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Raphael GPU on AMD Ryzen 7000 would get 128 RDNA2 shader cores

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 06/01/2022 09:30 AM | source: videocardz | 29 comment(s)
Raphael GPU on AMD Ryzen 7000 would get 128 RDNA2 shader cores

If the chatter is real, the GPU of the new Ryzen 7000 processors will get 128 shaders cores and is codenamed "Coral Bandfish." If so, Raphael CPUs are only fitting for uncomplicated graphics applications.

AMD plans to deliver a new CPU generation with the Ryzen 7000 processors, codenamed Raphael, by the end of the year. As revealed at Computex, the new CPUs will be the first to utilize the new AM5 socket, Zen 4 architecture, and TSMC's 5 nm fabrication. In response, AMD intends to provide significantly higher computational power and a redesigned platform that supports DDR5 RAM and PCI Express 5.0 for the first time.

There should be advances beyond the processor and platform with Ryzen 7000. Instead, AMD revealed at the fair that a GPU at default would be included in the new generation for the first time, catching up to Intel in this regard. In the successors of the current APUs, the GPU should continue to reside on a single chip alongside the CPU. The new GPU should be installed for Raphael, where typically two CPU chiplets are put on the additional IO chip.

 

 

AMD has not yet disclosed any relevant performance-related information. It is only known that the GPU is an RDNA2 and that the entire device is made using a 6 nm process. Consequently, the integrated graphics unit should utilize the codename "Coral Bandfish". With RDNA2, a unit of this type comprises two compute units, resulting in Ryzen 7000 having 128 shaders.

If so, the Raphael GPU would be much slower than the current generation of APUs: On desktops, the Ryzen 5 5600G has 448 shaders, and even on laptops, no APUs with fewer than 384 shaders are available. The IGP of Ryzen 7000 CPUs will therefore likely only be appropriate for extremely simple graphics programs and the playback of codecs supported by the hardware. On the other hand, the subsequent generation of APUs, in which AMD will most likely install much more shaders, will likely offer superior graphics performance.



Raphael GPU on AMD Ryzen 7000 would get 128 RDNA2 shader cores




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tunejunky
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#6022087 Posted on: 06/01/2022 05:05 PM
the lede was buried. the news is the 6nm i/o, which takes up considerably less space and uses far less power. the iGPU is just there for what James Sneed said - an option for troubleshooting.

at first i was shocked as this flew very much under the (local) radar, but then i remembered CES where the OEM's were complaining that (system) returns were up for Ryzen and i asked why (as i used to work for an OEM) and the #1 reason was the gpu (from shipping). as secure as i thought the locking pcie tab is, apparently they were taking hits as a lot of companies have changed packaging (Dell, HP, Asus, Acer, etc..) to be more "green".
so the inclusion of an iGPU would've saved these companies hundreds of thousands (time, material, brand reputation, shipping back and forth) and a consumer could've easily troubleshot the issue.

also the Ryzen 6000 (APU) was recently released (and only now getting into mobile) with a fully functional (1080p) gaming iGPU.

the Ryzen 8000(?) APU using ddr 5 will be coming out next year and rumors have it that it's RDNA 3 and 1440p capable. let's just hope ddr 5 is cheaper then.

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#6022098 Posted on: 06/01/2022 05:41 PM
at first i was shocked as this flew very much under the (local) radar, but then i remembered CES where the OEM's were complaining that (system) returns were up for Ryzen and i asked why (as i used to work for an OEM) and the #1 reason was the gpu (from shipping). as secure as i thought the locking pcie tab is, apparently they were taking hits as a lot of companies have changed packaging (Dell, HP, Asus, Acer, etc..) to be more "green".
so the inclusion of an iGPU would've saved these companies hundreds of thousands (time, material, brand reputation, shipping back and forth) and a consumer could've easily troubleshot the issue.
At first that made a lot of sense, but after thinking about it more, it doesn't make much sense at all.
For the extra high-end systems (workstations and servers), you're either going to need a dGPU or no GPU at all. For the especially niche systems that need basic display functionalities but a lot of cores, we're not talking tens of thousands of units being produced, so it isn't that great of an expense to add a low-end dGPU.
For mobile systems, embedded systems, mini PCs, family/office PCs, and HTPCs, AMD produces APUs that would get the job done. Granted, much of those chips are BGA, but OEMs have plenty of experience with that.
As for gaming PCs, high-clocked 6 and 8 core models are the most sensible choice. AMD doesn't sell any with an iGPU, but... if it's a gaming PC then you want a dGPU anyway, so it's a non-issue.

So, what other market is there that would warrant an iGPU that AMD does not currently cater to?
the Ryzen 8000(?) APU using ddr 5 will be coming out next year and rumors have it that it's RDNA 3 and 1440p capable. let's just hope ddr 5 is cheaper then.
Knowing AMD's track record with iGPUs, I wouldn't hold my breath for RDNA3, but I'd like to be proven wrong.

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#6022115 Posted on: 06/01/2022 06:29 PM
It's going to be like 1/4" of area in the IO die. Its freaking tiny so its not really a trade off for cache. The server guys want this bad as you don't need to add in a card to get a console up on the machine. Also those of us as home have a nice troubleshooting option if the graphics card is on the blink. This is a great idea. If you want cache just wait for the 3D stacked models that will land early 2023.

Honestly I like it since it is so underpowered and so small on the I/o die ... If only for the extra display port and HDMI that would not be useless connectors other than that I do not care :p

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#6022159 Posted on: 06/01/2022 09:20 PM
+1 for the iGPU.
When I need to take my GPU out for cleaning, testing another one, etc.. it's not that easy anymore with this 5900X, with my previous Intel system I could switch to iGPU for a few hours.

Now I run this Intel behind my 4K TV as my HTPC, with the iGPU, 4k@60fps Youtube, Netflix, Desktop. Without that iGPU I would need a loud, dusty, bulky, noisy and-not-for-free dGPU.
The 8700k makes a damn good HTPC, thanks to it's iGPU. I wish my 5900X had the same "option".

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#6022160 Posted on: 06/01/2022 09:22 PM
At first that made a lot of sense, but after thinking about it more, it doesn't make much sense at all.
For the extra high-end systems (workstations and servers), you're either going to need a dGPU or no GPU at all. For the especially niche systems that need basic display functionalities but a lot of cores, we're not talking tens of thousands of units being produced, so it isn't that great of an expense to add a low-end dGPU.
For mobile systems, embedded systems, mini PCs, family/office PCs, and HTPCs, AMD produces APUs that would get the job done. Granted, much of those chips are BGA, but OEMs have plenty of experience with that.
As for gaming PCs, high-clocked 6 and 8 core models are the most sensible choice. AMD doesn't sell any with an iGPU, but... if it's a gaming PC then you want a dGPU anyway, so it's a non-issue.

So, what other market is there that would warrant an iGPU that AMD does not currently cater to?

Knowing AMD's track record with iGPUs, I wouldn't hold my breath for RDNA3, but I'd like to be proven wrong.
think about office cpus

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