for 20+ and i even tried with my X61 just to double check if there was something wrong with my X62. This was with everything on stock settings.
Either something went wrong, or you must have gotten a really bad chip. But like the guy above me said check voltage, maybe it was going to high for some reason.
Also check other monitors, normally motherboard ones in the bios can be fairly okay.
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#5543530 Posted on: 05/03/2018 03:08 PM
It's hard luck to get a bad chip. Hope your next buy runs more smoothly.
I just returned my 2700x it was impossible to keep cooled i tried with NZXT X62 and it was running at 45-60 at idle even with the fans at full blast, i tried reapplying the thermal paste 3 times with no luck and on top of that it caused a larger amount of BSOD than i have eve er seen on windows 10.
It's hard luck to get a bad chip. Hope your next buy runs more smoothly.
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#5543533 Posted on: 05/03/2018 03:14 PM
I had some stupid high readouts in OS, while in BIOS CPU was down to 37C. But after entering OS, fans were much faster (temperature control). And temperature was around ~50C at idle.
By default many MBs OC CPU, disable Cool&Quiet and that may require additional tweaking for stability. I did reseat my Fractal S24 too to be sure.
There are a lot of reports on internet about bad readouts from Zen+. But for some reason those values are getting better every day. I know that CPU was not hot as even long burn session did not get reasonably hot air from radiator.
(And CPU was eating 180~200W at those times, therefore bad contact would lead to thermal shutdown.) So, only readings improve.
So I expect @Alienwarez567 faced 2 separate issues. 1st unstable settings in BIOS, 2nd scary high readouts. Because if CPU was really hitting 45~60C at idle (10~20W depending on BIOS settings), Once fully used (125~200W depending on BIOS settings), it would cause thermal shutdown instead of BSOD.
Secondly, with that kind of cooling, VRMs would melt down before CPU would overheat as VRMs have much worse passive cooling and quite some energy loss (HWiNFO64 reads Wattage difference between VRMs input and output).
For real? That is nearly impossible unless you mounted it incorrectly. What did you use to check temps?
I had some stupid high readouts in OS, while in BIOS CPU was down to 37C. But after entering OS, fans were much faster (temperature control). And temperature was around ~50C at idle.
By default many MBs OC CPU, disable Cool&Quiet and that may require additional tweaking for stability. I did reseat my Fractal S24 too to be sure.
There are a lot of reports on internet about bad readouts from Zen+. But for some reason those values are getting better every day. I know that CPU was not hot as even long burn session did not get reasonably hot air from radiator.
(And CPU was eating 180~200W at those times, therefore bad contact would lead to thermal shutdown.) So, only readings improve.
So I expect @Alienwarez567 faced 2 separate issues. 1st unstable settings in BIOS, 2nd scary high readouts. Because if CPU was really hitting 45~60C at idle (10~20W depending on BIOS settings), Once fully used (125~200W depending on BIOS settings), it would cause thermal shutdown instead of BSOD.
Secondly, with that kind of cooling, VRMs would melt down before CPU would overheat as VRMs have much worse passive cooling and quite some energy loss (HWiNFO64 reads Wattage difference between VRMs input and output).
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#5543538 Posted on: 05/03/2018 03:25 PM
Actually, it's not really bad luck. To my understanding, there's no such thing as a bad CPU from factory, at least ones manufactured by GloFo, TSMC, and Intel - I'm not so sure about everyone else. The CPU dies are analyzed before being committed to a package, and further tested before being sold. Anyone who claims to have a DOA or bad CPU either has a faulty motherboard, faulty BIOS, or they did something wrong. And even then, nowadays the manufacturing process is a little too precise for there to ever be hardware errors to this extreme. More often than not, faulty computer hardware is due to user error.
It's hard luck to get a bad chip. Hope your next buy runs more smoothly.
Actually, it's not really bad luck. To my understanding, there's no such thing as a bad CPU from factory, at least ones manufactured by GloFo, TSMC, and Intel - I'm not so sure about everyone else. The CPU dies are analyzed before being committed to a package, and further tested before being sold. Anyone who claims to have a DOA or bad CPU either has a faulty motherboard, faulty BIOS, or they did something wrong. And even then, nowadays the manufacturing process is a little too precise for there to ever be hardware errors to this extreme. More often than not, faulty computer hardware is due to user error.
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#5543543 Posted on: 05/03/2018 03:41 PM
Re the 2700, just doesnt make sense if only $30 difference vs 2700x. Can see its viability if the $ spread were more. Secondly, as poorer binned versions of the 2700x, who is to say it will get to 4.2ghz for everyone? What if HH sample is better than what most consumers may end up getting?
Re the 2700, just doesnt make sense if only $30 difference vs 2700x. Can see its viability if the $ spread were more. Secondly, as poorer binned versions of the 2700x, who is to say it will get to 4.2ghz for everyone? What if HH sample is better than what most consumers may end up getting?
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it seems that this time around the X models are more appealing than the non x to the contrary of the ryzen's 1xxx