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Radeon RX Vega 64 Graphics cards out of stock or a 100 bucks more expensive
There's a number of things going on surrounding the Radeon RX Vega 56 and 64 release. First off, there is this rumor that prices have been jacked up, as the normal launch prices of 399 and 499 are no longer in effect, there seems to be a 100 USD difference.
The MSR prices for the standalone Vega 56 and 64 Black (as we reviewed them) are 399 and 499 USD repectively, as AMD let the media know these prices. Both cards can be spotted and advertised (if you can find them at all) for 499 and 599 with the 56 being a preorder and the physically 64 available. However that 100 bucks extra, here's the thing these would be the bundled versions with Prey and the to be released Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus. So, if the cards are physical available then the question rised, was the stock for non-bundled Vega kept low deliberately ?
A number if things could have happened if you think about that thesis. Etailers might have had low volume available, stock and have driven up prices to make a quick extra buck? AMD also might have figured the same thing, we do not know really. It also can be a misjudgment, AMD thinking that people would be more interested in the game bundled versions.
If we take the Radeon RX Vega 64 and look at pricing with VAT we are ending at roughly ~650 Euros right now. We checked these prices at Geizhalz.eu
Now here is the thing, these cards do not seem to be the bundled ones. When we move to the UK, then we see that at Overclock3rs the first cards had normal prices in a bit of a pre-order, however after minutes of the launch prices got jacked upo by another 100 bucks, here again only the more expensive bundle version is available.
Currently, where I reside in the Benelux, cards are simply not even available. All in all we are rather confused about this launch, and the prices are a bit of a mess with all these confusing bundles and low availability of the standalone cards. Currently prices are way higher compared to the GeForce GTX 1070 and 1080.
Long story short, if you are in the market for a Vega 64, you'll be spending at least a 100 USD/EURO more opposed to the introductory prices. What do you guys think, let us know in the thread below.
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#5463482 Posted on: 08/16/2017 07:00 AM
Winter is coming, people need a heater in their home.
Winter is coming, people need a heater in their home.
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#5463487 Posted on: 08/16/2017 07:10 AM
over here in the UK I would not want to pay more than £400. If gaming I would go for the 1070 or the 1080 but even that 1080 is over priced for what it offers. Miners may pay the top end prices for Vega.
over here in the UK I would not want to pay more than £400. If gaming I would go for the 1070 or the 1080 but even that 1080 is over priced for what it offers. Miners may pay the top end prices for Vega.
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#5463491 Posted on: 08/16/2017 07:18 AM
Scan.co.UK had the same model listed twice with the cheaper marked as introductory offer or similar, that version is now no longer listed and it was 100 cheaper
Scan.co.UK had the same model listed twice with the cheaper marked as introductory offer or similar, that version is now no longer listed and it was 100 cheaper
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#5463497 Posted on: 08/16/2017 07:31 AM
Miners only probably, no use buying this for gaming when the green team clearly has the winning cards.
Miners only probably, no use buying this for gaming when the green team clearly has the winning cards.
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#5463499 Posted on: 08/16/2017 07:36 AM
Well just as was expected...Not enough cards available and expensive as f**k. :-(
Well just as was expected...Not enough cards available and expensive as f**k. :-(
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#5463500 Posted on: 08/16/2017 07:46 AM
Too soon.
Winter is coming, people need a heater in their home.
Too soon.
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#5463504 Posted on: 08/16/2017 07:54 AM
Winter has already come. I saw in TV.
Back to topic. With so high prices only miners will buy those cards.
Too soon.
Winter has already come. I saw in TV.
Back to topic. With so high prices only miners will buy those cards.
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#5463507 Posted on: 08/16/2017 07:59 AM
I have a feeling stores in Finland never received a single Vega card from the first patch to begin with. So, the starting price point would be that 100+ for us, with some usual premium added to it as Finland is one of the most expensive countries in the world. It's a sad fact AMD has pretty much abandoned Finland as a market, so nothing surprises me.
