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Raphael GPU on AMD Ryzen 7000 would get 128 RDNA2 shader cores
If the chatter is real, the GPU of the new Ryzen 7000 processors will get 128 shaders cores and is codenamed "Coral Bandfish." If so, Raphael CPUs are only fitting for uncomplicated graphics applications.
AMD plans to deliver a new CPU generation with the Ryzen 7000 processors, codenamed Raphael, by the end of the year. As revealed at Computex, the new CPUs will be the first to utilize the new AM5 socket, Zen 4 architecture, and TSMC's 5 nm fabrication. In response, AMD intends to provide significantly higher computational power and a redesigned platform that supports DDR5 RAM and PCI Express 5.0 for the first time.
There should be advances beyond the processor and platform with Ryzen 7000. Instead, AMD revealed at the fair that a GPU at default would be included in the new generation for the first time, catching up to Intel in this regard. In the successors of the current APUs, the GPU should continue to reside on a single chip alongside the CPU. The new GPU should be installed for Raphael, where typically two CPU chiplets are put on the additional IO chip.
AMD has not yet disclosed any relevant performance-related information. It is only known that the GPU is an RDNA2 and that the entire device is made using a 6 nm process. Consequently, the integrated graphics unit should utilize the codename "Coral Bandfish". With RDNA2, a unit of this type comprises two compute units, resulting in Ryzen 7000 having 128 shaders.
If so, the Raphael GPU would be much slower than the current generation of APUs: On desktops, the Ryzen 5 5600G has 448 shaders, and even on laptops, no APUs with fewer than 384 shaders are available. The IGP of Ryzen 7000 CPUs will therefore likely only be appropriate for extremely simple graphics programs and the playback of codecs supported by the hardware. On the other hand, the subsequent generation of APUs, in which AMD will most likely install much more shaders, will likely offer superior graphics performance.
AMD Ryzen 7000 Raphael Zen4 Processors Closer than expected - 03/30/2022 09:19 AM
According to a AMD leaker Greymon55 AMD's CPUs codenamed “Raphael” will be mass produced next month. AMD is expected to begin mass manufacturing of the new Ryzen processor in April or May....
Updated: AMD AM5 based Ryzen processor slated for later this year (Raphael ZEN4) - 01/04/2022 05:45 PM
First up would be a Ryzen CPU fitted with 3D V-Cache. The Ryzen 7 5800X3D will be launched in Spring 2022 and would offer to be a beast of a gaming processor. AMD mentions that later parts will use t...
Ryzen 7000 Raphael Zen4 IHS Design Render Surfaces - 05/31/2021 08:47 AM
Granted it's a long way out, but we do like the Star Trek Borg-styled heat spreader. ExecuFix has unveiled a CPU design for Raphael aka ZEN4 Ryzen processors. ...
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#6022196 Posted on: 06/02/2022 01:31 AM
At first that made a lot of sense, but after thinking about it more, it doesn't make much sense at all.
For the extra high-end systems (workstations and servers), you're either going to need a dGPU or no GPU at all. For the especially niche systems that need basic display functionalities but a lot of cores, we're not talking tens of thousands of units being produced, so it isn't that great of an expense to add a low-end dGPU.
For mobile systems, embedded systems, mini PCs, family/office PCs, and HTPCs, AMD produces APUs that would get the job done. Granted, much of those chips are BGA, but OEMs have plenty of experience with that.
As for gaming PCs, high-clocked 6 and 8 core models are the most sensible choice. AMD doesn't sell any with an iGPU, but... if it's a gaming PC then you want a dGPU anyway, so it's a non-issue.
So, what other market is there that would warrant an iGPU that AMD does not currently cater to?
