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Razer Viper 8KHz Gaming Mouse has HyperPolling Technology
My god, how many times do they need to 'reinvent' the mouse? Razer announced their new proprietary Razer HyperPolling Technology, debuting in the new Razer Viper 8 KHz mouse, the world's first esports gaming mouse with a true 8000Hz Polling rate.
Razer HyperPolling Technology surpasses the industry-standard 1000 Hz polling rate with a true 8000Hz polling rate for performance at the speed of thought, ushering in a new era of gaming responsiveness, speed, and reliability. Currently, most top gaming mice support polling rates of up to 1000Hz, and whilst manufacturers have focused on making mice more accurate and responsive, little consideration has been given to the frequency with which click and positional data is transmitted to the PC. With faster PCs and higher refresh rate monitors, higher polling rates can eliminate annoying micro-stutters, significantly improving gameplay performance when a fraction of a second can be the difference between winning or losing.
"Latency is a very important part of gameplay that significantly affects the overall gaming experience - and yet, it is overlooked by many companies that focused for too long on increasing DPI. Unlike DPI, lower latency benefits everyone from casual to professional players by shaving off important milliseconds from the overall reaction time," said Alvin Cheung, Senior Vice President of Razer's peripherals business unit. "During our testing and development process with a large pool of competitive players and mouse enthusiasts, many reported significantly smoother and more responsive input when using the HyperPolling Technology featured in the new Viper 8KHz esports gaming mouse."
At least 8x faster - the science behind its speed
Polling rate is the frequency at which a device reports data to the PC, with an industry standard of up to 1000Hz (1000 times a second). Razer HyperPolling Technology utilizes a high-speed USB microcontroller to surpass this standard with a true polling rate of 8000Hz. This allows the Viper 8KHz to send up to eight times more data each second, effectively reducing input delay from 1ms to just 1/8th of a millisecond.
Razer HyperPolling Technology can send more up-to-date data to better match a monitor's faster refresh rate. As a result, the delay between the latest report and the monitor's frame rendering is much less when compared to that of a 1000Hz polling rate, resulting in smoother and more up-to-date cursor positions.
Higher polling rates can reduce the input delay, minimizing micro-stutters and sudden jumps in the cursor position, resulting in smooth, accurate cursor movement on the screen. Razer HyperPolling Technology not only provides the fastest click latency, but also keeps the click-to-click variance to an absolute minimum - making it superior to other leading gaming technologies.
"This technology is perfect for games that require high precision and responsiveness like CS:GO," said Tarik "tarik" Celik, CS:GO star of Evil Geniuses. Nikolay "Nikobaby" Nikolov from Dota2 team Alliance agreed, saying, "I'd instantly tell the difference between 1000Hz and 8000Hz."
Outpace the competition with the Viper 8KHz
The Viper 8KHz is the first Razer peripheral to feature Razer HyperPolling Technology, marrying 3 key innovations in one device to create the world's fastest competitive gaming mouse. The 2nd-gen Razer Optical Mouse Switches and Razer Focus+ Optical Sensor, combined with Razer HyperPolling Technology, delivers a gaming mouse with unparalleled speed, precision, and responsiveness.
The 2nd-gen Razer Optical Mouse Switches have been improved with greater tactile feedback, making each click feel and sound more satisfying than before. Eliminating the need for debounce delay used in traditional mechanical switches, this lightning-fast actuation is complemented by HyperPolling Technology to provide the lowest input latency, helping gamers achieve those pro-levels of reaction times. Ultra-fast and durable, the 2nd-gen Razer Optical Mouse Switches are built to last for 70 million clicks.
The Razer Focus+ Optical Sensor has an industry-leading 99.6% resolution accuracy, so even the finest movements are tracked with consistency. With the sensor's unique intelligent functions, combined with Razer HyperPolling Technology, gamers will experience ultra-smooth, stutter-free cursor tracking for an acute level of precision and those crucial game-winning headshots.
First-class performance. Down to every last detail.
This groundbreaking performance and technology is packed into a solid, ambidextrous chassis, weighing just 71 grams. The Viper 8KHz is fitted with 100% PTFE mouse feet for smoother glides, and features Razer's snag-free SpeedFlex Cable to ensure minimal drag for fluid swipes.
