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AMD mentioned that the FX processor will be making a return in two years time. Very little information otherwise is shared really, there is no mention about the new architecture except that it will be developed from the ground up, it will not be a derivative of the Bulldozer architecture but a totally new high performance x86 (x86-64) architecture.
As wccftech reported (see source link), we dont really have any more details about the upcoming FX Series, apart from the fact that you will definitely be seeing a new high performance x86 (x86-64) architecture within two years. Now the move about AMD concentrating on the Chinese Market is itself very interesting. It is interesting because a big chunk of the Chinese Market is DIY (do it yourself) as opposed to OEM based.
This would affect manufacturer tactics of shipping lower end products to OEMs. Infact this very question was raised about Kabini and AMD replied in a negative by stating that Kabini is not meant for the high performance demanding DIY sector and is mostly OEM based so it will not be appearing in the Chinese market anytime soon. We already know AMD has a new architecture planned for 2016 and needless to say the following years are going to become very interesting for Red.
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#4822049 Posted on: 05/21/2014 08:19 PM
Yes, the server market decides quite a bit on technology, but at the end of the day, client machines are equally important, at least now, so I say its not completely decided by servers only. The last few iterations of technology has mostly been targeted at the mobile compute market (power usage, efficiency), which is/was growing. It is true that is may soon transition more towards servers though since cloud/internet services are increasing server hardware sales. I agree that Intel is popular due to efficiency, but it may also be because the server market has traditionally been mostly dominated by Intel.
As for upgrading when you need it, of course, if you feel satisfied (I'm pretty satisfied with my old i7 even now) then there is no need. However, once you pick up a brand new game that's intensive (ie. BF4 64 multiplayer) and you aren't willing to sacrifice quality, then its time to open the wallet!
As for i7 usage, I guess we have to define what general home users do. Some people may encode videos, some may compile some code, some may work with Lightroom/Photoshop, etc. There are many things that determine if a i7 is warranted or not. I do understand that nearly anything past the cheapest dual core is overkill for simply web surfing/video watching.
As for the SUV analogy, while I personally wouldn't drive one, I do find SUVs useful for transporting items every now and then that a sedan will never be able to. Like bicycles, large boxes, luggage, etc. They also offer a higher driving perspective that my dad really enjoys. Its a choice, there isn't really a right or wrong one.
As for the time management issue, I don't think that is very true. Unless you are working with small projects, the scale of code that is to be compiled is usually huge. Visually inspecting it is impossible, you won't catch any but the most obvious mistakes. You need a fast processor to quickly debug, compile, and then test. With rendering, it is even more critical, what you see if often not what you get due to draft/final quality differences (you aren't going to run full ray-tracing quality in the viewport). For these work, it simply isn't being more careful, or have better management of time, the system also isn't 24/7 rendering. Yet, the speed increases afforded by better technology has allowed designers to be able to generate more material, tweak and refine it that would not be possible years ago due to the speed and time required. However, minimum quality standards have risen, but so has rendering efficiency (in software algorithms, and with GPU assisting).
Patience indeed is a virtue, but I don't think it should be applied to rendering and compiling other than wanting to kick the computer when it is doing so.
Yes, the server market decides quite a bit on technology, but at the end of the day, client machines are equally important, at least now, so I say its not completely decided by servers only. The last few iterations of technology has mostly been targeted at the mobile compute market (power usage, efficiency), which is/was growing. It is true that is may soon transition more towards servers though since cloud/internet services are increasing server hardware sales. I agree that Intel is popular due to efficiency, but it may also be because the server market has traditionally been mostly dominated by Intel.
As for upgrading when you need it, of course, if you feel satisfied (I'm pretty satisfied with my old i7 even now) then there is no need. However, once you pick up a brand new game that's intensive (ie. BF4 64 multiplayer) and you aren't willing to sacrifice quality, then its time to open the wallet!
As for i7 usage, I guess we have to define what general home users do. Some people may encode videos, some may compile some code, some may work with Lightroom/Photoshop, etc. There are many things that determine if a i7 is warranted or not. I do understand that nearly anything past the cheapest dual core is overkill for simply web surfing/video watching.
As for the SUV analogy, while I personally wouldn't drive one, I do find SUVs useful for transporting items every now and then that a sedan will never be able to. Like bicycles, large boxes, luggage, etc. They also offer a higher driving perspective that my dad really enjoys. Its a choice, there isn't really a right or wrong one.
As for the time management issue, I don't think that is very true. Unless you are working with small projects, the scale of code that is to be compiled is usually huge. Visually inspecting it is impossible, you won't catch any but the most obvious mistakes. You need a fast processor to quickly debug, compile, and then test. With rendering, it is even more critical, what you see if often not what you get due to draft/final quality differences (you aren't going to run full ray-tracing quality in the viewport). For these work, it simply isn't being more careful, or have better management of time, the system also isn't 24/7 rendering. Yet, the speed increases afforded by better technology has allowed designers to be able to generate more material, tweak and refine it that would not be possible years ago due to the speed and time required. However, minimum quality standards have risen, but so has rendering efficiency (in software algorithms, and with GPU assisting).
Patience indeed is a virtue, but I don't think it should be applied to rendering and compiling other than wanting to kick the computer when it is doing so.
