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#5156904 Posted on: 09/10/2015 05:10 PM
Don't like the price either.. I mean wtf.
Don't like the price either.. I mean wtf.
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#5156905 Posted on: 09/10/2015 05:12 PM
This one will be great for Steam Machines I think.
This one will be great for Steam Machines I think.
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#5156907 Posted on: 09/10/2015 05:19 PM
Well this is a let down
I was hoping it would have been much cheaper. £500 is totally out of my price bracket, and if I was dumping that much on a GPU you bet its going to be a 980 Ti.
Looks like I am skipping a gen (again).
Well this is a let down
I was hoping it would have been much cheaper. £500 is totally out of my price bracket, and if I was dumping that much on a GPU you bet its going to be a 980 Ti.
Looks like I am skipping a gen (again).
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#5156908 Posted on: 09/10/2015 05:20 PM
It's an amazing card, but I don't see the point. The power usage is excellent, performance is very good and due to the price it actually makes the Fury X look like a better deal, but there are already supply problems with the Fury X and this card is going to exacerbate that.
It has severely limited market appeal and seems to rely on the 'build it and they will come' ethos, but this isn't the card people need or want, supply is going to face the same problems as the Fury X and it certainly isn't going to help AMD regain market share.
While it might look like I'm ragging on you AMD, my comments are borne out of frustration that you as a company don't seem to know what you're trying to achieve. Why go to the effort of producing something this frivolous when the company is in such difficulty? It's like the ship is sinking but the band is still playing.
Stop over charging for your products and you'll sell more. That's what people want, stop trying to mimic Nvidia, that's why people loved AMD in the first place. Charging a premium price does not automatically make your product the market leader. Being the perceived underdog is a strength, not a weakness. I'm well out of the loop when it comes to buying all the new hardware and such but I do still have to read the graphics card reviews and what people are saying on the forums, why can't you see the same thing everyone else is seeing?
Rant over, going for a lie down; hopefully I'll be dreaming of the good old days when people would buy multiple x800xt's purely on the off-chance they might be unlockable.
Idk, I don't see how they could charge less. For the Nano, maybe -- if they went with a different chip they could have done it. But for the Fury X? The actual size of the card is as big as the 980Ti, it has a water cooling loop and HBM yields/the R&D cost of that alone.. I doubt AMD is making much money on the Fury X to begin with, at least no where near as much as Nvidia makes on the 980Ti.
So then what would be the solution? Ditch HBM? If they had gone with GDDR5, the card would be 40w higher and perform slightly worse than it already does. Maybe they could have sold it for $550 at that rate or something -- but they'd still have a card that costs as much as Nvidia's (manufacturing wise) and they'd be selling it for less.
I think AMD is doing the best it can with what it has available. HBM is good for it's APU/HSA and it also has the added benefit of allowing creative/unique form factors for GPU's while cutting power a bit. I can't really see them going any other direction aside from somehow building a new architecture quicker. While GCN has aged nicely (mostly because of AMD's efforts with Mantle/Xbox One) it's definitely showing it's age when it comes to performance/power scaling. I mean look at this card, the difference between 175w and 280w is a few hundred mhz.
Hopefully Greenland or w/e the codename for the new architecture is called fixes some of these issues, comes on 14nm with HBM2. Nvidia will probably only have 16nm available through TSMC, so they'll be at a slight disadvantage when it comes to density.
It's an amazing card, but I don't see the point. The power usage is excellent, performance is very good and due to the price it actually makes the Fury X look like a better deal, but there are already supply problems with the Fury X and this card is going to exacerbate that.
It has severely limited market appeal and seems to rely on the 'build it and they will come' ethos, but this isn't the card people need or want, supply is going to face the same problems as the Fury X and it certainly isn't going to help AMD regain market share.
While it might look like I'm ragging on you AMD, my comments are borne out of frustration that you as a company don't seem to know what you're trying to achieve. Why go to the effort of producing something this frivolous when the company is in such difficulty? It's like the ship is sinking but the band is still playing.
Stop over charging for your products and you'll sell more. That's what people want, stop trying to mimic Nvidia, that's why people loved AMD in the first place. Charging a premium price does not automatically make your product the market leader. Being the perceived underdog is a strength, not a weakness. I'm well out of the loop when it comes to buying all the new hardware and such but I do still have to read the graphics card reviews and what people are saying on the forums, why can't you see the same thing everyone else is seeing?
Rant over, going for a lie down; hopefully I'll be dreaming of the good old days when people would buy multiple x800xt's purely on the off-chance they might be unlockable.
Idk, I don't see how they could charge less. For the Nano, maybe -- if they went with a different chip they could have done it. But for the Fury X? The actual size of the card is as big as the 980Ti, it has a water cooling loop and HBM yields/the R&D cost of that alone.. I doubt AMD is making much money on the Fury X to begin with, at least no where near as much as Nvidia makes on the 980Ti.
So then what would be the solution? Ditch HBM? If they had gone with GDDR5, the card would be 40w higher and perform slightly worse than it already does. Maybe they could have sold it for $550 at that rate or something -- but they'd still have a card that costs as much as Nvidia's (manufacturing wise) and they'd be selling it for less.
I think AMD is doing the best it can with what it has available. HBM is good for it's APU/HSA and it also has the added benefit of allowing creative/unique form factors for GPU's while cutting power a bit. I can't really see them going any other direction aside from somehow building a new architecture quicker. While GCN has aged nicely (mostly because of AMD's efforts with Mantle/Xbox One) it's definitely showing it's age when it comes to performance/power scaling. I mean look at this card, the difference between 175w and 280w is a few hundred mhz.
Hopefully Greenland or w/e the codename for the new architecture is called fixes some of these issues, comes on 14nm with HBM2. Nvidia will probably only have 16nm available through TSMC, so they'll be at a slight disadvantage when it comes to density.
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It's an amazing card, but I don't see the point. The power usage is excellent, performance is very good and due to the price it actually makes the Fury X look like a better deal, but there are already supply problems with the Fury X and this card is going to exacerbate that.
It has severely limited market appeal and seems to rely on the 'build it and they will come' ethos, but this isn't the card people need or want, supply is going to face the same problems as the Fury X and it certainly isn't going to help AMD regain market share.
While it might look like I'm ragging on you AMD, my comments are borne out of frustration that you as a company don't seem to know what you're trying to achieve. Why go to the effort of producing something this frivolous when the company is in such difficulty? It's like the ship is sinking but the band is still playing.
Stop over charging for your products and you'll sell more. That's what people want, stop trying to mimic Nvidia, that's why people loved AMD in the first place. Charging a premium price does not automatically make your product the market leader. Being the perceived underdog is a strength, not a weakness. I'm well out of the loop when it comes to buying all the new hardware and such but I do still have to read the graphics card reviews and what people are saying on the forums, why can't you see the same thing everyone else is seeing?
Rant over, going for a lie down; hopefully I'll be dreaming of the good old days when people would buy multiple x800xt's purely on the off-chance they might be unlockable.