Through Razer Synapse 3, gamers can rebind the eight programmable buttons, assign macros or secondary functions, and save all profile configurations to the Viper 8KHz's advanced on-board memory. With storage for up to five on-board memory profiles, users enjoy instant access to their personal settings wherever they are.
A stark upgrade over its predecessor, the Viper 8KHz incorporates most of Razer's technology innovations to achieve a level of performance bar none.
- True 8000 Hz (0.125 ms) polling rate
- True 20,000 DPI Focus+ optical sensor
- Up to 650 inches per second (IPS) / 50 G acceleration / industry best 99.6% resolution accuracy
- 2nd-gen Razer Optical Mouse Switches rated for 70 million clicks
- True ambidextrous design with ultra-durable integrated rubber side grips
- 100% PTFE mouse feet
- Gaming-grade tactile scroll wheel
- On-The-Fly Sensitivity Adjustment (Default stages: 400/800/1600/2400/3200)
- Hybrid Cloud storage and on-board memory (4+1 profiles)
- Razer Chroma RGB lighting with true 16.8 million customizable color options
- 7+1 programmable buttons
- Advanced Lift-off/Landing distance customization
- Razer Synapse 3 enabled
- 1.8 m / 6 ft Speedflex cable
- 126.73 mm / 4.99 in (Length) X 57.6 mm / 2.27 in (Width) X 37.81 mm / 1.49 in (Height)
- Approximate weight: 71 g / 2.5 oz (Excluding cable)
Pricing and Availability - MSRP: $79.99 USD / €89.99 - Available from January 28, 2021
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#5882604 Posted on: 01/29/2021 09:56 PM
I'm kinda curious about the potential downsides to this considering going above 250Hz gradually introduces some fun CPU balancing acts 500Hz might be manageable put 1000Hz polling can causing some fun issues and oddities.
Yeah really curious what pushing this even higher might do probably nothing good but what do I know.
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1110338-1000hz-mouse-polling-lag-epidemic/
Input lag has to pretty much hamper any gains from going too high on this so ~8 times higher still can't be very useful.
High numbers though, translates to high sales I believe.
(Exception being when it's for the price tag though. :p )
EDIT: Liking the marketing speak though having a guy that can supposedly tell the difference when we're talking a 1000th of a second or something like that.
Back in the old days (CS 1.3, UT99, ...) you had to hex edit usbport.sys I believe and 1000 Hz would cause issues in some games. A lot of people ran 500 Hz for that very reason. On a properly functioning PC nowadays 1000 Hz shouldn't be an issue though.
8000 Hz might reintroduce some of these issues (some game engines are showing stuttering issues), but long term I still thing there's still gains to be had. Keep in mind that lower latency doesn't always have to translate to "OMGZ ITZ LIKE SO MUCH QUICKER!!!". Sometimes it just helps a lot of other things as well indirectly. It still could improve overall mouse input and precision and raising mouse frequency actually also has a mild positive effect on image tearing (due to the ingame camera updating in a smoother fashion when turning, but you need a high speed camera to see this).
I recon short term this won't matter that much though and we're obviously talking diminishing returns at this point. Having the right shape for your hand will probably still be more important than having 8Khz over 1Khz.
(FYI, 8000Khz was already possible on some mice since 2016 using Sweetlow's hidusbf tool. Though it was hit and miss. Some mice are internally capped at certain frequencies, some do 8Khz, some are stuck at 1Khz and others would do 2 or 4 Khz or some would even yield unstable polling rate results over a 1000)
I'm kinda curious about the potential downsides to this considering going above 250Hz gradually introduces some fun CPU balancing acts 500Hz might be manageable put 1000Hz polling can causing some fun issues and oddities.
Yeah really curious what pushing this even higher might do probably nothing good but what do I know.
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1110338-1000hz-mouse-polling-lag-epidemic/
Input lag has to pretty much hamper any gains from going too high on this so ~8 times higher still can't be very useful.
High numbers though, translates to high sales I believe.
(Exception being when it's for the price tag though. :p )
EDIT: Liking the marketing speak though having a guy that can supposedly tell the difference when we're talking a 1000th of a second or something like that.