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#4822062 Posted on: 05/21/2014 08:50 PM
Mobile market is improving also because of servers, ARM servers to be specific. ARM servers are appealing because of how power, space, and cost efficient they are, which x86 pales in comparison to (depending on the type of load - ARM is only good for several instances of minor tasks, whereas x86 is good at few instances of major tasks, and GPUs are good at single-instance highly-parallel tasks). Large companies like nvidia and Samsung don't seem care as much about the ARM server market, but in the end, they're all sharing the same root architecture.
There will always be instances where a workstation user is good at system optimizations and task management yet still have a real need for even a hex core i7, but they're a lot more rare than you think. Remember, the key word here is "need". There are a lot of people out there who use stuff like photoshop and are self-proclaimed professionals, when I know of real professional photo editors who can make some truly amazing pieces on a core 2 quad with 4GB of RAM. Such users may be a little inconvenienced about having to micro-manage everything, there's no denying that. But the bottom line here is what's more important, spending a little effort taking care of your machine, or pay the extra premium so you don't have to? Yes, there are people who are in a real time crunch and can't afford to spend that extra time or just simply don't know how to, in which case to each his/her own.
Like I said, SUVs have serious amazing benefits. I think they're arguably the most useful "class D" vehicle, I just think it says a lot about the driver when they use it for commuting to an office and are willing to pay the extra fuel costs when they rarely, if ever, take advantage of it for the reason it was made. Then again, when you see Cadelac or Porche make such vehicles, it really shows how the manufacturers take note of this behavior and take the S and U out of SUV.
Anyway, a lot of what you're mentioning isn't wrong by any means, but almost never applies to home users or at-home workstations and/or non-critical workstations. By non-critical I mean something that isn't going to make or break a company.
Mobile market is improving also because of servers, ARM servers to be specific. ARM servers are appealing because of how power, space, and cost efficient they are, which x86 pales in comparison to (depending on the type of load - ARM is only good for several instances of minor tasks, whereas x86 is good at few instances of major tasks, and GPUs are good at single-instance highly-parallel tasks). Large companies like nvidia and Samsung don't seem care as much about the ARM server market, but in the end, they're all sharing the same root architecture.
There will always be instances where a workstation user is good at system optimizations and task management yet still have a real need for even a hex core i7, but they're a lot more rare than you think. Remember, the key word here is "need". There are a lot of people out there who use stuff like photoshop and are self-proclaimed professionals, when I know of real professional photo editors who can make some truly amazing pieces on a core 2 quad with 4GB of RAM. Such users may be a little inconvenienced about having to micro-manage everything, there's no denying that. But the bottom line here is what's more important, spending a little effort taking care of your machine, or pay the extra premium so you don't have to? Yes, there are people who are in a real time crunch and can't afford to spend that extra time or just simply don't know how to, in which case to each his/her own.
Like I said, SUVs have serious amazing benefits. I think they're arguably the most useful "class D" vehicle, I just think it says a lot about the driver when they use it for commuting to an office and are willing to pay the extra fuel costs when they rarely, if ever, take advantage of it for the reason it was made. Then again, when you see Cadelac or Porche make such vehicles, it really shows how the manufacturers take note of this behavior and take the S and U out of SUV.
Anyway, a lot of what you're mentioning isn't wrong by any means, but almost never applies to home users or at-home workstations and/or non-critical workstations. By non-critical I mean something that isn't going to make or break a company.
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#4822119 Posted on: 05/21/2014 10:22 PM
Intel currently doesn't have the instruction offloading that the post excavator cores supposedly will have. This is a big win for AMD, as Intel can't do the same unless they can get the licensing for it. The reciprocal agreement regarding instruction sets won't apply to this. It's possible AMD might introduce a new instruction set or two then as well.
Intel currently doesn't have the instruction offloading that the post excavator cores supposedly will have. This is a big win for AMD, as Intel can't do the same unless they can get the licensing for it. The reciprocal agreement regarding instruction sets won't apply to this. It's possible AMD might introduce a new instruction set or two then as well.
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#4822189 Posted on: 05/22/2014 12:48 AM
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I see your point and I don't disagree by any means. However, the evolution of hardware is limited by server needs, not consumer needs. Intel is popular in the server market because their performance per watt is INSANELY good. When you have something that runs indefinitely and is time critical, you need to step it up. When it comes to things like games, you only need to push available technology to its limits. That's why I only upgrade until my hardware becomes bottlenecked.
As I said before, intel has real world practical purposes, purposes that AMD cant, never has, and maybe never will compete against. However, the average HOME user has no need for an i7, in the same way someone who drives to work in an SUV. An SUV has real world practical purposes that no other vehicle will fulfill, but many people get one simply because it's bigger and more durable, when all they have to do is clean up the trunk and do more tune-ups.
True, there is a point where an AMD CPU is not going to cut it for a serious gaming machine. It doesn't quite make sense to spend hundreds of dollars on stuff like GPUs and 3D monitors when the CPU is cheap in comparison.
Time is money, but it still comes back to the task management issue - people should be thankful processor technology multiplied as fast as it did, but instead they really take it for granted. Learn how to optimize your work flow and you don't need to pay the highest premium. Double check your work before you render or compile, and you'll save yourself a heap of time regardless of how good your hardware is.
Patience is a virtue, and its becoming rare these days.