I pity people with freesync screens who were waiting for these, should this pricing stick. Still, I can't say I'd be hugely surprised as I did wonder just how small a profit margin AMD has, considering the expensive HBM2 and all. Not worth it for the customers, though, since two stacks of HBM2 offers hardly any more bandwidth than Nvidia's cheaper solutions.
I have a feeling stores in Finland never received a single Vega card from the first patch to begin with. So, the starting price point would be that 100+ for us, with some usual premium added to it as Finland is one of the most expensive countries in the world. It's a sad fact AMD has pretty much abandoned Finland as a market, so nothing surprises me.
I pity people with freesync screens who were waiting for these, should this pricing stick. Still, I can't say I'd be hugely surprised as I did wonder just how small a profit margin AMD has, considering the expensive HBM2 and all. Not worth it for the customers, though, since two stacks of HBM2 offers hardly any more bandwidth than Nvidia's cheaper solutions.
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#5463508 Posted on: 08/16/2017 08:00 AM
Winter has already come. I saw in TV.
Back to topic. With so high prices only miners will buy those cards.
Spoilers?
Miners won't buy what not profitable. People with little knowledge or those who support AMD will buy it now. Once those people bought it, there will be stagnation in sales, until prices drops to reasonable numbers.
Winter has already come. I saw in TV.
Back to topic. With so high prices only miners will buy those cards.
Spoilers?
Miners won't buy what not profitable. People with little knowledge or those who support AMD will buy it now. Once those people bought it, there will be stagnation in sales, until prices drops to reasonable numbers.
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#5463512 Posted on: 08/16/2017 08:16 AM
I don't really understand how a card like that can be out of stock that fast... I read that, even for miners, it was not that great.
BTW, i've got mine for 507€ including tax, and the promo code is still available as i'm writing (promo at LDLC, french retailler, with promo code VEGA)
I don't really understand how a card like that can be out of stock that fast... I read that, even for miners, it was not that great.
BTW, i've got mine for 507€ including tax, and the promo code is still available as i'm writing (promo at LDLC, french retailler, with promo code VEGA)
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#5463517 Posted on: 08/16/2017 08:30 AM
I don't really understand how a card like that can be out of stock that fast... I read that, even for miners, it was not that great.
BTW, i've got mine for 507€ including tax, and the promo code is still available as i'm writing (promo at LDLC, french retailler, with promo code VEGA)
Commercial tactics. They want to shoot themselves in a foot again. Seems that they haven't learned squat...
I don't really understand how a card like that can be out of stock that fast... I read that, even for miners, it was not that great.
BTW, i've got mine for 507€ including tax, and the promo code is still available as i'm writing (promo at LDLC, french retailler, with promo code VEGA)
Commercial tactics. They want to shoot themselves in a foot again. Seems that they haven't learned squat...
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#5463525 Posted on: 08/16/2017 08:48 AM
I have a feeling stores in Finland never received a single Vega card from the first patch to begin with. So, the starting price point would be that 100+ for us, with some usual premium added to it as Finland is one of the most expensive countries in the world. It's a sad fact AMD has pretty much abandoned Finland as a market, so nothing surprises me.
I pity people with freesync screens who were waiting for these, should this pricing stick. Still, I can't say I'd be hugely surprised as I did wonder just how small a profit margin AMD has, considering the expensive HBM2 and all. Not worth it for the customers, though, since two stacks of HBM2 offers hardly any more bandwidth than Nvidia's cheaper solutions.
It doesn't offer any bandwidth advantage what so ever in textures at least. Has lower latency tho....
I have a feeling stores in Finland never received a single Vega card from the first patch to begin with. So, the starting price point would be that 100+ for us, with some usual premium added to it as Finland is one of the most expensive countries in the world. It's a sad fact AMD has pretty much abandoned Finland as a market, so nothing surprises me.
I pity people with freesync screens who were waiting for these, should this pricing stick. Still, I can't say I'd be hugely surprised as I did wonder just how small a profit margin AMD has, considering the expensive HBM2 and all. Not worth it for the customers, though, since two stacks of HBM2 offers hardly any more bandwidth than Nvidia's cheaper solutions.
