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Raptor Lake would outperform Alder Lake by up to 15% in single-core and 40% in multi-core.
AMD will release its first Zen 4 processors in the second part of the year, while Intel, according to recent speculations, will not stand idle: Raptor Lake would outperform Alder Lake by up to 15% in single-core performance and up to 40% in multi-core performance, making it a formidable competitor for the next AMD.
Raptor Lake would improve between 8% and 15% in single-core due to architectural improvements, and between 30% and 40% in multi-core due to the combination of these architectural improvements and the addition of extra cores, which is a significant generational increase. It is also expected to come in the third quarter of the year, so it will not take as long as the Zen 4 to hit the market.
Remember that Intel confirmed a few days ago that Raptor Lake will have up to 24 cores and 32 threads compared to 16 cores and 24 threads in Alder Lake, so these figures make a lot of sense when you consider the improvements per core that you mentioned in the previous Intel, as well as the addition of up to 8 additional high-efficiency cores. The Zen 4 will have the same number of cores as the Zen 3, but it will have a much-improved architecture and a larger TDP to allow speeds beyond 5GHz, so the battle between the two firms in the second part of the year will be more than exciting.
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#5995415 Posted on: 02/23/2022 12:35 AM
I'm glad you live in a land of free energy, but many of us do not. My electric bill has risen by close to 100% in the last two years. My PC running for most of the day is a significant chunk of that bill.
I'm glad you live in a land of free energy, but many of us do not. My electric bill has risen by close to 100% in the last two years. My PC running for most of the day is a significant chunk of that bill.
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#5995422 Posted on: 02/23/2022 12:44 AM
There's a lot wrong here:
1. In a lot of places in the world, the heat output is a problem. In most places throughout the world, the heat output is a problem in the summer.
2. If you can't control the heat then you lose that performance. Why pay extra for performance you can't have?
3. In some parts of the world, electricity is expensive. While I'm fortunate to have cheaper than average electricity, my rates have doubled in 2022.
4. As an enthusiast, you should know that pushing the envelope this like leaves less room for tuning. Better efficiency generally means you can do more.
5. You like having louder fans or more expensive loops? Because that's what you get when things run hotter.
6. You're basically asking "why not settle?". Since when is that ever ideal? I don't want to buy a new product that's "good enough", and I don't want to pay extra for something that has a disadvantage to lower-end parts.
7. Collectively, every watt makes a big difference. Just changing all your incandescent bulbs to LEDs makes a noteworthy impact on just a single house. Now, multiply that difference by billions. Computers are no different. What used to take 300W just to browse the internet can be done fluidly in as little as 15W.
From what I recall (haven't checked in a while), high quality PSUs get substantially more expensive once you go past 750W. How many more FPS does your 12900K and 3090 get you compared to a 12600K and a 3080, and how many of those FPS can you honestly differentiate in a blind test? Not only is the performance-per-watt horribly disproportionate, but the performance-per- is too.
The way you phrase all of this makes you sound elitist and out-of-touch.
I must be missing something, why do so many people bang on about power draw? Most if not ALL waste so much electric on every day stuff and if you are into high end PC's then you expect to use more electric. Most of my house is on LED bulbs now, but in one room I would have had 8 can lights and 4 other lights so 12 x 60w just for lights!!! Who gives a sh@t if the new amazing fast CPU's and GPU's take a bit more power, it just means now days you need a bigger PSU, so what. And don't say it to save the planet coz we know that is ball if you think shaving a few watts off a PC is going to make ANY difference :p
There's a lot wrong here:
1. In a lot of places in the world, the heat output is a problem. In most places throughout the world, the heat output is a problem in the summer.
2. If you can't control the heat then you lose that performance. Why pay extra for performance you can't have?
3. In some parts of the world, electricity is expensive. While I'm fortunate to have cheaper than average electricity, my rates have doubled in 2022.
4. As an enthusiast, you should know that pushing the envelope this like leaves less room for tuning. Better efficiency generally means you can do more.
5. You like having louder fans or more expensive loops? Because that's what you get when things run hotter.
6. You're basically asking "why not settle?". Since when is that ever ideal? I don't want to buy a new product that's "good enough", and I don't want to pay extra for something that has a disadvantage to lower-end parts.
7. Collectively, every watt makes a big difference. Just changing all your incandescent bulbs to LEDs makes a noteworthy impact on just a single house. Now, multiply that difference by billions. Computers are no different. What used to take 300W just to browse the internet can be done fluidly in as little as 15W.
So those that are making a fuss, it is coz you have to buy a bigger PSU?
I upgraded to a 1200 watt PSU for my new i9-12900k/RTX3090 build and high-end gaming it runs around 550 to 600 watts - big deal.
I upgraded to a 1200 watt PSU for my new i9-12900k/RTX3090 build and high-end gaming it runs around 550 to 600 watts - big deal.
From what I recall (haven't checked in a while), high quality PSUs get substantially more expensive once you go past 750W. How many more FPS does your 12900K and 3090 get you compared to a 12600K and a 3080, and how many of those FPS can you honestly differentiate in a blind test? Not only is the performance-per-watt horribly disproportionate, but the performance-per-
The way you phrase all of this makes you sound elitist and out-of-touch.
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#5995620 Posted on: 02/23/2022 06:49 PM
I've always overclocked as efficiently as possible
I used to not worry too much about power draw... But with prices going sky high it's become a worrying factor now when purchasing computer parts
I've always overclocked as efficiently as possible
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#5995661 Posted on: 02/23/2022 08:09 PM
You think 50% more E cores = only 10% improvement?
Right...
The E cores are restricted in how much they are used.
They are mostly never used in games, because the Power cores are faster and there are mostly enough of them for games.
They are mostly not used if a workload is not able to fill up more then the P cores.
Background tasks are mostly not enough to fill up more then a couple of E cores, so the extra ones may not get any work anyway.
It is kind of like a 5950 is not twice as fast in everything then a 5800 would be, just worse because of the limitations on work send to E-cores.
If the 13900k still has the less overclocking headroom on the ringbus when E cores are active, some would just disable them first thing anyway = 0% improvement.
You think 50% more E cores = only 10% improvement?
Right...
The E cores are restricted in how much they are used.
They are mostly never used in games, because the Power cores are faster and there are mostly enough of them for games.
They are mostly not used if a workload is not able to fill up more then the P cores.
Background tasks are mostly not enough to fill up more then a couple of E cores, so the extra ones may not get any work anyway.
It is kind of like a 5950 is not twice as fast in everything then a 5800 would be, just worse because of the limitations on work send to E-cores.
If the 13900k still has the less overclocking headroom on the ringbus when E cores are active, some would just disable them first thing anyway = 0% improvement.
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I must be missing something, why do so many people bang on about power draw? Most if not ALL waste so much electric on every day stuff and if you are into high end PC's then you expect to use more electric. Most of my house is on LED bulbs now, but in one room I would have had 8 can lights and 4 other lights so 12 x 60w just for lights!!! Who gives a sh@t if the new amazing fast CPU's and GPU's take a bit more power, it just means now days you need a bigger PSU, so what. And don't say it to save the planet coz we know that is ball if you think shaving a few watts off a PC is going to make ANY difference :p
So those that are making a fuss, it is coz you have to buy a bigger PSU?
I upgraded to a 1200 watt PSU for my new i9-12900k/RTX3090 build and high-end gaming it runs around 550 to 600 watts - big deal.
Looking forward to these new CPUs for sure and I hope the new competition with AMD continues to push the envelope!