Back in the old days (CS 1.3, UT99, ...) you had to hex edit usbport.sys I believe and 1000 Hz would cause issues in some games. A lot of people ran 500 Hz for that very reason. On a properly functioning PC nowadays 1000 Hz shouldn't be an issue though.
8000 Hz might reintroduce some of these issues (some game engines are showing stuttering issues), but long term I still thing there's still gains to be had. Keep in mind that lower latency doesn't always have to translate to "OMGZ ITZ LIKE SO MUCH QUICKER!!!". Sometimes it just helps a lot of other things as well indirectly. It still could improve overall mouse input and precision and raising mouse frequency actually also has a mild positive effect on image tearing (due to the ingame camera updating in a smoother fashion when turning, but you need a high speed camera to see this).
I recon short term this won't matter that much though and we're obviously talking diminishing returns at this point. Having the right shape for your hand will probably still be more important than having 8Khz over 1Khz.
(FYI, 8000Khz was already possible on some mice since 2016 using Sweetlow's hidusbf tool. Though it was hit and miss. Some mice are internally capped at certain frequencies, some do 8Khz, some are stuck at 1Khz and others would do 2 or 4 Khz or some would even yield unstable polling rate results over a 1000)
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#5882793 Posted on: 01/30/2021 04:14 PM
Sounds like BS unless he have a monitor with refresh rate of at least 2000 FPS and his neurons can go above the neuron firing speed (normal: 1-200Hz, maximum 200-1000Hz).
Nikolay "Nikobaby" Nikolov from Dota2 team Alliance agreed, saying, "I'd instantly tell the difference between 1000Hz and 8000Hz."
Sounds like BS unless he have a monitor with refresh rate of at least 2000 FPS and his neurons can go above the neuron firing speed (normal: 1-200Hz, maximum 200-1000Hz).
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#5882821 Posted on: 01/30/2021 06:00 PM
It's not just about input delay, but also (mostly) about visual smoothness. If you have a steady hand and know what to look for, you should be able to tell the difference when using raw mouse input while panning the camera (Like others and I are).
Mouse polling rate and visual smoothness:
https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=946
Also interesting (flick shots):
https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?t=6162
However, since very high mouse/usb polling rates strain the processor, the better approach would be to "sync" the polling rate to the refresh rate of the monitor, or to the frame rate of the graphics card (no tech is currently able to do this, but you can come very close by doing it manually, e.g. 125fps@125Hz@125polling). In the meantime, a proper mouse smoothing filter could offer solace for the non-competitive players (linear interpolation will do, or something more fancy like https://www.flipcode.com/archives/Smooth-Mouse-Filtering.shtml ). Or maybe fully utilize one entire dedicated processor core for input processing, since everything is multi-core these days.
Also, make sure to read Chief Blur Buster's ( @mdrejhon ) articles and comments in the threads on BlurBusters (and on here).
It's not just about input delay, but also (mostly) about visual smoothness. If you have a steady hand and know what to look for, you should be able to tell the difference when using raw mouse input while panning the camera (Like others and I are).
Mouse polling rate and visual smoothness:
https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=946
Also interesting (flick shots):
https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?t=6162
However, since very high mouse/usb polling rates strain the processor, the better approach would be to "sync" the polling rate to the refresh rate of the monitor, or to the frame rate of the graphics card (no tech is currently able to do this, but you can come very close by doing it manually, e.g. 125fps@125Hz@125polling). In the meantime, a proper mouse smoothing filter could offer solace for the non-competitive players (linear interpolation will do, or something more fancy like https://www.flipcode.com/archives/Smooth-Mouse-Filtering.shtml ). Or maybe fully utilize one entire dedicated processor core for input processing, since everything is multi-core these days.
Also, make sure to read Chief Blur Buster's ( @mdrejhon ) articles and comments in the threads on BlurBusters (and on here).
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#5882883 Posted on: 01/30/2021 08:53 PM
Rapid mouse movement at 8K polling rate is going to kick some CPUs in the nuts depending on the software. Cooler Master's terrible software combined with a 1K polling rate on my i7-4770K back in the day caused the CPU to choke.
Rapid mouse movement at 8K polling rate is going to kick some CPUs in the nuts depending on the software. Cooler Master's terrible software combined with a 1K polling rate on my i7-4770K back in the day caused the CPU to choke.
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It's the same price as the 5G Viper mouse.