It doesn't offer any bandwidth advantage what so ever in textures at least. Has lower latency tho....
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#5463526 Posted on: 08/16/2017 08:49 AM
NCIX Canada has them for Pre-order @ 789.98
Here in Canada the Vega 64 is selling for $840!! That's on newegg.. And every other store I checked out.. I sold my 2 RX 480s a week ago in hopes to buy one of these on release, but not at this price!! I just bought a gtx1080 on newegg for $605..lol..I love AMD, but that pissed me off.. $840..haha..
NCIX Canada has them for Pre-order @ 789.98
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#5463527 Posted on: 08/16/2017 08:54 AM
I think the correct terms are bait and switch, as well as false advertising.
The fact that with Vega AMD driver team has delivered a barely working product, yet they found the time to improve GPU mining, while the company is publicly shunning away from it
("we are powerless to stop miners from depleting our supplies", "mining is not catalyst for us"),
and instead singing praises to Gaming... Now this bait and switch...
All this coupled with the Enhanced Sync douche bagging in which AMD artificially limits it to Polaris and Vega, and then does some stewpid poll "Which feature would you like enabled next?" seals it for me.
Keep in mind all this is coming from the company who portrays itself as the People's Company, Open Standards, Red Revolution and whatnot. Bunch of hooey is what it is.
I dunno if you are joking, but during my mining phase I have indeed used my 290 as a space heater during winter.
My room is 5m x 6m x 2.7m and 290 lights it up in a matter of minutes.
Latest Wattman allowed me to use -100mV, and with AC4 keeping the card bellow 65°C, max sustained power consumption is now easily bellow 200W.
Now the walls and windows of my room are managing to conduct the heat away, there is no heat buildup, and the card is a whole another beast. It's dead silent inside my Fractal R5 case, and finally fully enjoyable.
That's why 300W+ card with the performance of 180W card is a no go for me
I think the correct terms are bait and switch, as well as false advertising.
The fact that with Vega AMD driver team has delivered a barely working product, yet they found the time to improve GPU mining, while the company is publicly shunning away from it
("we are powerless to stop miners from depleting our supplies", "mining is not catalyst for us"),
and instead singing praises to Gaming... Now this bait and switch...
All this coupled with the Enhanced Sync douche bagging in which AMD artificially limits it to Polaris and Vega, and then does some stewpid poll "Which feature would you like enabled next?" seals it for me.
Keep in mind all this is coming from the company who portrays itself as the People's Company, Open Standards, Red Revolution and whatnot. Bunch of hooey is what it is.
Winter is coming, people need a heater in their home.
I dunno if you are joking, but during my mining phase I have indeed used my 290 as a space heater during winter.
My room is 5m x 6m x 2.7m and 290 lights it up in a matter of minutes.
Latest Wattman allowed me to use -100mV, and with AC4 keeping the card bellow 65°C, max sustained power consumption is now easily bellow 200W.
Now the walls and windows of my room are managing to conduct the heat away, there is no heat buildup, and the card is a whole another beast. It's dead silent inside my Fractal R5 case, and finally fully enjoyable.
That's why 300W+ card with the performance of 180W card is a no go for me
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The bundles are too expensive. The cards have no future if they don't sell for MSRP, as the alternatives are far more enticing at Vega's increased price point.
Also, I'm a bit perplexed by the notion of 'two free games', when those two 'free games' add a price premium of 50 bucks each.
Even if anyone wanted those titles to begin with, chances are they could be picked up cheaper elsewhere, making the bundle even worse.
Finally, I'm not too concerned as of yet since we're talking reference. No one should buy a reference card to begin with - well, more often than not anyway.
It'll be up to the AIBs. If AIBs will use the original MSRP as baseline (mining inflation disregarded) the issue is of temporary nature and perhaps a non issue. Should AIBs however us the bundle price as MSRP to build upon, well, then Vega is DOA across the board.