Knowing AMD's track record with iGPUs, I wouldn't hold my breath for RDNA3, but I'd like to be proven wrong.
they were talking about product sold w/ ryzen 3. as there is no iGPU, GPU's were required in the systems sold. the reason i stated is exactly what i said it was exactly at the scale i'm talking about.
the #1 reason for the return was the GPU not making full contact due to shipping.
this is not some mythical tale. having an iGPU in those systems that were sold would've made this a simple issue instead of a return. projecting those sales with the new CPU's is no stretch because that's exactly where the oem CPUs go.
the need for the utility is already there and the new gen gives it.
At first that made a lot of sense, but after thinking about it more, it doesn't make much sense at all.
For the extra high-end systems (workstations and servers), you're either going to need a dGPU or no GPU at all. For the especially niche systems that need basic display functionalities but a lot of cores, we're not talking tens of thousands of units being produced, so it isn't that great of an expense to add a low-end dGPU.
For mobile systems, embedded systems, mini PCs, family/office PCs, and HTPCs, AMD produces APUs that would get the job done. Granted, much of those chips are BGA, but OEMs have plenty of experience with that.
As for gaming PCs, high-clocked 6 and 8 core models are the most sensible choice. AMD doesn't sell any with an iGPU, but... if it's a gaming PC then you want a dGPU anyway, so it's a non-issue.
So, what other market is there that would warrant an iGPU that AMD does not currently cater to?
Knowing AMD's track record with iGPUs, I wouldn't hold my breath for RDNA3, but I'd like to be proven wrong.
they were talking about product sold w/ ryzen 3. as there is no iGPU, GPU's were required in the systems sold. the reason i stated is exactly what i said it was exactly at the scale i'm talking about.
the #1 reason for the return was the GPU not making full contact due to shipping.
this is not some mythical tale. having an iGPU in those systems that were sold would've made this a simple issue instead of a return. projecting those sales with the new CPU's is no stretch because that's exactly where the oem CPUs go.
the need for the utility is already there and the new gen gives it.
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#6022198 Posted on: 06/02/2022 01:33 AM
I feel like because the iGPU is included in the i/o chiplet the worries that it increases cost is unwarrented, it'd likely be more expensive to have two seperate i/o chiplets and dividing up orders then ordering them all the same.
As to the usefulness, it's useful no matter the setup, just from a troubleshooting standpoint. There's really no time being able to troubleshoot if your graphics card is an issue that having an iGPU wouldn't be benefitial.
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I feel like because the iGPU is included in the i/o chiplet the worries that it increases cost is unwarrented, it'd likely be more expensive to have two seperate i/o chiplets and dividing up orders then ordering them all the same.
As to the usefulness, it's useful no matter the setup, just from a troubleshooting standpoint. There's really no time being able to troubleshoot if your graphics card is an issue that having an iGPU wouldn't be benefitial.
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#6022199 Posted on: 06/02/2022 01:37 AM
Its a god send for people when troubleshooting issues. If your GPU dies at least you have a back up to get up and running.
These are so small on the I/O die they are only meant to push an image to the display and run upto 4K video. They will only be able to play small indie games.
Why would all ryzen 7000 have igpus? Some of us dont need them it just taking up space in io die or worse have chiplet of its own. Put more cache instead.
Its a god send for people when troubleshooting issues. If your GPU dies at least you have a back up to get up and running.
These are so small on the I/O die they are only meant to push an image to the display and run upto 4K video. They will only be able to play small indie games.
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#6022212 Posted on: 06/02/2022 03:33 AM
*sigh* Not the CPU alone. They tend to replace the whole computer...
every single one eventually
*sigh* Not the CPU alone. They tend to replace the whole computer...
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I feel like because the iGPU is included in the i/o chiplet the worries that it increases cost is unwarrented, it'd likely be more expensive to have two seperate i/o chiplets and dividing up orders then ordering them all the same.
As to the usefulness, it's useful no matter the setup, just from a troubleshooting standpoint. There's really no time being able to troubleshoot if your graphics card is an issue that having an iGPU wouldn't be benefitial.